A Question of Ettiquette

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The scenario states they live in the same house... B knows there's a lock!

Okay, yeah, that hypothetical. I'm asking if you don't know whether there's a lock, do you just barge in? Or do you knock like a civilized person?


I'm putting a bloody sign on my door when I get home tonight, just in case some of you B people ever visit.

"IF IT IS CLOSED
KNOCK BEFORE ENTERING
BECAUSE THIS HOUSE IS
CIVILIZED"

I'm not letting A-voters visit. Only civilized people are allowed in my house.
 
I'm putting a bloody sign on my door when I get home tonight, just in case some of you B people ever visit.

"IF IT IS CLOSED
KNOCK BEFORE ENTERING
BECAUSE THIS HOUSE IS
CIVILIZED"
This reflects the values of objective truth:cowboy:
 
Do all you B people have a callous on the back of your index finger proximal interphalangeal joints from all the knocking on doors you must do?
 
Okay, the first one of you B people who walk in on my little niece who was too young to figure out the lock are getting shot.
How young are we talking here?? Two-year old? Kids learn to lock way before they learn to wipe their own ass.

Besides, who's stupid enough to leave loaded guns next to the toilet!?

I'm putting a bloody sign on my door when I get home tonight, just in case some of you B people ever visit.

"IF IT IS CLOSED
KNOCK BEFORE ENTERING
BECAUSE THIS HOUSE IS
CIVILIZED"
Void unless you also take off your shoes when entering your house and keep the bathroom door closed when it is not in use.

Like civilised people!

My situation: I never had to lock the door while I was in it. If anyone in my household ever walked in on me once, it was to their regret and never happened again. :lol:
Heh. I just figured out the meaning of Jesus' teachings:

If someone wrongs you, also turn the other ass-cheek towards them! :D

I'm not letting A-voters visit. Only civilized people are allowed in my house.
Again, civilisation demands that you take off your shoes while entering a house, yes?

Usually the bathroom door is open because it is unoccupied.
No, usually the bathroom door is closed because it is in use - in which case it is also locked if the user wants privacy - or it is closed because people are not using it and keeping it closed is still the civilised thing to do.

That being said, I'll agree with this:
I think what we have here is a cultural clash of some sort. For example, some posters saying that bathroom doors do not have locks (WHAT???) or not locking them.

Where I live, everyone locks the door and no-one knocks in 99% of Bathroom situations. In your own home, at home with guest, as someone else's guest, public bathrooms. The only possible exception might be if you are alone at home. A closed door at home does not imply that it is being engaged. It just means that the door is closed.
 
Again, civilisation demands that you take off your shoes while entering a house, yes?

No.

No, usually the bathroom door is closed because it is in use - in which case it is also locked if the user wants privacy - or it is closed because people are not using it and keeping it closed is still the civilised thing to do.

Unless there is no lock.

And keeping it open when it's not in use (or stinky) is most reasonable. It's immediately clear at a glance whether it may be occupied. You don't have to try the handle or knock!

Civilised people have locks on their bathroom doors.

But I would knock for you :love:

You can come in my house.
 
I know many used this thread as on opportunity to be silly, ignoring the serious discussion of personal responsibility and the nature of social behavior to go largely ignored. Hopefully, we've all matured a lot since April, and with the introduction of Red Diamond status (which I have retroactively applied here), we can really dig into the meat of this issue without being distracted by things like humorous one-liners.
 
There cannot be greater rudeness than to interrupt another in the current of his discourse. - John Locke

So to what extent are we obligated to avoid such rudeness? As social convention has evolved considerably since Locke's day, is it really the case that there is "no greater rudeness" in a contemporary context? Was it really the case then?
 
So to what extent are we obligated to avoid such rudeness? As social convention has evolved considerably since Locke's day, is it really the case that there is "no greater rudeness" in a contemporary context? Was it really the case then?
I think the unlocked door gives some some degree of defense to the no-knocker, but you still can't ignore the closed door. I think it stinks for either party to take the blame entirely, but if you have to blame one, I would blame the no knocker. A closed door creates a reasonable expectation of privacy, and locked or not, our judgment of this matter should look at the fact that the door was closed.
 
I think the unlocked door gives some some degree of defense to the no-knocker, but you still can't ignore the closed door. I think it stinks for either party to take the blame entirely, but if you have to blame one, I would blame the no knocker. A closed door creates a reasonable expectation of privacy, and locked or not, our judgment of this matter should look at the fact that the door was closed.

Did you write all of that just to say "stinks"?
 
Did you write all of that just to say "stinks"?
There was more to my post than a passing reference to a circumstance the parties were dealt. The door was closed for a reason as obviously you would expect some care to be taken before one jerks the knob too aggressively.

Edit - Anyway, for a more modern take than Locke that it might be the doorcloser's fault:

You're always closing your door
Well that only makes me want you more - Madonna, Burning Up
 
If the bathroom doesn't have a lock, then whoever designed a bathroom without a lock is to blame.

The apartment I share with my bro doesn't have a lock on the bathroom door. . . We turn the bathroom light on whenever we use it and it's a fairly obvious visual clue. And a light is always necessary anyway, because our bathroom is in the middle of the floorplan, so no windows or other light sources.

To OP: Voted person A
 
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