Allow Administrative Positions to Hold Another Office?

[Black_Hole]

The administrative positions in the current nominations cycle are:
Chief Justice
Judge Advocate
Public Defender
Chief Elections Official
City Naming Official
Chief Polling Standards Official

The orginal intent of the alternate government was to make these positions allowed to hold another office, as they are generally boring positions.
So should we?

 

[Provolution]

One Office One Citizen is a firm principle. However, we could make City Naming Official a part of the Vice President. WE could also make Chief Polling Standards Official a responsibility of the Judge Advocate.

 

[Black_Hole]

One Office One Citizen is a firm principle. However, we could make City Naming Official a part of the Vice President. WE could also make Chief Polling Standards Official a responsibility of the Judge Advocate.

I agree, except according to this poll:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=112690
it is the president who is in charge of city naming.

But that is a good idea
Lets make those other positions optional, and if they arent filled the CJ takes place of head election official and judiciary acts as elections office. Also the JA will be in charge of the PSC

 

[Strider]

Two words: "Hell No."

Let the President appoint someone to handle the City Naming Commission, we need more jobs that the newer players can do.

 

[Provolution]

If we can really kick the City Naming Commissions sorry end if they betray their mandate and responsibility in handling this simple unskilled job.

 

[Strider]

If we can really kick the City Naming Commissions sorry end if they betray their mandate and responsibility in handling this simple unskilled job.

Simple enough, set it up to where the Naming Commision Official and the Election Officials can also be removed by the President.

 

[Black_Hole]

Simple enough, set it up to where the Naming Commision Official and the Election Officials can also be removed by the President.

how about the election officials must be removed with 2/3 judiciary members

 

[Strider]

how about the election officials must be removed with 2/3 judiciary members

Because elections have nothing to do with the Judiciary, who are tasked with upholding and interpreting the constitution.

We could also make it to where a vote by the citizens can remove an appointed citizen also.

 

[Black_Hole]

Because elections have nothing to do with the Judiciary, who are tasked with upholding and interpreting the constitution.

We could also make it to where a vote by the citizens can remove an appointed citizen also.

wouldnt that be a CC?

 

[Provolution]

well city naming comission should die as a concept, the office is too small, and it adds bureaucracy that sows failure and discontent.

 

[Strider]

wouldnt that be a CC?

In the case of an elected official, no it would not. It would be an impeachment.

However, in the case of an appointed official, things change. Anyway, all of the appointed officials won't have very powerful jobs, and I doubt were going to see them removed for anything except an absence.

 

[Strider]

well city naming comission should die as a concept, the office is too small, and it adds bureaucracy that sows failure and discontent.

We need someone to do it, better to let a newer player learn the ropes of an office, rather than having one of our other officials waste there time on it.

 

[Provolution]

City naming is that critical, and it need to follow the DP, so that we get rid of wasteful red tape. 'City naming is clearly a Presidential area, and needs to carry consequences if the naming list is not followed to the letter. Otherwise, the city naming official will become

A) the Presidential fall guy who can leave with no consequence

B) A sort of autonomous pest with nothing to lose that discriminates based on preference, and simply leaves the office if confronted.

Please apply euthanasia on the City Naming Office, it is not worth keeping.

 

[Strider]

City naming is that critical, and it need to follow the DP, so that we get rid of wasteful red tape. 'City naming is clearly a Presidential area, and needs to carry consequences if the naming list is not followed to the letter. Otherwise, the city naming official will become

A) the Presidential fall guy who can leave with no consequence

B) A sort of autonomous pest with nothing to lose that discriminates based on preference, and simply leaves the office if confronted.

Please apply euthanasia on the City Naming Office, it is not worth keeping.

What red-tape? It will just be a single guy who posts a list of City names inside of the turnchat instruction thread. No discussion needed. He/she may make mistakes from time to time, but it's not the end of the world, you can always re-name cities later on.

 

[Provolution]

We have seen that take place before, no, let the President handle this, so no mistakes are made. We could make other more interesting jobs for newbees, much more interestng.

 

[Strider]

We have seen that take place before, no, let the President handle this, so no mistakes are made. We could make other more interesting jobs for newbees, much more interestng.

If the president does handle it, they appoint any person they want to, including themself or there VP.

 

[Provolution]

Good, then we agree the President goes down if the naming issue is not handled by the rule of the law, evidence here is self-evident. Fall guy or no fall guy.

 

[ravensfire]

No.

The top three are elected officials, not admin by any stretch.

The bottom three are pure admin. I don't care who does it.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Provolution]

Well, someone must be legally responsible in the admin positions, and that has to be an elected member, I would say President runs Naming, JA runs polling and CJ runs elections.

 

[DaveShack]

Let's not make this too difficult.

The concept for the non-elected positions was going to be "volunteer", same as always. There have been calls to make these "official" positions, so the President should make the volunteer official, by appointment.

Contrary to some people's personal feelings on the matter, city naming is not something for which someone needs to be strung up by their thumbs if a mistake is made. Names are trivial to correct, all that needs to be done is the citizen who wants a correction posts in the naming office thread that the name is incorrect, an instruction gets posted, and the DP takes care of it next opportunity.

Deliberately suborning the naming process by a citizen who happens to be running the naming office is an offense by that citizen, not by the official who makes the appointment. We need a CoL or CoS entry detailing the procedures to be followed, that's all.

The idea is to allow the purely admin positions to be held by anyone. This means the Judiciary are just like any elected office and may hold only one elected position, and the others, not being elected, can hold an elected office or even another non-elected position. In the same way, a mayor may hold any other office.