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All Quiet on the Civ Front

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Duuk, Jun 6, 2018.

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  1. marius_kaparius

    marius_kaparius Chieftain

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    If the expansion introduces railroads, which civilization or leader would have a mechanic associated with them? Would it rather be Great Persons? Could give Great Engineers and Great Merchants some interesting things to do in the late game.
     
  2. AvianBritish

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    Isambard Kingdom Brunel - Railway track are layed immediately at the start of a new railway. (Famous for laying the infrastructure for Britain's railways)
    Nigel Gresley - Trains have double movement points. (Famous for building the fastest steam locomotive)
    Robert Stephenson - Unlock railways without the normal technology requirement. (Famous for building the first steam locomotive)

    Victoria - Pax Britannia - Remove the free melee units and provide better/earlier industrialisation, but keep the Redcoat.

    England - British Museum - Same bonus as before, but in addition: in the Atomic and Modern era all railways seize to work due to privatisation.
     
  3. mitsho

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    Tough one, but well, Otto von Bismarck fits time-wise and he did push for a railway system. Similarly, the railway system played an important role for the Soviets in WW2, so whether as an own civ or a second leader for Russia, this would fit (also: Trans-Siberian Railway). With England and India, they are kinda already represented in this time-period, but you surely could also find a way to find a connection to a US leader. Now we're getting a bit iffy, but you can also do a story for Italy, Austria-Hungary , Gran Colombia and many more centered on railways. But I'm not sure there needs to be a leader excelling at railways, it's enough to implement them in other ways (though looking at the bonuses for leaders so far, they probably need creative boni... :)).
     
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    I want them to add the Hall of Fame.
     
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    :) oooh... that made me laugh...
     
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  6. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    Jokes aside, I could definitely see railroads be implemented into Victoria's Pax Britannica ability since during her reign the railroad industry really took off in Great Britain and their colonies.
     
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  7. Xandinho

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    I think England could have some changes in its unique ability, although I like their current ability (it's a little weak, but British Museums makes total sense to England). Maybe Incas can get some related bonus.

    If railroads are even added, can we certainly expect more leaders of the industrial age, some guess?
     
  8. The Kingmaker

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    England needs a medieval or renaissance king to contrast to the relatively modern Victoria.

    Either Alfred the Great, the greatest Medieval English monarch, or Henry VIII, England’s most notorious king.

    Alfred is the star of two different Viking-age TV dramas, so the timing is right. As for the rationale for Henry: remember that the best stories have strong, iconic villains, and the same is true of Civ. Imagine the game without wild-eyed Montezuma, or bloodthirsty attacks by Shaka or the Khan? Or Alexander’s most-punchable mug?

    Along those lines, Russia needs Ivan IV: powerful, iconic, and totally nuts. His unique agenda would just be a second random agenda.

    I’d say Rome could have a good leader from the Republic, like Scipio or Cicero... but then there’s always Nero. Having the worst emperor would contrast nicely with Trajan, who was the best. See the discussion of villains above. I’d love to see the game channel Peter Ustinov’s performance from Quo Vadis.

    America doesn’t need another Roosevelt. Washington was done most recently, so this time it could be Lincoln again. He’s just so iconic. However, they could also do Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin. For the latter, leaders don’t have to be heads of state to be in the game, and Franklin is famous. I’ve seen people advocate for Polk or other presidents, but it’s hard to choose someone much less well-known over the big names.

    I have some ideas for other second leaders for China, Egypt and other civs that I may post later.

    I also second the assertion going around that we absolutely must have the big name civs back: Babylon, Byzantium, Carthage, Ethiopia, the Inca, the Maya, Portugal, the Ottoman Turks.

    They should also bring back Mali, as well as another Native American tribe (Iroquois, Sioux, Apache, Navajo, whoever) and a Briton or Gaulish-themed Celtic civ.
     
  9. Leathaface

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    I prefer the road system in VI, it just feels to satisfying sending a trade route to another city and the road being automatically created. Plus you don't have to divert any resources to building the road other than a trader, no worker needed to build the road tile by tile. And you can get a road very early, at Foreign Trade.

    I can remember IV having roads all over the place, like practically on every tile. I prefer VI where roads are only on trade routes. Plus in V roads cost maintenance, which I wasn't a fan of.
     
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  10. pokiehl

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    I quite like the Civ VI road system, but I agree with the suggestion above about maybe separating 'road building' charges from regular charges for the Military Engineer, so that the player has more opportunity to manually build roads. But in all my hours of Civ 6, I've never manually built a single piece of road.
     
  11. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    Railroads do not have anything to do with the Inca unless somehow the function would be tied to regular roads as well, and in that case Rome and Persia would get some sort of related bonuses towards railroads.
    Anyways regarding the Inca I had in mind adjacency bonuses for Commercial Hubs, Industrial Zones, and Theatre Squares for each adjacent mountains and farms can be built on hill tiles at Irrigation.
    As for the roads that would go under the leader ability of Huyana Capac where domestic routes provide more food, production, and gold and units can move even faster on hills, especially with a road. Also the Tambo their UI will automatically create a road to the closest city to which it is built.
     
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  12. Zaarin

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    My choice would be Henry V. As much as I'd love to see him, the problem with Alfred is that he doesn't fit the civ; he should either get his own Anglo-Saxon civ or wait for the next game, because Victoria's "England" is thoroughly the United Kingdom of Great Britain.

    Ugh, pass. America doesn't need another leader; Teddy is iconic and just fine. If it must get another leader, though, the fact that the current leader is iconic opens the door to a less obvious candidate like John Adams or Thomas Jefferson. For another iconic president, it ought to be Washington. A late 19th century president like Lincoln is too close to an early 20th century president like TR.

    I think the idea is more infrastructure than railroads specifically, which would be rather niche and come rather late.

    I like this very much, and if Firaxis took this route Huayna Capac might supplant Cyrus as my favorite leader to play as, or one of them.
     
  13. The Kingmaker

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    This little discussion about the Incas has made me eager to play them again. As much as I appreciate the “new” civs, the game just isn’t the same without all our old favorites.

    Babylon is my #1 favorite civ. I really love Carthage, the Maya and the Celts too.

    C’mon Firaxis... please.
     
  14. Zaarin

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    But only if we ditch Boudicca and the rampant stereotypes. :p
     
  15. The Kingmaker

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    We had a good thread on this in the history forum last year. Vercingetorix or Cartimandua, I say.

    (I wouldn’t even mind Boudicca if they could do her justice... but the only thing worse than her Civ4 portrayal was her Civ5 portrayal.) :(
     
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  16. Zaarin

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    Aye, I remember it. Either of those would be acceptable to me, though I prefer Vercingetorix, mostly because I prefer the Gauls to the Britons.
     
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  17. The Kingmaker

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    Works for me!
     
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  18. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    Instead of the name "Celts" I would rather them being called Gaul if they did Vercingetorix as the leader or Iceni for Boudicca etc. And yes to bringing back the others as well.
     
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  19. sukritact

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    Egypt really needs a Native Egyptian monarch. I'd love to see Sneferu, Ramesses, Djoser, Hatshepsut or Montuhotep.

    I'd personally want to see two Native American civs, a Plains people, and a Pacific Northwest people.

    In the meantime: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1451025835
     
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  20. Trav'ling Canuck

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    Neither is your local government, but I'm willing to bet a large portion of your taxes are going towards road maintenance. :)

    I'm okay with this not being represented in Civ, but it is funny how few of the decisions that governments can actually control are depicted in Civ. Instead we get to decide how fast a city can grow by banning people from working on a farm and mandating that they work in a Campus. Question: if the women of fertile age have been so starved of food that they can't reproduce, is that why the yields from Specialists are so low in Civ 6? All Specialists are assumed to be working while on the brink of starvation?
     
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