A New Name

[PeeDub]

Clearly it should be Civ V: The Community Improved Version. Or CivV:CIV for short

 

[Wodhann]

CPOP - the full project (Community Patch and Overhaul Project)

This is what I'm against. It's a bad name, it's long, overly descriptive and hard to remember.

We need something memorable for the whole package, not something people will have to constantly look up until they finally memorize it.

 

[Gazebo]

This is what I'm against. It's a bad name, it's long, overly descriptive and hard to remember.

We need something memorable for the whole package, not something people will have to constantly look up until they finally memorize it.

I disagree. CPOP is easy to remember, and keeps us from having to wholly rebrand. CPP->CPOP is more of a clarifying 'tweak' than a full on rework.

G

 

[AbsintheRed]

This is what I'm against. It's a bad name, it's long, overly descriptive and hard to remember.

We need something memorable for the whole package, not something people will have to constantly look up until they finally memorize it.

Also, if Community Patch and Community Overhaul (which is also a good choice instead of CBP) will already be names for parts of the project, I find it somewhat redundant for older players and surely very confusing for new players to have all those words in the name of the whole project too.
You can have an entirely separate name for that without any drawbacks, as you are already making changes because of CP/CBP, so why not take the opportunity?
Be the new name fancy or expansion-sounding, it would probably do good for spreading out the mod to as many people as possible.

 

[Wodhann]

I disagree. CPOP is easy to remember, and keeps us from having to wholly rebrand. CPP->CPOP is more of a clarifying 'tweak' than a full on rework.

How is it easy to remember? And the acronym is ugly, in my opinion. I wouldn't want such an important mod to be known as "CPOP" ("see pop", urgh), honestly.

 

[ilteroi]

How is it easy to remember? And the acronym is ugly, in my opinion. I wouldn't want such an important mod to be known as "CPOP" ("see pop", urgh), honestly.

second that!

 

[jacktannery]

Gazebo, you are probably the greatest CiV modder on the planet and a brilliant historian, but you are not very good at choosing catchy simple names. Iteroi, Wodhan, Funak and others are correct: changing the overall name of the entire project from CP to CPOP is not a good idea: it complicates an already uncatchy name; makes it more likely everyone will get mixed up between CP, CPOP, CBP, CO, and even Thal's CEP; will even confuse current players; and won't do anything to entice new players.

All your ideas for renaming the sub-branches of the overall experience are great (ie CO etc) and you should do that. But if you are going to go to the trouble of coming up with a new name for the overall combined experience, then you should pick something much catchier than 'CPOP'. Even Vox Populi is a million times better.

 

[Funak]

Gazebo, you are probably the greatest CiV modder on the planet and a brilliant historian, but you are not very good at choosing catchy simple names. Iteroi, Wodhan, Funak and others are correct: changing the overall name of the entire project from CP to CPOP is not a good idea: it complicates an already uncatchy name; makes it more likely everyone will get mixed up between CP, CPOP, CBP, CO, and even Thal's CEP; will even confuse current players; and won't do anything to entice new players.

All your ideas for renaming the sub-branches of the overall experience are great (ie CO etc) and you should do that. But if you are going to go to the trouble of coming up with a new name for the overall combined experience, then you should pick something much catchier than 'CPOP'. Even Vox Populi is a million times better.

I never said I dislike CPOP... I mean I do dislike it, but I never said so.

You need a really good name to motivate changing the name at all as a change is going to lose you some users anyways. I don't think CPOP is different enough to be worth it. I also don't think Vox Populi is good enough of a name to be worth the change, even if it is marginally better than CPP.

A Flashy yet thematic name would be the best choice, either that or just a really flashy project-name.

 

[Gazebo]

Gazebo, you are probably the greatest CiV modder on the planet and a brilliant historian, but you are not very good at choosing catchy simple names. Iteroi, Wodhan, Funak and others are correct: changing the overall name of the entire project from CP to CPOP is not a good idea: it complicates an already uncatchy name; makes it more likely everyone will get mixed up between CP, CPOP, CBP, CO, and even Thal's CEP; will even confuse current players; and won't do anything to entice new players.

All your ideas for renaming the sub-branches of the overall experience are great (ie CO etc) and you should do that. But if you are going to go to the trouble of coming up with a new name for the overall combined experience, then you should pick something much catchier than 'CPOP'. Even Vox Populi is a million times better.

It isn't currently 'CP,' it is CPP.

Changing the project's current acronym from CPP to CPOP doesn't preclude the generation of a fancier name, it's simply an update to confusing nomenclature from a technical standpoint. I haven't overruled a different 'fancy' name. Merely a technical rewrite for clarity. As I said below:

I'm at least going to tweak the names to CPOP and CO (Community Patch and Overhaul Project and Community Overhaul). I see lots of confusion on the CP v. the CBP, and that's my fault for using the word 'patch' in the CBP to begin with. Not sexy or flashy, but at least functionally more clear than the current nomenclature.

G

 

[Wodhann]

It isn't currently 'CP,' it is CPP.

Changing the project's current acronym from CPP to CPOP doesn't preclude the generation of a fancier name, it's simply an update to confusing nomenclature from a technical standpoint. I haven't overruled a different 'fancy' name. Merely a technical rewrite for clarity. As I said below:

I see no improvement from CPP to CPOP. Sure, it's more "accurate", but then again, so is "Gazebo's Improvement and Overhaul Patch That Has The Help of Some People But Mainly Most is Done by Gazebo" (GIOPTHTHSPBMMDG for short).

 

[Moi Magnus]

I agree with the other CBP -> CO is good, but CPP -> CPOP is not an interesting change.

Don't forget that even if you change the name, half of the community will still use the old names, so you will have people who use the name :
+ CPOP (new name)
+ CPP (old name)
+ CBP (because before this thread, I thougth CBP and CPP were the same thing, and I'm not alone)
So a mess even worse than now.

I agree that "Vox populi" in not necessarily a good name, mainly because naming a mod "Vox populi" when some of the most important member of the "populi" are opposed to it is quite ironic.

Spoiler :

Anyways, to me Vox Populi sounds about as silly as Scrubwrecker, with Scrubwrecker having the added benefit of being easier to pronounce and spell. Just putting that out there.

... I don't even know how to prononce "scrubwrecker", and not sure I will be able to spell it if I hear it ...
(But that's probably because french is close enougth to latin to make me being able to spell and prononce latin words intuitively (even if I know very few latin words) wherease english prononciation/spelling has absolutly meaning for me).

 

[tu_79]

I never said I dislike CPOP... I mean I do dislike it, but I never said so.

You made me laugh this time for real

 

[Gazebo]

I see no improvement from CPP to CPOP. Sure, it's more "accurate", but then again, so is "Gazebo's Improvement and Overhaul Patch That Has The Help Of Some People But Mainly Most is Done by Gazebo" (GIOPTHTHOSPBMMDG for short).

I think I and everyone else can say with complete certainty that we are aware that you do not see any improvement in the name. And so to for Funak et. al. with Vox Populi. Nevertheless, I see no harm in making the mod's descriptive elements more clear as a baseline for user-friendliness. If you had to field the number of 'the CP is not the CPP, but it also isn't the CBP' messages that I do, you would understand.

G

 

[tu_79]

I think I and everyone else can say with complete certainty that we are aware that you do not see any improvement in the name. And so to for Funak et. al. with Vox Populi. Nevertheless, I see no harm in making the mod's descriptive elements more clear as a baseline for user-friendliness. If you had to field the number of 'the CP is not the CPP, but it also isn't the CBP' messages that I do, you would understand.

G

Mmm, I vote for a catchy name for the full package too, and whatever you prefer for CBP. To clarify, CPOP isn't catchy for me.

 

[Funak]

I agree that "Vox populi" in not necessarily a good name, mainly because naming a mod "Vox populi" when some of the most important member of the "populi" are opposed to it is quite ironic.

Since when am I an important member of anything?

 

[Gazebo]

Mmm, I vote for a catchy name for the full package too, and whatever you prefer for CBP. To clarify, CPOP isn't catchy for me.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I have not said that CPOP is going to be 'the name' of the project. It is specifically an update to the nomenclature (i.e. documentation, internal working, references, etc.) of the project. It is NOT a substitute for any other name, when it comes to that decision. In the absence of a 'fancier' name it will suffice as a tweak to the existing CPP in order to maximize clarity.

Sometimes, and I mean this in the best way, "y'all thick-headed."

G

 

[JFD]

If you had to field the number of 'the CP is not the CPP, but it also isn't the CBP' messages that I do, you would understand.

G

Ditto! Though you probably get it more.

 

[Moi Magnus]

Since when am I an important member of anything?

You're not alone, but you post on amost every thread, so that make you kind of important.

 

[Wodhann]

In the absence of a 'fancier' name it will suffice as a tweak to the existing CPP in order to maximize clarity.

What absense? Most people here seemed ok with Vox Populi. Although a poll would be more enlightening (sometimes a minority can wrongly give the impression of a majority).

 

[Gazebo]

What absense? Most people here seemed ok with Vox Populi. Although a poll would be more enlightening (sometimes a minority can wrongly give the impression of a majority).

I'm fine with a poll. I like Vox Populi. I've said that already. CPP->CPOP in no way affects that.

"You heard of Vox Populi?"

"Naw, dawg, what's that?"

"It's the Community Patch Project Community Patch and Overhaul Project!"

Das ist alles.