A few points on Iraq.

[Zardnaar]

I normally try and avoid some of the more interesting Bush/Iraq posts here at CFC. Most of its been repeated so often here and we all know how certain posters will respond. However I was talking the other day to someone and these points came up.

1. Bush and co blame faulty intelligence about WMD and the Iraqi threat. If memory serves me right before the war alot of the intelligence people were saying there was no definate proof of WMD in Iraq. The president and co seemed to pick an view and bent the intelligence they did have to support it. From what I could see there was a failure to analyse it propery.

2. Other countries not helping out in Iraq. To be fair most of the world told the USA in advance not to invade Iraq. They did anyway and then complain about a lack of help/peacekeepers? Beats me

3. Did Iraq surrender? I missed this one on TV. The terrorists/insurgents/freedom fighter/whatever have been resisting the US army since the invasion was launched. However I don't think Iraq actually surrendered. Technically I think theres still a state of war going on. Not to sure as I'm not 100% sure America actually decleared war or not. If someone invades your country though its assumed you're at war.

I kept shocking people over here with my views on the Iraq war. Most people were blithering on about America were wrong etc etc. When asked why I "supported" the war on Iraq I usually responded " Because America has nukes and you don't". We don't live in a perfect world and at the end of the day might makes right. I even put an American flag on my wall in the lounge- more to annoy the left wing student visitors to our flat than out of any pro american feeling. Still I believe the whole war situation could have been handled alot better.

 

[Plotinus]

I think that technically the war must have ended because the government of Iraq that existed before the war was deposed by the war, and a new government now exists which is not at war with the Americans (it hardly could be given that the Americans put it there).

 

[Jawz II]

no government can be considered legitimt if it is not chosen by the people(saddams wasnt either but obviously many iraqis would rather have that than a puppet gov chosen by america,this according to polls done in iraq)

 

[Tomoyo]

no government can be considered legitimt if it is not chosen by the people(saddams wasnt either but obviously many iraqis would rather have that than a puppet gov chosen by america,this according to polls done in iraq)

Doesn't that make it chosen by the people?

 

[Capulet]

You're making points that most intelligent people made in March 2003.

Quite ironic how our intelligence bureaus are run by un-intelligent people.

 

[Jawz II]

one thing i knew for sure back then before the war and was that there was no WMD, I remember one funny thing with a representive of the EU after he saw the manufactured "evidence" and said the EU wont have any part in a war on iraq

when he walked out one us reporter asked him what would it take,what kind of of evidence would be needed to convince him

-EU guy: are you serious?
-reporter: yeah
-EU guy: convincing ones

i knew it, many people knew it,americans didnt,beats me why they didnt

i told people saddam couldve stripped naked and done the macarena if the us wanted him too,wouldntve made no diffrence,hans blix came got cooperation from iraqis, looked around and said no WMD

yet they got invaded

while being invaded they didnt use their alledged WMD on an INVADING ARMY!!
i mean is there better proof than that?

if your not gonna use the stuff for defending your borders what are you saving it for?

its not dom perignon were talking about

 

[cgannon64]

i knew it, many people knew it,americans didnt,beats me why they didnt

Its not that we didn't, what we thought didn't matter. Its that 77% of the Senate didn't. Or knew and didn't care.