A More Perfect Union
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The Communist Party of America has unanimously selected President Ceskari to run for his second term as President of America. in an interim communique the Party states that from all power factions in existence, only the Communist Party has done anything to advance the Nation in its course for the Manifest Destiny, and by Founding New York, the size of the empire has effectively doubled. Moreover, we have gained access to the Sea, and this paves our way to reach the Shining Sea, wherever it may lie.
With these facts unambiguously stated, we regret that within the mandate of President, there was the opportunity to only put forward one executive order. Strategically, for the Party goals, it would have benefited President Ceskari to retain his seat in the single-city State, we chose the route of expansion for the greater good of the People. with this achievement in mind, we urge the Electoral College voting to go for the direction to retain President Ceskari in office.
The party agenda is to get Tradition as the first Policy, and to build our military power by gunpowder in barracked cities.
With these facts unambiguously stated, we regret that within the mandate of President, there was the opportunity to only put forward one executive order. Strategically, for the Party goals, it would have benefited President Ceskari to retain his seat in the single-city State, we chose the route of expansion for the greater good of the People. with this achievement in mind, we urge the Electoral College voting to go for the direction to retain President Ceskari in office.
The party agenda is to get Tradition as the first Policy, and to build our military power by gunpowder in barracked cities.
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
President:
arya126 (AmFist- Destiny Coalition)
Ceskari (Communist Party)
Representative of Washington:
Jehoshua (America First Party- Destiny Coalition)
TaintedTamt (Communist Party)
Senator of New York:
Steel Knight (Expansionist Party- Pending Destiny Coalition)
Representative of New York:
chgrogers (Gentlemen's Party- Destiny Coalition)
arya126 (AmFist- Destiny Coalition)
Ceskari (Communist Party)
Representative of Washington:
Jehoshua (America First Party- Destiny Coalition)
TaintedTamt (Communist Party)
Senator of New York:
Steel Knight (Expansionist Party- Pending Destiny Coalition)
Representative of New York:
chgrogers (Gentlemen's Party- Destiny Coalition)
I can tell that not everyone is fully grokking the way parties and primaries and elections will work, which is OK because its early in the game and sometimes you need to learn by doing.
But in the interest of . Um . Something (I'm not going to call it fairness) I'm going to attempt to clarify at the risk of simply confusing everyone further.
If my previous post was unclear, our current laws do not allow for the formation of officially recognized coalitions between parties.
Parties can and probably even should be negotiating with each other to promote their candidates and bills.
You are certainly welcome to make an agreement with other players and you may call it a coalition or anything else you wish, but it is purely a player recognized organization.
Under our current lawas, your coalition, co-party, alliance, league, whatever you wish to call it, is invisible to Chief Justice Yahzuk and will not get you Major party status no matter how many players/parties commit to it.
Under our current laws, to reach major party status, a party must have 5 or more members, which would mean some people will have to change parties because you can only belong to one party at a time.
I thought it was in the rules, but in case its missing/unclear:
This could be a very small group of eligible primary voters..
The winner of the primary election for Major Party X candidate for Senator of Washington would then run in the general election against the winners of all other primaries for candidates for Senator of Washington.
Everyone living in Washington then gets to vote in the general election.
Therefore suppose an upcoming election had 2 Major Party X candidates, 1 Major Party Y candidate and 5 candidates from various minor parties.
Major Party X holds a primary in which only Major Party X members may vote between the 2 Major Party X candidates.
The Major Party Y candidate automatically wins the Major Party Y primary because he's the only candidate.
The combined minor parties hold a primary in which only minor party members may vote for 1 of the 5 minor party candidates.
Then a general election is held in which everyone in the city (all cities for President) gets to vote between the Major Party X winner, the Major Party Y candidate, and the winning minor Party candidate.
Clear as mud? Good.
But in the interest of . Um . Something (I'm not going to call it fairness) I'm going to attempt to clarify at the risk of simply confusing everyone further.
If my previous post was unclear, our current laws do not allow for the formation of officially recognized coalitions between parties.
Parties can and probably even should be negotiating with each other to promote their candidates and bills.
You are certainly welcome to make an agreement with other players and you may call it a coalition or anything else you wish, but it is purely a player recognized organization.
Under our current lawas, your coalition, co-party, alliance, league, whatever you wish to call it, is invisible to Chief Justice Yahzuk and will not get you Major party status no matter how many players/parties commit to it.
Under our current laws, to reach major party status, a party must have 5 or more members, which would mean some people will have to change parties because you can only belong to one party at a time.
I thought it was in the rules, but in case its missing/unclear:
- You may only vote for Senators or Representatives in your city.
- You may only run for Senator or Representative in your city.
- You may only vote in your party's primary elections (where all minor/no party players are grouped together).
This could be a very small group of eligible primary voters..
The winner of the primary election for Major Party X candidate for Senator of Washington would then run in the general election against the winners of all other primaries for candidates for Senator of Washington.
Everyone living in Washington then gets to vote in the general election.
Therefore suppose an upcoming election had 2 Major Party X candidates, 1 Major Party Y candidate and 5 candidates from various minor parties.
Major Party X holds a primary in which only Major Party X members may vote between the 2 Major Party X candidates.
The Major Party Y candidate automatically wins the Major Party Y primary because he's the only candidate.
The combined minor parties hold a primary in which only minor party members may vote for 1 of the 5 minor party candidates.
Then a general election is held in which everyone in the city (all cities for President) gets to vote between the Major Party X winner, the Major Party Y candidate, and the winning minor Party candidate.
Clear as mud? Good.
TaintedTamt
Chieftain
Ok that clears it up for me. 
arya126
Squad Leader
But since we have no recognized major parties as of yet, then at the moment it is simplified to simply voting in the minor party primaries for all candidates which will decide the election overall. The question I have on this, is in party primaries, can we still only vote for primaries in our city, or can you vote in primaries, as long as they are primaries of YOUR party, in all controlled cities?
Also, if we capture a city in game during a war, will elections be held right away, or will a governor general or something like that position be appointed by the president (whether by executive order or by free action per game rules)?
Using laws can we adjust game rules? Can we extend/shorten term lengths, or institute a governor office or abolish the senate? Can a presidential EO abolish a house of congress, or perhaps temporarily suspend it for x number of turns/sessions?
If a presidents veto is overruled, can the president use an EO to continue to veto that law, at risk of impeachment?
Also, if we capture a city in game during a war, will elections be held right away, or will a governor general or something like that position be appointed by the president (whether by executive order or by free action per game rules)?
Using laws can we adjust game rules? Can we extend/shorten term lengths, or institute a governor office or abolish the senate? Can a presidential EO abolish a house of congress, or perhaps temporarily suspend it for x number of turns/sessions?
If a presidents veto is overruled, can the president use an EO to continue to veto that law, at risk of impeachment?
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
My interpretations and guesses:
Also, we need a list of who lives where.
I would guess that primaries are run by the parties, not the government, so I think that it would be up to the party to decide.
Is there a rule on this? If not, I see a future action by Congress...
I guess it would be possible (there's nothing that says you can't), but I would say it would be very unwise to even suspend Congress.
Basically the same answer as to the last one.
Also, we need a list of who lives where.
All laws and executive orders are reviewed by the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court has the power to throw out any laws/EOs deemed "bad for the game."
Anything that is simply not defined in the opening post with the rules is wide open for laws to be written defining how to handle it.
Anything that is defined in the game rules is going to be far more difficult to change.
I'm not saying the Supreme Court will never accept changes to the game rules, only that the Court is highly prejudiced against them.
The Supreme Court has the power to throw out any laws/EOs deemed "bad for the game."
Anything that is simply not defined in the opening post with the rules is wide open for laws to be written defining how to handle it.
Anything that is defined in the game rules is going to be far more difficult to change.
I'm not saying the Supreme Court will never accept changes to the game rules, only that the Court is highly prejudiced against them.
Parties are an area of the rules that I am most open to possible changes.
Right now, I would say party primary elections are run by the government because Yahzuk has to announce the election and collect the voting results. If Yahzuk has to do something, its run by the govt.
If you want something to be run by parties themselves, laws have to be put in place authorizing people who are not Yahzuk to do it for their party.
Right now, I would say party primary elections are run by the government because Yahzuk has to announce the election and collect the voting results. If Yahzuk has to do something, its run by the govt.
If you want something to be run by parties themselves, laws have to be put in place authorizing people who are not Yahzuk to do it for their party.
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
Party Rosters:
Major Parties:
America First Party (5 Members)- DefoesRightBoot, Jehoshua, Rudragun, Spicerman, and tss77
Minor Parties:
Communist Party (3 Members)- Ceskari, ShadowNX, and Tainted Tamt
American Sporting Gentlemen's Party (2 Members)- chgrogers and filli_noctus
America's Fist Party (2 Members)- Sparthage and arya126
Horned Owl Party (1 Member)- Gigagar
Rattlesnake Party (1 Member)- Omega124
Expansionist Party (1 Member)- Steel Knight
MOR Party (1 Member)- Tambien
No Party:
GreyWithAnE, LucienX, and Triskelli
Am I missing anyone? Did I mess up with anyone?
Major Parties:
America First Party (5 Members)- DefoesRightBoot, Jehoshua, Rudragun, Spicerman, and tss77
Minor Parties:
Communist Party (3 Members)- Ceskari, ShadowNX, and Tainted Tamt
American Sporting Gentlemen's Party (2 Members)- chgrogers and filli_noctus
America's Fist Party (2 Members)- Sparthage and arya126
Horned Owl Party (1 Member)- Gigagar
Rattlesnake Party (1 Member)- Omega124
Expansionist Party (1 Member)- Steel Knight
MOR Party (1 Member)- Tambien
No Party:
GreyWithAnE, LucienX, and Triskelli
Am I missing anyone? Did I mess up with anyone?
Why does the yahzuk have to announce the election and collect the results? I set up a Social Group for the "Alliance of Parties" since yahzuk won't adknowledge a Coalition, couldn't it be done there?
Jehoshua
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major party for the win 
As to coalitions, It doesn't have to be officially recognised since informal co-operation can happen regardless.
If we really wanted an officially recognised thing we would just merge all our parties into one Destiny Party and be done with it. Its not like they would be bound to such a party forever, if the members of an included ex-party wanted to leave they would just extricate themselves and revive the old party.
As to coalitions, It doesn't have to be officially recognised since informal co-operation can happen regardless.
If we really wanted an officially recognised thing we would just merge all our parties into one Destiny Party and be done with it. Its not like they would be bound to such a party forever, if the members of an included ex-party wanted to leave they would just extricate themselves and revive the old party.
arya126
Squad Leader
Perhaps, but a formal law allowing coalitions to attain the same status as major parties could go a long way.
In fact, should I become president, I feel obligated to promise should the opportunity present itself, will do all in my power to see such a proposal come into being a law unless it would be detrimental to our country's political landscape at the time.
In fact, should I become president, I feel obligated to promise should the opportunity present itself, will do all in my power to see such a proposal come into being a law unless it would be detrimental to our country's political landscape at the time.
arya126
Squad Leader
I hardly see how it would be detriental
OOC: Example: Such a law would require an EO in the then circumstances, and passing such an EO would result in a likely impeachment, or something like that. Removal of presidents is detrimental to the overall political landscape and stability of our country.
Sparthage
Fighting Tyranny
OOC: You won't get impeached if the Commies get creamed in the election.
arya126
Squad Leader
OOC: Im just covering my backside in case any political situation forces me to renege on said promise. In politics, you have to do it, even if such a situation seems very impossible.
GreyWithAnE
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I've been missing from Sparthage's last few tallies, but I am also running for Senator of New York under the No Party ticket, and I was actually the first to declare my candidacy. Considering I was also the first to champion Sparthage himself and his Fist party, I can't say I'm happy that he didn't return the favor and endorse me...but since civility is the cornerstone of good government, this mud will stay un-thrown.
I deserve the seat of Senator in New York because party politics are a mere consequence of the political system, and not truly the best way for ideas to be exchanged in a governing body. Consider this: if the Destiny coalition sweeps all elections this cycle, then factions will assert themselves from within the coalition, and it will once again be as if there is not a single ruling party...except for the fact that all good minds who are not card-carrying party members are excluded, to the detriment of the populace. Therefore, representatives should be elected through individual merit alone, not by mere pledged affiliation.
In this light, consider my unique stance, citizens of New York. At this juncture we all agree that expansion and military might are key to the prosperity of our country, so whomever rules will likely pursue such ends, to the good of all. However, our great country will face new challenges: enemies large and small, barbarian tribes, resource shortages, and more. When these challenges arise we will need leaders who look beyond party allegiances and demagoguery, who will instead respect thoughts an ideas for what they are, not for what banner they lie under. I alone espouse this purity as a No Party candidate.
In other words, our next government could use a little polite dissent. A vote for GreyWithAnE is a vote against single-party rule, which by definition is a vote for democracy.
(And if you want to vote for me and don't live in New York, then move here! The beach is great.)
OOC: This game really makes me appreciate how much more complicated the American system of government is than the systems it was spawned from. Rules for a "parliamentary democracy" forum game would be probably half as long...
Which makes me think we should do one of these for England whenever this finishes
I deserve the seat of Senator in New York because party politics are a mere consequence of the political system, and not truly the best way for ideas to be exchanged in a governing body. Consider this: if the Destiny coalition sweeps all elections this cycle, then factions will assert themselves from within the coalition, and it will once again be as if there is not a single ruling party...except for the fact that all good minds who are not card-carrying party members are excluded, to the detriment of the populace. Therefore, representatives should be elected through individual merit alone, not by mere pledged affiliation.
In this light, consider my unique stance, citizens of New York. At this juncture we all agree that expansion and military might are key to the prosperity of our country, so whomever rules will likely pursue such ends, to the good of all. However, our great country will face new challenges: enemies large and small, barbarian tribes, resource shortages, and more. When these challenges arise we will need leaders who look beyond party allegiances and demagoguery, who will instead respect thoughts an ideas for what they are, not for what banner they lie under. I alone espouse this purity as a No Party candidate.
In other words, our next government could use a little polite dissent
. A vote for GreyWithAnE is a vote against single-party rule, which by definition is a vote for democracy.(And if you want to vote for me and don't live in New York, then move here! The beach is great.)
OOC: This game really makes me appreciate how much more complicated the American system of government is than the systems it was spawned from. Rules for a "parliamentary democracy" forum game would be probably half as long...
Which makes me think we should do one of these for England whenever this finishes
Jehoshua
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OOC: blah, democracy is not neccesarily good in itself, you only have to see how I roll in the GaP game to see that view in implementation . The destiny coalition is a manifestation my view to this regard (government is to rule, not argue with itself) in this context (which forces an electoral system) which is of course why I advocate it IC.
EDIT: GaP = Governments and Politics: a most excellent game for those not in the know.
. The destiny coalition is a manifestation my view to this regard (government is to rule, not argue with itself) in this context (which forces an electoral system) which is of course why I advocate it IC. EDIT: GaP = Governments and Politics: a most excellent game for those not in the know.
