A Thought About Gibbon Goetia

[Korias]

I dont think it was implied that it would be a permanent takeover. Instead, it would be a temporary takeover that is the same length and duration of the current effect. But it does give you a large amount of control over the other civ.

 

[odalrick]

Still OP. Especially if you could gain control of a huge stack that way.

Why?

Three or four cities was meant as a maximum, only for great empires that have cities to spare. Huge stacks should be kicked out, though, just take one or two defenders for each city. And you only get a new permanent ally, with minor traits (foolish, weak).

Add a tech requirement beyond Deception and probably something to keep you in Esus...

 

[deadliver]

Would it be doable to have a leadership change in the middle of a game?

After Gibbon gets ousted why would the older leader come back into power? After all, I doubt that he kept them locked up in a cell somewhere serving them hot cocoa...probably they are DEAD.


Getting tired of Tebryn Arbandi (shame on you!)? No problem, sacrifice Gibbon Goetia so he can kack the bahstardo.


edit: so err Os-Gabella could step in.

 

[Korias]

well, if its a portion of the empire, then simply force a Colony to be formed from those cities. Otherwise, I dont see why it isnt possible, but it'd require DLL work, I'd assume.

 

[deadliver]

well I am saying the targeted civ loses their old leader and gains a new one (after Gibbon Goetia's reign of Error has been completed that is).

 

[KillerClowns]

Would it be doable to have a leadership change in the middle of a game?

After Gibbon gets ousted why would the older leader come back into power? After all, I doubt that he kept them locked up in a cell somewhere serving them hot cocoa...probably they are DEAD.


Getting tired of Tebryn Arbandi (shame on you!)? No problem, sacrifice Gibbon Goetia so he can kack the bahstardo.


edit: so err Os-Gabella could step in.

Which brings up the important question: what if the leader is, say, Os-Gabella? She could walk out of ground zero of a thermonuclear blast with nothing more than singed hair and a bad mood, so I highly doubt Gibbon Goetia is going to succeed in permanently getting rid of her. Imprisoning/distracting and impersonating her would be the best he could hope to do. Sabathiel, Hyborem, Basium and Auric definitely aren't easily killed either.

 

[Grakor456]

Hyborem, Basium and Auric definitely aren't easily killed either.

Which makes one wonder how Gibbon actually manages to stuff one of these guys in a closet somewhere, if they are units on the field at the time.

 

[Rystic]

Taking over anything permanently would be OP, in my opinion. The easiest way would to make the current leader lose their traits, gain Weak and Foolish, get a relation boost with Gibbon's owner, and be locked from declaring war. This could last 20-30 turns, then the leader would revert back to normal.

 

[deadliver]

I still think it is a good idea for Gibbon to replace the leader with the civ's alternate one, representing him removing them from power before being taken out himself.

Of course, personally i'd still be happy with allowing him to take over a civ permanently with him becoming a new and independent leader.

I mean how far do you want to take the immortality thing? Technically Os-Gabella can survive a nuke blast but why does she leave the game when you kill her civ? Hyborem and Basium are special cases.

Don't forget Gibbon is supposed to be a master (or at least good) Illusionist but i doubt he could pass for an angel or demon.

 

[Rystic]

There could be a chance that, when Gibbon's timer expires, the civ is replaced by another one of its leaders (even a minor leader).

 

[deadliver]

that really makes more sense that someone saying

"AH HA! That was not our king/queen/poobah, instead tis a foul knave!"

*stab stab...Gibbon dies*

"AH HA our real king/queen/poobah was all the while here, stuffed into this closet."

 

[zup]

that really makes more sense that someone saying

"AH HA! That was not our king/queen/poobah, instead tis a foul knave!"

*stab stab...Gibbon dies*

"AH HA our real king/queen/poobah was all the while here, stuffed into this closet."

You are seriously trying to get my keyboard ruined with Coca Cola?

 

[deadliver]

Doesn't it suck when it flies through your nose like that?

 

[Tasunke]

Dudes, yall are thinking too strictly in terms of "AI" and "attacking" a stack of summoned illusions makes the best defense .... evarr. Idk if the code already makes illusions defend first or not ... but they HEAL 100% AFTER COMBAT!!! this is great when attacking people that use hordes of weak infantry (in MP) like say, the orcs. The only way to kill an illusion is to defeat it in 1v1 combat. So u need powerful units with high percentage victory to attack them, otherwise you are losing units left and right.... just giving them the advantage flat out. Assuming u have killed all the illusions, most likely that was your "good forces" so you may have a hero or two plus your cannon fodder to take out the real army.

On offense or defense, illusionists work great with assasins, and work well with other unit types as well. Probably why the svartalphar get them, to compliment their strong recon line. Anyways, this strength of the illusion is often lost among sp players due to the AI's bad tactics imho.

 

[Akasha Valas]

The easiest way to implement Impersonate Leader would probably be to simply give a massive relations boost with the leader being "impersonated" and make them give you their techs, money, resources, etc. on demand (kind of like a vassal). Certain things that would be far too OP to give away (like cities) could be redded out (i.e. "This would give us away!" or something like that).

 

[Chip56]

that really makes more sense that someone saying

"AH HA! That was not our king/queen/poobah, instead tis a foul knave!"

*stab stab...Gibbon dies*

"AH HA our real king/queen/poobah was all the while here, stuffed into this closet."

Gibbon doesn't have to kill the leader. Its also possible that he kills his secretary and then changes the royal edicts.
-> wrong troop movements and whatever

or he could just blackmail a couple of high ranked nobels to interpret the royal edicts to his advantage.

 

[Rystic]

Gibbon doesn't have to kill the leader. Its also possible that he kills his secretary and then changes the royal edicts.
-> wrong troop movements and whatever

or he could just blackmail a couple of high ranked nobels to interpret the royal edicts to his advantage.

Not really Gibbon's style, if you read his lore. He likes to take over peoples' lives completely.

 

[Rystic]

The easiest way to implement Impersonate Leader would probably be to simply give a massive relations boost with the leader being "impersonated" and make them give you their techs, money, resources, etc. on demand (kind of like a vassal). Certain things that would be far too OP to give away (like cities) could be redded out (i.e. "This would give us away!" or something like that).

Giving all the techs would be OP, in my opinion.

 

[cyther]

I gave Gibbon the ability to become any unit that he defeats in battle, which is pretty cool. He also had a spell that returned him to normal but I think that could be done with a timer and one of Kael's scenario counter functions.

 

[deadliver]

Gibbon doesn't have to kill the leader. Its also possible that he kills his secretary and then changes the royal edicts.
-> wrong troop movements and whatever

or he could just blackmail a couple of high ranked nobels to interpret the royal edicts to his advantage.

No pretty much the pedia says he wants a throne.