Allow Administrative Positions to Hold Another Office?

[Provolution]

Well, I suggest we leave "volunteer" on the naming of cities and let it be a Presidential Office. No need to make 10 cities named per Term a full office, when the President needs to do the work anyways. I do not like the idea of repeating old mistakes, that is a very twisted thought. However, I volunteer for the new office: Inquisitor of the Realm, where I will point out mistakes and make wrongdoers suffer horrendously.

 

[ravensfire]

Provo - you've had that mastered for quite a long time, I assure you of that.

The solution is simple, and you actually stumbled upon it. The blind squirrel theory proves true again. You assign the administrative tasks to the President, and allow them to delegate as they see fit.

Authority may be delegated, responsibility cannot be.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Provolution]

LOL, so I am a blind squirrel to you Ravensfire It seems you never cease to insult me. [writing down a note for future reference]

 

[Donovan Zoi]

I will be submitting my application to the first and future Presidents for the honor of running the CNO. I too was unhappy with the way it was run, and would like to handle the matter in proactive fashion.

 

[Provolution]

Well, then the President will be demolished if Donovan Zoi is making a mistake , and we need a law for rectifying violations of the new City Naming Law. Plus, I do not like the City Naming Office title, bad karma, too much "Black Smoke" there. Call it something else than CNO, CNO smells like a putrid corpse from the trenches of World War One.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

The City Naming Law for DG6 was championed by yours truly, so I don't think you need to worry about me running afoul of its limits. Of course I need to be accepted first.

You will have to enlighten me on the CNO thing. If it's offensive enough, I can come up with better acronyms. What do you think of Establishment Pronouns Incorporated?

 

[Provolution]

Actually , that is a great idea, and a most appropriate legacy of the inspiration of all this

Honestly, we should call it something including the office of responsibility and give the CNO functions also for Unit naming and Trans-provincial Geographic feature naming as well, in addition to handling the citizen honors since we need ready references we can use for discussing map strategy without looking at the save.

So DZ should head:

Presidential Institution for Naming and Titles (PINT).
This effectively covers cities, units, and geography covered by more than one province or geography not covered by a province.

PINT would represent a more positive association than any other substance...

 

[DaveShack]

A volunteer already? Cool, I wasn't expecting it to be so easy to find someone willing to put up with Provolution's daggers. Especially since it appears that vitriolic obfuscated English is the only language he's comfortable with.

 

[Provolution]

A volunteer already? Cool, I wasn't expecting it to be so easy to find someone willing to put up with Provolution's daggers. Especially since it appears that vitriolic obfuscated English is the only language he's comfortable with.

I think my communication is quite clear here DS. And I saw no need to write what you did. I am sorry to say that DZ and me, as many others will not allow the same mistakes to take place again with no authority and responsibility linked in the naming process.

 

[DaveShack]

Ok, your writings on this topic are not obfuscated, I stand corrected.

However, let us review a few statements on the naming office, shall we?

If we can really kick the City Naming Commissions sorry end if they betray their mandate and responsibility in handling this simple unskilled job.

B) A sort of autonomous pest with nothing to lose that discriminates based on preference, and simply leaves the office if confronted.

However, I volunteer for the new office: Inquisitor of the Realm, where I will point out mistakes and make wrongdoers suffer horrendously.

Well, then the President will be demolished if Donovan Zoi is making a mistake

Let's see, you're still carrying on a crusade against someone who isn't here any more for one thing. I don't see the point in making wrongdoers suffer, especially for reversible mistakes. Just repair it and go on. And "demolished" is an interesting choice of words, how do you propose to do that?

If we didn't have DZ as a volunteer, I would apply the simplest kind of answer to the squeaky wheel syndrome. If someone complains about a problem, assign them to that problem. If they accept, then they're the solution and no longer have a basis for complaint. If they decline, then the complaintant loses credibility through unwillingness to solve it. Hasta la vista complaint...

 

[Chieftess]

Moderator Action: Let's stop this flamewar right now before it really starts to boil over.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Provolution]

Hopefully our beloved future President Elect will adhere to forum rules

Again, I was speaking in generics here, and we will not see the same mistakes take place as previous games. I will see to that, as my right as a citizen, and no one has the right to make me responsible for others mistakes.

This is not a crusade against someone who isn't there anymore, but a clear signal that similar mistakes will not be tolerated. This is a simple task, clearly linked to the Presidential authority as DP who will actually name the cities in game. Some players does not deem this that important, or take very easily on mistakes and see no need to correct them. At least Donovan Zoi has seen the need to do this thoroughly. Finally, we all know what kind of treatment that expects perpetrators, we have all seen the consequences and I will not be the one to toss the first stone, even my stone may be a bit bigger.

So every activity within the game itself must have an elected authority, as our esteemed Colleague Ravensfire pointed out. When DZ, Ravensfire and me agree on something, you should really consider it. Do not take too easy on city naming this game.

 

[Sarevok]

1 office per person.

 

[DaveShack]

The rule is very straightforward, one elected office per official. As the naming office, elections office, and polling standards office are not elected, those people may hold another office. The same goes for mayors and any other appointed office.

 

[Nobody]

Chief Justice
Judge Advocate
Public Defender

No the Courts must be seperate for the executive. I belive other admin could be appointed by the president (or a prime minister just for the job of watching these people) but the ultimate responsability remains with the elected offical in charge. I don't think a vote by citizens should be able to impeach a offical. because our court system is based around all the citizens working as a jury anyway. the judges are there to make sure the accused gets to tell his side and have a fair chance before the people vote choose his fate.
If a citizen can just say "impeach the president Yay or Nay" then the people vote, its like lynching.

 

[Sarevok]

The rule is very straightforward, one elected office per official. As the naming office, elections office, and polling standards office are not elected, those people may hold another office. The same goes for mayors and any other appointed office.

why do we have unelected offices? Isnt that a bit... undemocratic?

 

[YNCS]

Every democracy (and any other type of government above the tribal council) has bureaucrats.