Am i doing so well,or not?

Korppu

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Hello again ^.^ I made a new topic,because it's a whole new thing. So,I started playing with Romans,I'm doing well (or that's what i think). I have both iron,and horses. Im planning to wait to the chivarly come,and then ill make couple of knights and take over the zulus. If some expert Civ3 player could take a look bout this:
http://rapidshare.com/files/86738993/Caesar_of_the_Romans__875_BC.SAV.html

And would give me hints how to continue,mabye make alot of new cities,and like that.

Thank you,again. :crazyeye:
 
It's the version witch comes with the original Civ III :F
I just downloaded the patch to it (1.29). So should i save it now again or what?
Also,its not Conquest.
 
Hmmm. I couldn't get CivAssist to open it at all, but I think 1.29 is the latest patch for vanilla Civ III. I'm not very good with tech & patch issues, but I know that there's a problem with some of the patches making old saves unplayable. See if you can open it and if you can, post it again and I'll give it a shot.
 
OK. First of all, you're playing vanilla. I only play Conquests, so there are some things I don't know about vanilla. I'll do my best to point out when something has changed from vanilla to conquests, but I may miss a trick here and there.

Also, the analysis that I'm doing here is based on my playing style, which is moderately war-heavy. I've never had a culture win. I've never had a diplo win. My victories are mostly domination and conquest.

I see walls and spears all over the place. You're playing a defensive game. With cheap raxes and early archers, you could have been out kicking down doors a long time ago.

You're running 50% science, when more is possible. Are you familiar with the science and lux sliders? Hit F1 and look in the upper right. The sliders (look for the science beaker and the happy face) allow you to regulate science and luxury spending.

You're working towards a Monarchy. In Conquests, Republic is usually the government of choice, but Republic is stronger in Conquests than it is in Vanilla (IIUC), so this may be a good choice that you've made. I'll leave comments on vanilla governments to those who know more about them than I.

Why did you build the Oracle in Veii? You have all victory conditions enabled. I'm no good with culture victories (never had one), and the Oracle might be a good choice for a culture victory, it's no help for stomping your neighbors. It doubles the effect of temples. You have temples in many of your cities, far more than I would have built. Truth be told, I frequently go whole games without ever building a temple. The Oracle is 300 shields. That's a big investment at the point in time when the Oracle becomes available. If you haven't read Ision's "Four Rules of Wonder Addiction" in the War Academy, I'd suggest doing so.

You're in the ancient age, along with Egypt, Greece, and Babylon. Japan, China, India, and Zululand are all in the middle ages already. The Zulu have ~1400 gold. You have 198. Currency is known to 4 civs, but not you. Have you been trading techs? If not, you need to get more familiar with tech trading. The AI will trade freely amongst themselves and if you don't get in on the action, they'll outrun you everytime. Research from left to right in the tech tree. This will help you get monopolies on technologies, which trade better. For example, as Rome, you start with Alphabet (at least in Conquests you do). So one option for first research is Writing. Once you're the only one with Writing, trade it for The Wheel to Civ A, for Pottery to Civ B, for Masonry to Civ C. You can really speed up your research that way.

City spacing. Your city spacing isn't bad, but I see a little more CxxxxC than I would use. Part of that, however, is due to the terrain you were dealt and this wasn't an easy start. Where I see a problem is in your prioritization of tiles. To the SE of Rome, Lutetia, Antium and Veii are on the edge of a desert, while two cows with two BGs sit unused SW of your core. In the early game, food is king. That two-cow, two-BG area could have been a powerhouse, maybe a settler or worker factory.

I've got to tell you, though, that this was a tough start, from a terrain perspective. Your core is in the middle of tons of mountains that slowed your growth down. Mountains don't provide food, and the rough terrain slowed your workers down. You don't have iron and you don't have horses. That didn't help, either.

I also see that you've got 14 cities, 16 workers, and 2 slaves. That's not bad. Shoot for 1.5-2 workers per town. Gather as many slaves as you can lay hands on. They don't cost any upkeep (unlike workers that you build), so having a few hundred of them around by the time you get rails can be quite handy.

Suggestions for the next game: Do not build Ancient Age wonders. If the civ next to you builds the Pyramids, by all means, go take them. But don't build them yourself. Focus on settlers, workers and military. Unless you're going for a culture win, skip the temples and use the lux slider for happiness issues. And I'd say pick your victory condition early, as that will help you focus your city management. Knowing at 4000 BC that you're going for military conquest helps you decide whether to build a temple or another swordsman . . .

I hope this helps.
 
Wow. ^^

That helped alot. Btw,i had like 3 irons and 1 horse down there? Well,you didint notice them.

About those wonders,im kinda addicted to them,but I think ill get over it,somehow ^^

Ahh,i dont know how they got so much thegnology than me,I usually get to the middle age far earlier than them. Oh well,I'll start again,with other civilizaiton ^^

Thank's for all of you're help.
 
No, I guess I overlooked the irons and horses. I saw some horses up north, but they weren't inside your cultural borders. I didn't see any iron. Were they hooked up? I looked in your trade advisor, but I thought that all I saw was luxuries. They got past you in technology by trading amongst themselves.

Glad I could help.
 
Id build a city next to that hill on the desert square in the middle of all the flood plains. Build a city east of Berlin to take advantage of the cow and all the deer. Konigsberg should be building settlers, the Oracle is totally useless with your city spacing. Not sure why you build so many temples, they aren't needed unless you are spacing your cities farther apart.
 
I looked at this a bit earlier but when I tried to reply I lost my internet connection.:mad: I haven't looked at the second game but I would like to add a couple of comments to what Aabra has said; particularly where he has said that he lacks knowledge of vanilla. I hope that they help.

You're working towards a Monarchy. In Conquests, Republic is usually the government of choice, but Republic is stronger in Conquests than it is in Vanilla (IIUC), so this may be a good choice that you've made.
I still rate Republic as the way to go unless you plan to do a lot of fighting or if your lands are commerce poor. The extra commerce gives you more choices and it is the easiest way of keeping up with the AI on the highler levels. Just keep an eye on the number of units each town has and try to have a smaller, mobile force rather than the standard new-player tactic of several spears per town. (For more peaceful vanilla games I even consider Democracy when it becomes available-something that is simply not on the cards when I play C3C.)

City spacing. Your city spacing isn't bad, but I see a little more CxxxxC than I would use.
One of the key differences between vanilla and conquests is how corruption and waste are calculated. A powerful tool in overcoming a degree of corruption is to place your cities in an arrangement called Ring City Placement. I still agree with Aabra that a tighter placement is going to be more powerful than a wider one but you may want to consider looking at the link to RCP that I've made. Just note that it's not to everyone's taste.

I'd also like to add to the comments about food is king in the early game. The start was tough to expand rapidly but it looks like you've been drawn to the golden hills and mountains. They'll do little for you at this stage in the game and many of your workers are improving tiles that will not be used for a very long time (maybe never) due to the lack of food in some of those northern towns. Claim the sources of iron by all means (that area of three irons in a row of four tiles is something that I've never seen before-amazing!) but generally head for the green before the hills and never ignore a cow!

Good luck in that new game.:)
 
ARGH! Where did that oracle come from! STUPID AI! :mad: :p

Ookay. Thanks for all of you're help,everyone ^^
 
I looked mainly at the second .sav.

- Heidelburg is not well positionned IMHO... Maybe one tile SE, then another city on the forest on the coast, 2 tiles north from where it is right now. This way, Heidelburg itself doesn't have useless 1 food sea tiles, you get the cattle (twice!), Heidelburg can work both wheats, and you get a commerce powerhouse!
- Bonn is one tile away from rivers. It should've been built to get one of them at least. (One tile NW, probably)
- Irrigate brown, mine green. And irrigate food boni.
- Have more workers working together.
- As for temples, it's fine, at this point, IMHO, to build a few (not more than 1 or 2). If you don't build a few early, you might have heavy flip issues later. Both England and France have started building culture, so it might be the time to even things out on this field.
- You should explore south from Salzburg.
- Don't build the Oracle. Just don't. It expires with Theology.

But on the whole, it's pretty good for a beginner!
 
Okay now. I started again couple of days ago with the Aztechs. Im doing good,I'm in the Middle age,and i have just conquered Romans. Here's the problem: The only salpenter is on the creeks(the only country left in my continent),And it's too far away. So im not gonna even try to take it over (i could,but it would take too long). So,i'm about to take over the frace,they are in another island. But,they have salpenter=Musketeers. And my knights dont beat them... I have 1 leader,1 army.

Should i wait untill i get rubber (if i get) and try taking over france and the other countries just then,or what would you people suggest?
 
It's kind of hard to answer this without a screenshot, but as a general rule, I suggest clearing your own continent before invading another. It may seem like it will take a long time to conquer the Greeks for their saltpeter, but it probably will not take as long as taking over France on the other island. As for knights not beating them, are you using catapults are trebuchets? You should be. Doing so will improve your odds.
 
O well,i might just try take over creece first :D Though the salpenter is just in the end of the island. :)
 
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