Syterion
Voodoo Economist
It was. However, the days of public discrimination are over. Affirmative Action would have been a great idea in the 60's. Today it is obsolete.
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It was. However, the days of public discrimination are over. Affirmative Action would have been a great idea in the 60's. Today it is obsolete.
KaNick
Deity
student, I thought that that may have been the case after I posted that. My apologies, I will delete what I previously said.
While I agree that Afirmative Action needs to be re-evaluated, it is foolish to think that there is no more racism in America.
While I agree that Afirmative Action needs to be re-evaluated, it is foolish to think that there is no more racism in America.
BloodyPepperoni
King
Asians are populations that immigrated to North America and included doctors, lawyers, professors, and entrepreneurs among their ranks. Blacks, on the other hand, were not able to get a decent education because of discrimination. Well, until recently.
SeleucusNicator
Diadoch
Asians originally came as sugar planters and railroad workers, then were banned from entering the country for several years. As late as the 1940's they were so distrusted by the government as to be put into concentration camps.
They weren't able to get a decent education or job because of discrimination. Well, until recently...
Achinz
Hermit of Huangshan
That's very much the situation in Oz as well although there is now a polarisation into this respected middle class and the refugees particularly the "boat-people" from Vietnam.
I know of a Malaysian-born Chinese accountant who advised his school-age daughter to tell her friends she came to Oz "by plane and not by boat."
BloodyPepperoni
King
I was talking about Asians of today (that immigrated recently)
The concentration camps you are talking about happened because of the Japanese sneak-attack against Pearl Harbor and were temporary. Surprisingly, you did not mention the unique situation
Your comparison ignores the unique history of discrimination against Black people in America.
KaNick
Deity
Originally posted by BloodyPepperoni
The concentration camps you are talking about happened because of the Japanese sneak-attack against Pearl Harbor and were temporary. Surprisingly, you did not mention the unique situation
Don't tell me that you support these actions.
BloodyPepperoni
King
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Don't tell me that you think that I support these actions
KaNick
Deity
I don't know you at all. I'm just happy that you don't.
I'd rather see it based more on socio-economic situation and even then, probably only for education and/or training. This way, you'll still get a lot of racial minorities, but at least you won't leave behind the white guys who are struggling. At least it's more fair than the current AA system, which applies to nearly every facet, including the work force.
So, if i'm reading into your guys' statements correctly, some of you would take the position that blacks have had a uniquely terrible situation with racism (at least in America), unlike any other race. Interesting point, but havn't many ethnic groups faced staunch discrimination in America? Asians, Polish, Irish, Italians... the list goes on.
Irish were immediatly and harshly discriminated as soon as they got off the immigration ships, and they were relegated to slums and labor jobs (although not slavery), just like blacks were. The Irish managed to get out of it. Could it be that black race has had a particularly hard time emerging from racism, for any number of reasons, some of which are a fault of their own culture and some of which are a fault of our own?
Irish were immediatly and harshly discriminated as soon as they got off the immigration ships, and they were relegated to slums and labor jobs (although not slavery), just like blacks were. The Irish managed to get out of it. Could it be that black race has had a particularly hard time emerging from racism, for any number of reasons, some of which are a fault of their own culture and some of which are a fault of our own?
KaNick
Deity
Yes, but they were eventually accepted into the culture. Hardly anyone is racist against European Americans (maybe French) but for whatever reason racism against black people contiues to this day.
nihilistic
Intergalatic Delivery Boy
That is in general NOT TRUE.
Wrong again. Even today most Asian immigrants are not all that rich before they immigrate. If you discard the students who came here for college, you will find that most first-gen Asians have rather limited financial means.
@grandmastanick As for what that "whatever reason" is, I think it's probably (and sadly) simply an issue of appearance. It is much easier for, say, an Irishman to assimilate into a society since he already looks like them, now he just has to act like them. Just another instance of humanity being bent on appearance, which I suppose is what racism is in the first place.
It's a bit like the question of why on earth did we send the japanese americans to camps during WWII, but not the german americans? Probably an issue of simply skin color and little more.
It's a bit like the question of why on earth did we send the japanese americans to camps during WWII, but not the german americans? Probably an issue of simply skin color and little more.
KaNick
Deity
That doesn't explain why Eastern-Asians are more accepted than black people. I think that it has been drilled into the white person's mind ever since slavery that we are superior, and such ignorance is hard for some people to let go.
The Commander
Warlord
But the bottom line remains that letting some people into colleges or job positions because of their skin color is racist. It is outrightly racist. If they were letting white people into colleges and jobs ahead of minorities there would be riots in the streets, but it seems to be ok since the white folks are gettin gthe short end of the stick.
EVERY group that has ever mass-migrated to ANY country has faced discrimination, regardless of race, color, nationality, they are going to be discriminated against because they are the new guys, nothing will ever change this, don't even pretend it's possible. The Irish, Poles, Swedes, Japanese, Chinese, Blacks, and now Mexicans all came to the U.S. and took hell for it, but most managed to pull out of it after a couple of generations and integrate into sociaety and work their way up to respectable positions in society.
As for the ghettos being populated by minorities? So what, there are plenty of white trash people too. The biggest reason they remain there is that they allow themselves too. They get involved in drugs and gangs and don't care about their education and screw up, and lo and behold, they live impoverished lives. I would know, i live in a barrio where us whites are the minority.
The ones that stop whining that their ancestors were persecuted and go out and decide to make something of themselves (Tiger Woods, Jonh Cochran, etc. etc.) do succeed, so how can you claim that these people are at a disadvantage when so many otehrs succeed? If they're screwing up, it's their own damn fault and others should not be punished for it.
EVERY group that has ever mass-migrated to ANY country has faced discrimination, regardless of race, color, nationality, they are going to be discriminated against because they are the new guys, nothing will ever change this, don't even pretend it's possible. The Irish, Poles, Swedes, Japanese, Chinese, Blacks, and now Mexicans all came to the U.S. and took hell for it, but most managed to pull out of it after a couple of generations and integrate into sociaety and work their way up to respectable positions in society.
As for the ghettos being populated by minorities? So what, there are plenty of white trash people too. The biggest reason they remain there is that they allow themselves too. They get involved in drugs and gangs and don't care about their education and screw up, and lo and behold, they live impoverished lives. I would know, i live in a barrio where us whites are the minority.
The ones that stop whining that their ancestors were persecuted and go out and decide to make something of themselves (Tiger Woods, Jonh Cochran, etc. etc.) do succeed, so how can you claim that these people are at a disadvantage when so many otehrs succeed? If they're screwing up, it's their own damn fault and others should not be punished for it.
I think it's pretty much agreed by eveveryone that affirmative action is outright racist. It implies that blacks are inferior, and that whites somehow deserve things less because they are white no matter how hard they worked. It's pretty rare and dissappointing when you find something that is racist to everyone is so prevalent in our society.
nihilistic
Intergalatic Delivery Boy
That claim is wrong too. Dead wrong. At least in nyc and many other places on the east coast, Asians had it the worst when it comes to racism. In nyc, if some black dude alledgedly gets killed by racial violence, you can bet on the second day opportunists like Al Sharpton will be on NY1 yapping. However, if that person is Asian, the rule is usually complete silence. It's even worst in schools (elementary school to high school). In fact, in the elite high schools in nyc, a rather high amount of Asians there claim that one of our main reasons that we put up so much effort trying to get there is their low black/hispanic student %.
KaNick
Deity
I live in the midwest so you will have to excuse my ignorance. Of course we have more rednecks here so that may explain things.
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
this is a system that discriminates, rather than solve the problem. Id go postal if my 4.8 GPA was turned down while a 2.8 was accepted because of race.
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