a question for you right wingers...

[Pellaken]

It has been my experince that a discussion between me and right wingers usually goes like so
"I think that everyone should pay higher tax so that the poor can get government handouts"
"why should I pay for someone elses mistake"
or
"I think that there should be limits on guns and they should all be licensed"
"why should I pay for someone elses mistake"
so...
I am rather annoyed about something, when I DONT hear this.
I would like to know, all you right wingers, what do you think about airbags? they DO kill people, its proven, yet its now ILLIGAL to buy a new car without one. you cant even turn them off. why do they have airbags? cause some people refused to wear seatbalts. so, please, all you right wingers... back be up here... but why should I put MY life at risk, cause of someone elses mistake?

 

[drake]

They save a hugely dis-proportionate amount more people then they kill. Same thing with seatbelts.

This isn't a good argument my friend.

Whats next, construction workers getting mad because they have to wear hard hats?

I'm not a right winger, more of a side jumper on different issues, but this example is particularly bad.

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Ditto what drake said. A few highly publicized incidents go a long way...

 

[amadeus]

"Excessive taxation is the robbery of incentive."
-Ronald Reagan

 

[sonorakitch]

Airbags are an entirely different situation. When auto crashes occur, especially injuring the poor, significant costs are incurred by the government in medical care, outpatient procedural costs, etc. While this can be also falsely used by proponents of gun control, there is one significant feature that differentiates between the two: lack of airbags are not a constitutional guarantee.

And while airbag switches are not standard equipment, it is rather easy to disable them. Pull the fuse. You have the right.

~Chris

 

[jiml_63]

An interesting argument Pellaken, except there are some flaws you failed to point out.

The reason airbags are mandatory is because the liberals, in their never-ending quest to remind the people that they know what is best for you, are the very people who made airbags mandatory.

The conservative position would be...if you chose to have airbags in your auto, you are welcome to purchase them.

But there is the rub....the liberals then say that it is not fair that the only people who have airbags are the people who can afford them.

So which is it?

Require that all new cars come with airbags?

or

Whine that the less fortunate, do not have the opportunity to drive safely because they do not have the ability to purchase airbags?

 

[TrailblazingScot]

I think the state should give me a million pounds...in return I will invest it wisely and live of the proceeds...in addition I'll commit no crime.

But it is hard to get a politcal movement going based on it being applied to just me...but I think it is the best system.

 

[Ashoka]

the liberals, in their never-ending quest to remind the people that they know what is best for you,

ROFLOL!! What a funny joke!

I'll remember it next time the right-wing tries to legislate on drug use, medical marijuana, alcohol use, smoking, prostitution, sexual behavior, needle exchange programs to fight HIV, domestic partnership benefits given by local governments, mandating prayer in schools, 'gag-orders' on medical providers prohibiting them from giving medically accurate information that does not agree with religious dogma, or any other 'morality' issues...

And, quite often, this is a Republic-dominated federal process over-riding a state or local descision.

I guess if the liberals think they know what is best for our bodies, the right-wingers think they know what is best for our souls.

Which is more arrogant?


Ashoka

 

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Pellaken
It has been my experince that a discussion between me and right wingers usually goes like so
"I think that everyone should pay higher tax so that the poor can get government handouts"
"why should I pay for someone elses mistake"
or
"I think that there should be limits on guns and they should all be licensed"
"why should I pay for someone elses mistake"
so...
I am rather annoyed about something, when I DONT hear this.
I would like to know, all you right wingers, what do you think about airbags? they DO kill people, its proven, yet its now ILLIGAL to buy a new car without one. you cant even turn them off. why do they have airbags? cause some people refused to wear seatbalts. so, please, all you right wingers... back be up here... but why should I put MY life at risk, cause of someone elses mistake?

This is the biggest problem you have in life?

 

[SunTzu]

in my town we have a big poor population which is mainly the black population. It is their fault when they have kids in 9th/10th grade and then drop out of school in the 10th grade and end up working at mcdonalds. Then most of them start dealing drugs.
Why should the hardworking population be taxed more to pay the poor that did have another option to take. Public school is free........

 

[Pellaken]

guys! lets settle down a bit, this is not a leftVSright war, its a question of laws. Seatbealts, as was pointed out, also do kill people.
in a fire, the seatbelt may lock in position, and you have to sit there, and sturggle with all your beign, as your body is slowley consumed by the flames, while your life long lover tries to free you, but just cant cut the belt, you feel your blood start to ooze out of where your skin once was, and it immidetley burn in the fire, before you know it you go out, but not before you experince alot of pain... then you wake up in a hospital... a black chard being... now its time to continue your life...
well maybe that is a little heavy, but it gets my point across. who is at fault? the manufactuer for trying thier hardes to build a seatbelt that wont lock? the person that bought the car? or the last part of the chain, the person that caused the fire? no. the answer? the government. MY point is that should any deaths result from a government law, the government should pay for it. I actually belive in the death peanlty, but I belive if someone is wrongley put to death, then the payment to the family should be on the order of 1 or 5 billion dollars, or something equally astronomical. maybe if we demand things like this the government will start legislating laws that benifiet ALL people, not just the clear majority.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by SunTzu
in my town we have a big poor population which is mainly the black population. It is their fault when they have kids in 9th/10th grade and then drop out of school in the 10th grade and end up working at mcdonalds. Then most of them start dealing drugs.
Why should the hardworking population be taxed more to pay the poor that did have another option to take. Public school is free........

This is the typical simplified right winger view of poverty - all poor people deserve their problems and that they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Those of us born into the middle to upper class have no right to blame people of minority for the poverty in which they live. I'm so glad that you were born into a family that has always had enough money and that always had food on the table, and new clothes to wear, and money for school supplies, and a half decent car in the driveway.

Some people through no fault of their own are NOT given that fighting chance as a birthright - so please don't call them lazy or stupid.

Poverty is a cycle that many people fall into simply due to no fault of their own. Often in poor areas people end up going to schools that are far below standard learning conditions... lack of resources, teachers that don't care or with little experience, with high crime rates etc. It's hard to get ahead in that type of environment - and easy to slip into what you see as your ONLY real chance - crime.

Ever worked at a McDonalds? probably not. It's a hard tough job and they don't pay any where NEAR what the job is worth. No where NEAR. Yet the owners and the shareholders seem to get filthy stinking rich year after year. Isn't that a coincidence.
Don't even get me started about "hard working population"

Many people work hard - however often the HARDEST working people get paid the least. I've done hard work... I worked in anAluminum Extrusion. We made decent wages (put me through school) ONLY because we had a strong union that protected us from the corporation and demanded certain rights/benefits.
Many industrial employees are not so lucky and work 12 hour shifts every day across this country in dirty unsafe work places.

Corporations that can pay low wages on contract (to avoid paying benefits) further add to poverty. The "working poor" is one of the biggest injustices in the workforce today... all the while our right wing governments further erode our employment laws to support their money grubbing cronies...

You have the right to your opinions but poverty is SO much more complicated than "lazy people".