All Things Star Wars

[JohannaK]

I remember this YouTuber who made a deep dive into the only show JJ Abrams created and stayed with to the end, to get an idea where a JJ ending might be. His takeaway? It ends where it started. He made it quite literal with TRoS.

 

[r16]

this week ı went through 4 canon novels and stuff . One involves episodes from the Clone Wars cartoons . One involves force neutral groups , like who have some but refuse to take the side , be it Light or Dark . One involves Phasma , a standalone movie might do good , better if Finn is involved , saved from all the innuendo of "Look, the Black gay person is getting cozy with the lead, how do you feel, sucker?" Thrawn , easily best of the lot , because ı liked the previous / not expanded universe novels , too ... Might help in the inevitable fixing of the Disney trio .

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Boyega has come out and said that the way his character was treated was pretty racist and I agree, though I think it was more a case of unintentional racism rather than deliberate. Basically his complaint is he was billed as this huge character which was a Big Deal (tm) as the first black main character but then they completely dropped the ball and stopped developing him as a character altogether. By the third movie he was just there, without a real purpose or character development, and basically even stopped being a part of the main cast in favor of Kylo.

"It’s so difficult to manoeuvre. You get yourself involved in projects and you’re not necessarily going to like everything. [But] what I would say to Disney is do not bring out a black character, market them to be much more important in the franchise than they are and then have them pushed to the side. It’s not good. I’ll say it straight up.
...
"Like, you guys knew what to do with Daisy Ridley, you knew what to do with Adam Driver. You knew what to do with these other people, but when it came to Kelly Marie Tran, when it came to John Boyega, you know f— all."

I remember this YouTuber who made a deep dive into the only show JJ Abrams created and stayed with to the end, to get an idea where a JJ ending might be. His takeaway? It ends where it started. He made it quite literal with TRoS.

He tried to warn us. Why didn't we listen?

 

[JohannaK]

Oh my god... that was 2 and a half years ago.

It's been almost a year since TRoS!

What is happening to time?

 

[r16]

I thought of a fun Star Wars question I'd like to discuss here.

Near the end of A New Hope, when Han Solo shoots the wingman ship of Vader to knock them out of range to allow Luke to shoot the Death Star:

What if Han Solo/Millenium Falcon actually shot Vader's ship, destroying and thus killing Vader?

How much do you think this would have changed things?

sorry , this was in a time when ı wouldn't be around of this thread to avoid spoilers .

no way Han could have shot the TlE advanced as the fighter action is Vader's excuse for being outside , out of control of Tarkin , who is busy thinking whether he can now get rid of the entire Sith crp , you know which word would rhyme here . Vader is waiting for a thing to happen because obviously he knows Death Star will go poof . Death Star's only value to Palpatine is to force the Light Side to bring out its champion as it happens . Like would doubt he would ever bother asking Vader what the hell happened in the trench and was Vader rebelling and chasing Red 5 to fire his own proton torpedo down the shaft , you know the Force is strong with this one garbage , no doubt over heard by the TlE escorts and all ... Did ı mention he was lower into the trench and his escorts were like suitably higher to take the shot ?

(poster has forgotten comics , can't tell whether Vader was sent to the corner to stand on one leg after Yavin .)

edit : Turns out avoiding the thread was right , post#2770 or so ...

 

[hobbsyoyo]

"It’s so difficult to manoeuvre. You get yourself involved in projects and you’re not necessarily going to like everything. [But] what I would say to Disney is do not bring out a black character, market them to be much more important in the franchise than they are and then have them pushed to the side. It’s not good. I’ll say it straight up.
...
"Like, you guys knew what to do with Daisy Ridley, you knew what to do with Adam Driver. You knew what to do with these other people, but when it came to Kelly Marie Tran, when it came to John Boyega, you know f— all."


He tried to warn us. Why didn't we listen?

To be fair though, they really didn't know what to do with Daisy's character in important aspects like her parentage. It just turns out they knew even less about what to do with Boyega's character.

 

[Synobun]

To be fair though, they really didn't know what to do with Daisy's character in important aspects like her parentage. It just turns out they knew even less about what to do with Boyega's character.

The only parentage that would make sense for Rey was just normal parents, Luke, or another fabrication through the Force. The latter would need a different antagonist than Snoke just as a baseline, even before he was uncovered to be a rando clone.

Making her a Palpatine is just contrived, especially with the backstory of Pappy Palps looking for a vessel to put his essence in.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

To be fair though, they really didn't know what to do with Daisy's character in important aspects like her parentage. It just turns out they knew even less about what to do with Boyega's character.

I have to disagree somewhat with what Boyega said. I'd take it one step further in that Disney didn't know what to do with any of the characters including Rey & Ben.

The only parentage that would make sense for Rey was just normal parents, Luke, or another fabrication through the Force.

Idk, I kind of liked the Rey Kenobi angle. I mean there was already some precedent for Obi-Wan being in love. Would it really be that much of a leap that he could have had a child on Tatooine, and that child in turn had a daughter. It definitely would've made more sense than Palpatine.

 

[Synobun]

Idk, I kind of liked the Rey Kenobi angle. I mean there was already some precedent for Obi-Wan being in love. Would it really be that much of a leap that he could have had a child on Tatooine, and that child in turn had a daughter. It definitely would've made more sense than Palpatine.

Maybe. Based on what we saw in TCW, his romance with Satine (I think that was her name?) was mostly distant and then she was done did murdered. I suppose it could be plausible she had a lil bebe in secret and then Obi-Wan found out about it during his exile on Tatooine. If properly supported, I would be okay with that too. But at the point of the movies, it'd have been too late to really make it come to be. In a way that's cool, anyways.

A Kenobi would have required a lot of storycrafting across multiple mediums. Filoni would have been capable of that, I think, but unfortunately Disney wants to rule by committee on Star Wars. And it's going great!

 

[Laurana Kanan]

I didn't mean a child with Satine, but rather someone he could have met on Tatooine. I alluded to his feelings for Satine as merely the context for Kenobi developing another relationship - 19 years is a long time in solitude after all. The new Kenobi series would have been ideal to develop that story and wouldn't have "required a lot of storycrafting across multiple mediums", but I guess it's all moot now what with the show's delays and the ST already wrapped up. I think, though, it would have been interesting to have had TLJ allude to her parentage, then have Kenobi S01 drop just before TROS furthering the allusion, before the big reveal in TROS.

 

[Synobun]

I didn't mean a child with Satine, but rather someone he could have met on Tatooine. I alluded to his feelings for Satine as merely the context for Kenobi developing another relationship - 19 years is a long time in solitude after all. The new Kenobi series would have been ideal to develop that story and wouldn't have "required a lot of storycrafting across multiple mediums", but I guess it's all moot now what with the show's delays and the ST already wrapped up. I think, though, it would have been interesting to have had TLJ allude to her parentage, then have Kenobi S01 drop just before TROS furthering the allusion, before the big reveal in TROS.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, that'd have worked.

 

[r16]

you are talking about Kenobi betraying the Jedi ideals and whatnot . Jedi do not marry , Kenobi would have given up the light saber which he had to keep , because things would come out to that he would be left the only one to face Vader , with Yoda being the only one that could face Palpatine . Plus , extra stuff to make sure why Kenobi would not ; he loved the ease of mind that life he had to suffer provided him . Had to , ı say .

this ı say with the confidence that whatever constituted post 2770 was not meant for me , for my approval , because there are few places that takes r16 seriously enough . lt is perhaps a plea on the world to make Lucasarts people follow stuff as ordered by the director team ? Because we DO know they deleted the Jedis all coming out of hyperspace of souls to fight Palpatine in unison with Rey . Of course especially Rian Johnson will claim it was poetic for Kylo Ren to kill his fathers . Han first , Snoke second . But obviously Snoke would rise right there again , because that would prove all Jedis are fools , Ben Solo being especially one , because he is a Jedi who lost his way as much as "his" grandfather had ... Just like Rey was made out of thin air , just like Palpatine was tricked into thinking he was creating life which then supposedly created Anakin in the Light-Dark duality and balance . Rey was always Palpatine's discarded stuff made up by Snoke . Rey's escape and hence Episode lX was only possible by the suicide run of Admiral Partydress , gay as gay , keeping Leia Organa warm , because it is an integral part . To make it bigger and more legendary . And yes , Palpatine would be crawling in the very last movie (instead of the reverse as we have seen , the jar and the bisected Snoke)

and no asking the exact end , but all the Jedis and Snoke would like unite and the Force would die , how gloriously a gay end , ı would never do justice to tell .

 

[Takhisis]

I'm sorry but I agree with Laurana Kanan on this (disregard my username and hers): all the main characters were mishandled.
From among the new heroes:
Rey goes from being a self-made survivor to somebody whose very fate is decided by her parentage and, being heterosexual herself, by being one half of a special duo, the other half of which is a heterosexual male and also the heir of a dynasty. Way to do feminism, man.
Finn gets shunted off to the side so quickly. Rose… disappears?
Poe, uhm, erm, died but didn't die in TFA, then suddenly became incompetent + comic relief, then… was relevant?
BB-8 I like, because it'll mean that Darths and Droids now has two funny droids to play with.

And from among the new villains:
Kylo Ren's whiny, deranged and I don't understand why he does half the things he did - probably explained in a ten-twenty additional sourcebooks, I mean, comics and novels
Hux is first a Nazi/shallow parody of the US alt-right which very quickly got old when Donald Trump was elected less than a year later (also the red flags with a white circle and a black not-a-cross thing, ugh!)
Phasma was added for the sake of marketing a differently-coloured stormtrooper and tokenist feminist cred, but is, as warpus said, a prop. Every single one of her scenes could have been done by any random stormtrooper.
Snoke… was Palpatine('s creature) all along, stupidest reveal ever. They'd've done better to keep him mysterious.

Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine seems to have followed the advice given by James Cameron to Arnold Schwarzenegger when they made Terminator 3: ‘get as much money off them as you can for your iconic role’.

Oh my god... that was 2 and a half years ago.

Actually it says June 2019.

 

[Takhisis]

Also I just found this:

John Boyega: Jo Malone apologises to actor for cutting him out of Chinese ad ​

Does anybody have a link to these latest interviews with John Boyega and/or Daisy Ridley?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Did Phasma even show up again after the first movie? Did we ever see her with her helmet off?

 

[Takhisis]

We saw one blue eye when her helmet had a hole punched in it. All she did was look broody and try and have Finn executed with some sort of laser axe. And get killed.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

When you said she was shown as a storm trooper of a different color, I thought maybe you meant race and that she was one of the randos that show up in evil council meetings in the later movies or something. I thought I remembered her dying but then also at the time it happened I assumed she would have secretly escaped and would reappear later like the characters in a proper space [soap] operas.

 

[JohannaK]

Actually it says June 2019.

Not my post. The video.

 

[Takhisis]

Oh! All right, then.

When you said she was shown as a storm trooper of a different color, I thought maybe you meant race and that she was one of the randos that show up in evil council meetings in the later movies or something. I thought I remembered her dying but then also at the time it happened I assumed she would have secretly escaped and would reappear later like the characters in a proper space [soap] operas.

Actually that could've rescued the character. As it is, it's like the red-armoured Sith Troopers: blatant promotion of collectibles with negligible plot relevance.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Sure wouldn't mind a full-on tv show in the vein of this EA SW short for Squadrons. In my dreams it would be based off of Stackpole's old X-wing novels, however, and not the ridiculous post-ROTJ tripe.