AG6 - The OCC Space Race (Monarch)

[Aggie]

Almost finished, time for a 'what happened':

A. We actually got something from the Great Library

B. The AI is in the Middle Ages

C. We got a SGL

D. We are at war against 4 AI

E. The Americans landed 4 units next to Constantinople

F. Constantinople will be American next turn

 

[Melifluous]

Originally posted by Aggie
A. We actually got something from the Great Library

probably

Originally posted by Aggie
B. The AI is in the Middle Ages

Following from A, I guess you gifted the AI into the MAs?

Originally posted by Aggie
C. We got a SGL

Yup, we are a lucky bunch

Originally posted by Aggie
D. We are at war against 4 AI

Quite probable, I dont see us caving to any AI demands and thatway lies WAR!

Originally posted by Aggie
E. The Americans landed 4 units next to Constantinople

Nope, not gonna happen, AI dont use suicide galleys full of troops.

Originally posted by Aggie
F. Constantinople will be American next turn

Just aint gonna happen..

Now come on and post Aggie, I am stuck here ill at home and now you got me worried

Melifluous

 

[Aggie]

The answers:

A. Yes, we got Monarchy from the AI!

B. No, far from it. They all at least lack 4 techs and Republic on top of that!

C. Yes, we were lucky after getting Monotheism.

D. Naturally. I bow to no one.

E. No, they could reach us with a galley. But they lack Writing

F. E. isn't true, so same for F.



IHT: We have the Great Library. This means that we have to take measures to avoid a culture win. I sell the Temple which we can miss. We still have 6 happy citizens. I maximise on income and can now push science back to 70% (Mono still in 2, +22 gpt).

IT: Constantinople: dromon->dromon.

Turn 1 (150 BC) Warrior is exploring our island.

IT: We discover Monotheism and:

Let's use this one for Copernicus! It is possible to get more than one SGL at the same time and the Scientific Golden Age doesn't work..

Turn 2 (130 BC) Science to 100% (-10 gpt). Curragh upgraded to Dromon for 45 gold.

IT: Constantinople: dromon->dromon.

Turn 3, 4 (110, 90 BC)

IT: Constantinople: Dromon->Worker (skimming). France finishes Artemis and The Maya finish the HG.

Turn 5 (70 BC) 4 dromons seem enough to me to guard our coast. More of them would hurt our treasure. I sell Writing to France and Egypt, for 98 gold and 77 gold.

IT: Worker->wealth.

Turn 6, 7 (50, 30 BC)

IT: The Maya demand Writing and I decline. We are at war. Three wars are going on now!

Turn 8 - 12 (10 BC, 10 - 70 AD)

IT: Egypt demands Philo and I say no. The war with Egypt is the 4th we have currenctly.

Turn 13 (90 AD) Theology still in one with science at 30% (+56 gpt).

IT: Theology comes in, now what to research next? We get Monarchy from the Library.

Turn 14 (110 AD) After a long thought I decide to go for Education. It will speed up our research and I don't expect anything from the AI soon.

Turn 15 (130 AD)

Some things about my turn: I decided to go for science all the way, so I built only a few dromons, sold the temple and pushed research towards Education, despite the TGL.
We have a SGL and I like to see it used for Copernicus. I understand that we need a temple at some point, but for now wealth is helping our income and thus our science.
Next building would be university, as I see it, then Copernicus, then a bank.

I believe that 4 Dromons (now fortified) can kill the galleys coming towards us (using the lethal bombardment from sea squares!).
I can understand when we decide to have more troops however. But I felt quite safe.
The most dangerous situation would be that a 'friendly' civ lands units next to our city. We need the firepower to defeat the first attack wave.

Also as soon as we see galleys from others, we can trade with them! The best way to get more hapiness is through luxuries I like to see us trading techs only for reasonable prices.
I sold Writing for almost nothing, but at the time we needed income for research.

All open for debate of course! I also like a new report from Microbe about our culture course

Our island:

130 AD save

 

[Aggie]

ROSTER:
-Aggie -----------> just played
-Microbe --------> up
-CarlosMM ------> on deck
-Jack Merchant
-Stuck as a Mac
-yoshi74
-Melifluous

 

[jack merchant]

Don't use Geminus for Cop's ! We're a lock for it with a proper prebuild anyway. I suggest keeping him around for the SS Engine.

 

[Aggie]

Jack, you are right! Let's keep the SGL for later.

 

[yoshi74]

Hopefully we can stockpile some more of these guys. Would make building the space ship a real joy
We still should consider some land troops. Our island is quite big. Guarding the whole shore would also need a lot of troops. And even then someone can slip trough...

 

[microbe]

I got it, will play tonight.

I agree beeling to Astronomy. Let AI research the bottom half.

Now, why did we build Great Library? It will ONLY CAUSE TROUBLE! It will give us 4686 culture in year 2050!!! And it will be obsoleted very soon, as we get Education. What is the benefit??? Haven't my research made this very clear?

We don't need it. We are tech lead and we can trade to get those techs. Besides, those AIs are extremely slow. You know what's the challenge? We need those AI to keep up and do research for us! So there is no worry to let them have it.

I see we are at war. I haven't looked at the save yet, but let's not be so stingy sometimes. Let them have out-dated techs (we are in Middle Ages, what's the problem of giving Writing to them???)

If we didn't have Great Library, we could get Shakespear later, which is very helpful with happiness and growth, but now we are screwed.

Again, wonders we want: Copernicus, Newton, ToE, SETI, UN.

Refrain from building more wonders!!! Delay cathedral/colosseum/temple as late as possible! We also should get Navigation asap and trade for lux if needed.

 

[Aggie]

Microbe, I agree with you. Let's stick to that plan people. Only Copernicus, Newton, ToE, SETI, UN

 

[carlosMM]

why the *(%§)$&%))(§&%$ do we have GreatLib?

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

I echo the sentiments of Microbe and CarlosMM. Why the @#$% did we build the GreatLib? Did we need it for denial? For the sake of assuring the AI lags?

One request to the next player: Sell off any culture buildings we have and rebuild them so that we dont risk a double/to make up for the culture the GreatLib gives.

And perhaps save the SGL for Newtons, if needed. If not, an SS part.

 

[microbe]

Preturn: we only have one embassy. I establish one with Osman, Istanbul is size 6 with 1 clown, 0 growth, 6spt building a rax. How pathetic! He doesn't know anyone, although there is only one sea tile between Sumeria and himself.

We have how many scientific civs? Only Sumetia and Osman. I don't ally with Sumeria against Zulu as I want it to stay alive until Modern Ages. We need their free techs!

We have no horses (iron is to be connected soon). Maya has extra horses for trade. Good. Let's get Navigation and trade with him.

These AIs are so backward. We'll have to give some charity.

Press enter.

IBT Zulu offers peace. I pass for now.

(1)150AD: IBT France builds SoZ.

(2)170AD: ZZZ

(3)190AD: ZZZ

(4)210AD: iron colony created.

(5)230AD: These AIs are so backward that I decide to pull the trigger. I gift Writing, HBR, Currency, Construction, CoL, Philosophy and Map Making to Osman, and he now has Engineering!

I trade Feudalism for it, hoping it would research Invention.

Education due in 3 so I start prebuild on colosseum.

(6)250AD: zzz

(7)260AD: zzz

(8)270AD: zzz

(9)280AD: Establish embassy with France, Paris is size 8, 12spt, iron/horses, 3 lux, building Great Wall due in 10 turns.

(10)290AD: zzz

IBT Education->Astronomy. GL obsoleted. Switch Colosseum to University immediately.

(11)300AD: Start Sistine as prebuild for Copernicus. With university built, Astronomy is due in 13. We can only go 90% sci though with -6 deficit.

(12)310AD: zzz

(13)320AD: zzz

(14)330AD: zzz

(15)340AD: zzz

I'll play one more turn to fix up the turns.

(16)350AD: we are already size 12 so I MM to use the newly mined mountain, our spt increase from 20 to 23, and income the same. Send worker to connect the dye.

To the next leader:

After Astronomy we should go Banking and then Navigation. Remember to switch Sistine to Copernicus. In the mean time hopefully Osman can research Invention for us. Then beeline to ToG.

AG6-350AD

 

[microbe]

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
And perhaps save the SGL for Newtons, if needed. If not, an SS part.

We can use Magellan as prebuild for Newton, so there is no need to use the leader. Save it later (ToE or SETI).

 

[microbe]

BTW, after Copernicus (and bank), we should build some military. Build some pikemen and disband those warriors.

 

[Aggie]

Hmm, I don't like the gift of the techs to the AI like that...

Also, why Navigation? It's a dead-end tech?

 

[microbe]

Aggie,

Do you want to do research all by yourself? I doubt so. These AIs are so backward that they are hopeless. For example, the Engineering saved us 10 turns of research. I think I should even have given Osman Republic, Monarchy and Literature to make sure at least he would have 50% chance to research Invention before we finish all 3 techs. As long as we keep 3 techs ahead there is no worry.

Yes Navigation is optional, but it would allow us to trade with everybody. We need lux if we make peace with the AIs, and we need horses too.

 

[Aggie]

Astronomy makes trading possible for a bulk of cases already. Let's see what that does first. Egypt and France have 7 luxes to trade for us. This means we only miss out on horses without Navigation. And Magnetsin, which comes later, makes the rest of the trading possible.

I indeed liked to see us self research. That may be a bit paranoid though.

 

[microbe]

I agree if Astronomy makes trading OK we don't need Navigation.

Don't worry, Aggie, I believe we'll still do most of the self-research. Osman is small and only has 5 cities, and Sumeria/Zulu has 3 each. They won't be a threat at all. We'll use the two scientific civs for their free techs only, and we'll only do so when we have a clear tech lead.

If your goal is all self-research, but not fast space ship launch, say so and we can stop doing that. However, with our high culture I'm worried about running out of time.

By the way, our library will soon hit the 1K year bonus (500AD). We need to sell it and rebuild at that time.

 

[Aggie]

microbe, can you do a little research on the expected 20K date?

 

[microbe]

We'll build Copernicus at around 500AD, and Newton around 900AD. If we keep the estimate of TOE in ~1500, we'll have culture win in 1985.

This doesn't take selling library/university and rebuild into account. Neither the mobolization.

I think we should be OK?