7 New Civs You'd Like to See in Civ7

[Naokaukodem]

Dawg, how many times do i have to tell you that at least half the people here wouldn’t buy a Civilization series game if it didn’t have civs and/or leaders

Well I hardly see a Civ without civs, but I can imagine one without leaders as you pointed out.

 

[luca 83]

Dawg, how many times do i have to tell you that at least half the people here wouldn’t buy a Civilization series game if it didn’t have civs and/or leaders

A civilization and a historical product , a set of events, wars , revolutions, invasions, events, great , and small, leaders are a product of an event, Augustus, without, what would Caesar's murderer have done? Mine and your logic? And about the game mechanics that need to be discussed

 

[Caesar of Bread]

A civilization and a historical product , a set of events, wars , revolutions, invasions, events, great , and small, leaders are a product of an event, Augustus, without, what would Caesar's murderer have done? Mine and your logic? And about the game mechanics that need to be discussed

what you mean by that is not Civilization. It wouldn’t be in 1991, and it definitely wouldn’t be today.

 

[leif erikson]

asking for random civilisations is absurd because civilisations as well as leaders are products of history. instead, why not talk to me about the social dynamics that shape governments and peoples? I have a topic about this!

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[jsciv69]

Bit modern but neat

Maybe. But I think an Italian Civ can incorporate much of Italian culture from the from the days of the Renaissance Italian city-states. Including Sicily. The art, the music, the food . Of course obvious conflict with Rome in the game. Maybe they can have different capitals with both in the same game. Besides the game has Spanish, English, French, and German. It needs Italian to complete the set. I think Ireland could be considered if the Celts are not brought back. And I think Mexican Culture has a rich enough history to be included finally.

 

[Caesar of Bread]

Maybe. But I think an Italian Civ can incorporate much of Italian culture from the from the days of the Renaissance Italian city-states. Including Sicily. The art, the music, the food . Of course obvious conflict with Rome in the game. Maybe they can have different capitals with both in the same game. Besides the game has English, French, and German. It needs Italian to complete the set. I think Ireland could be considered if the Celts are not brought back. And I think Mexican Culture has a rich enough history to be included finally.

I see where you’re going (personally I’m not a fan of too many modern civs.) and I like it, especially Italy

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Maybe. But I think an Italian Civ can incorporate much of Italian culture from the from the days of the Renaissance Italian city-states. Including Sicily. The art, the music, the food . Of course obvious conflict with Rome in the game. Maybe they can have different capitals with both in the same game. Besides the game has Spanish, English, French, and German. It needs Italian to complete the set. I think Ireland could be considered if the Celts are not brought back. And I think Mexican Culture has a rich enough history to be included finally.

I don't think the problem is with Italy or Ireland being too modern, considering you also listed Argentina, Venezuela and Lebanon.

 

[jsciv69]

I don't think the problem is with Italy or Ireland being too modern, considering you also listed Argentina, Venezuela and Lebanon.

I understand. An Irish Civ(Happy St Patrick's Day) can have some infusion from Celtic culture. Unless the franchise wants to bring back the Celts as a Civ. Mexico I understand is borderline between modern and classic. But with enough cultural heritage to be considered for a Base game Civ. And I've seen a few posts would favor a Mexican Civ with Benito Juarez as a most popular choice for Leader. An Italian Civ I think is overdue. I think a leader from the Renaissance period might just work.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I understand. An Irish Civ(Happy St Patrick's Day) can have some infusion from Celtic culture. Unless the franchise wants to bring back the Celts as a Civ.

I agree. I don't picture the Celts coming back, but a group of Celtic people like Gaul, Ireland etc. every game.

Mexico I understand is borderline between modern and classic. But with enough cultural heritage to be considered for a Base game Civ.

I don't have a problem with a few modern civs. If I had to pick one it would be Argentina.

An Italian Civ I think is overdue. I think a leader from the Renaissance period might just work.

Italy is my most wanted new civ, so I don't disagree there.

 

[BuchiTaton]

CIV7s "Green, White and Red" pack

* Italy​

* Mexico​

* Ireland​

 

[jsciv69]

Italy is my most wanted new civ, so I don't disagree there.

I did post and Italian Thread a few years back. perhaps time for a revised post should be coming

 

[Patine]

CIV7s "Green, White and Red" pack

* Italy​

* Mexico​

* Ireland​

Ireland's flag is, "green, white, and RED?"

 

[Patine]

I don't have a problem with a few modern civs. If I had to pick one it would be Argentina.

Argentina is highly overrated as a CIV, and the leader that everyone tends to gravitate towards for a reason I find inexplicable kills the deal even further.

 

[jsciv69]

Argentina is highly overrated as a CIV, and the leader that everyone tends to gravitate towards for a reason I find inexplicable kills the deal even further.

I don't Argentina in a base game. And yes there is a bit of a curious fascination there. Just not sure how to develop that just yet.

 

[pineappledan]

I’ve been waiting a long time now to have someone explain the fascination with Argentina as a civ to me. Their post colonial history consists of one of the most determined and explicit acts of genocide in the new world, followed by gross incompetence, fascism, more corruption, more mismanagement, and now most recently a bizarre libertarian self-immolation.

Is the idea that, as the omnipotent hand of empire, you would be able to guide Argentina through a different path, or is it just the fascism?

 

[pokiehl]

I've been waiting for a long time now to have someone explain why the same 2-3 people here get so upset about people posting their wishlist civs in threads that...wait for it...ask for peoples' wishlists. The tone is always combative, dismissive, and arrogant.

I don't recall others attacking those same people for their wishlists. It's not conducive to discussion to respond to someone's opinion and say "Wrong. Overrated. Bad idea." If that's your default approach to a disagreement, you should work on your communication skills.

Maybe people who want Argentina in the game are Argentinian and want to feel included? There are plenty of possible reasons. And a people is more than their government.

Aside from the glorification of specific abhorrent people in history, there are few wrong answers for who to include in Civ as a faction.

 

[BuchiTaton]

I’ve been waiting a long time now to have someone explain the fascination with Argentina as a civ to me. Their post colonial history consists of one of the most determined and explicit acts of genocide in the new world, followed by gross incompetence, fascism, more corruption, more mismanagement, and now most recently a bizarre libertarian self-immolation.

Is the idea that, as the omnipotent hand of empire, you would be able to guide Argentina through a different path, or is it just the fascism?

Argentina make sense in multiple levels:
- Like others "regional representatives" seems likely to have a Hispanic-colonial fixed slot rotating between nations from the same region, so CIV6's Colombia could be replaced by Argentina.
- The second SA native civ slot is also relevant since a nice change would be Mapuche to Muisca, giving us a nice swap between North and South SA.
- The liberation of whole SA was led by Simón Bolívar and José de San Martín, each one starting in oposite extremes of the continent making both equivalents as whole hispanic-SA heroes.
- Many design elements of Colombia have an equivalent in Argentina like Llanero to Gaucho and Hacienda to Estancia.
- A cultural focus for Argentina fit well considering the impact its literature, cinema and music have, not only the Tango at global level but in LA as a whole, for example most of the best hispanic Rock bands are from Argentina.
- Evita Perón is an actual figure in the polupar imaginary something that is supposed to be a strong element for CIV, specially trying to include female leaders. Of course she is also quite a polemic character, still she is not a "taboo" like others figures.
- Argentina is the most enthusiastic market for historical-based games in LatinAmerica.

 

[pineappledan]

So basically you can use like a Gran Colombia, except they still exist? Basket case status notwithstanding? Thanks, that makes more sense.

- Argentina is the most enthusiastic market for historical-based games in LatinAmerica

Where do you find user stats by country? You would need 4x the number of Argentinian civ players per capita to justify unseating Brazil, though I guess if the comparison is with Colombia then they’re roughly equivalent.

 

[BackseatTyrant]

I have to admit, Argentina isn't on my shortlist, but it would be nice to see a civ that could fill out the Patagonia tip of South America in a TSL map

 

[BuchiTaton]

So basically you can use like a Gran Colombia, except they still exist? Basket case status notwithstanding? Thanks, that makes more sense.

Where do you find user stats by country? You would need 4x the number of Argentinian civ players per capita to justify unseating Brazil, though I guess if the comparison is with Colombia then they’re roughly equivalent.

Well that is why I used the word enthusiastic. I see numbers time to time but take into account that I am talking from over 20 years in the LA/Hispanic gamer community. Now Brazil is its own slot for a reason, so there is no competition between them anyway. If any the only market that is close to Argentina for this kind of games is Mexico, were we already have Aztec and Maya (still Mexico is a great option to be their own civ).
You can be sure that if we talk for example Fighting games Mexico is the way to go (like Brazil also huge fans of SNK games in particular).