pindicator
Emperor
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Ank06 - 3CC Conquest
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pindicator
Emperor
So I only ended up playing 5 turns due to what I think was a critical decision to make. Mongolia declared war on us, and while other civs will go to war with the Mongols, I wanted to leave it up to the team to decide which civs we want or do not want to do so and which ones we want to keep open to attack within the next 20 turns.
Here's the write-up:
Inherited Turn, 660AD
Okay, so since it's been forever, I went back and read the last player's notes on what they think should be done. I have to concur, so here are my goals:
1) Finish off Aztec cities outside of their peninsula.
2) Take war to the Arabs, sue for peace to get techs, as the small towns are corrupt and should fall easily.
3) Once RoP is up with Carthage, take war to their towns.
And for wishful thinking:
4) Get Arabia and Carthage at war with each other.
Time to hit ENTER
IBT-
Carthage wants to talk.
Wants to trade territory maps; not during your turn, buddy.
Aztec knight kills our Elite Gallic flawlessly... I guess fortified plus mountain didn't mean much.
Another Aztec knight dies to our knight, but redlines it.
Americans settle Cleveland so our troops blocking the mountain road are now in their territory. Why must they be such a pain?
American knight approaches Lugdunum menacingly. Do not like this, as we have no troops nearby to prevent the attack.
We build Leo's
Begin production of Knight
Arab's build Sistine Chapel in Damascus.
Turn 1, 670AD
Decided that I do not like the idea of potentially losing more units to the Aztecs, as they are both 2/5 and 1/4 respectively. So I move them back, hoping the Americans will do the job for me.
Oh my god, did anybody else see Billups nail that half-court shot to force OT!?
Knight kills Pike at Xochicalco, -2HP and promotes.
Gallic kills Spear at Xochicalco, -2HP. Longbow still shows.
Advance knights, though I may move them back to position against Arab towns.
IBT-
America asks us not-so-politely to leave.
Knight by Lugdunum passes by, thankfully.
Augh! America and Azteca have an RoP... so we lose two Gallics to knights (do mountains do anything for us?), but the knights are redlined.
Lugdunum: Catapult -> Pike. Am keeping this cat in Lugdunum, as it has only one defender.
Turn 2, 680AD
3/5 Knight kills Longbow in Xochicalco, -1HP. We burn the city!
Elite Knight kills Spear in Atzcapotzalco, -3HP. Have we gotten a leader yet??
Vet Knight kills Spear in Atza, redlines tho. Burn, baby burn!
Get peace with Azteca for 20g, WM, and 2 towns to disband. I could have gotten 3, but I wanted to pick up Teotihuacan so we can get an easier landbridge to block the Aztecs with.
Move a slave to be on the way to block the land bridge. Actually, I'll move 2 just in case they beat me to the first one.
IBT-
Alesia: Knight -> Knight
Turn 3, 690AD
Positioning troops to attack Arabia.
Trading maps gets us 25g.
Turn 4, 700AD
We don't have an embassy with America. Buy one for 68g.
Nobody will sign a military alliance with us, so I guess #4 is a distant hope.
Trading maps with all who have money gets us 8g.
Declare on Arabs.
Vet Knight kills Longbowman by Shiraz flawlessly.
Vet Knight kills Longbowman by Merw, -1HP.
Augh! I am playing stupid and leave the incense colony undefended!
Elite Gallic kills Longbowman by Balkh flawlessly.
Elite Knight kills Archer by Merw, redlines.
IBT-
Zulus ask us to leave.
Mongols sign MA with Arabs against us!
Horsemen kills our Spear and we lose the spice colony... temporary, cause we have plenty of slaves.
Incense colony goes down as well... I'm on a roll.
Arab Longbow loses to the redlined Knight. Wheh.
Americans are kicking our worker out.
Entremont: Knight -> Knight
Turn 5, 710AD
3/4 Knight kills Warrior in Merw, -1HP.
Vet Knight kills Longbow in Merw flawlessly.
Use slave from Merw to recreate our incense colony.
Both cats miss the Musket in Shiraz.
Knight loses to Musket in Shiraz, takes off 2HP, but the musket promotes.
Knight kills Horseman near Mosul, -1HP and promotes.
In an attempt to hit ALT I hit the spacebar, and leave the knight at Entremont (though it may be needed there).
Move workers away from Mongol border.
Okay, I am going to stop things here, because I have an opportunity to sign an MA against Mongolia with another civ, however, I do not know which one I want to do it with. Which civ do we want to sign an MA with and what civ do we want to keep open to attack?
Here's the save:
Here's the write-up:
Inherited Turn, 660AD
Okay, so since it's been forever, I went back and read the last player's notes on what they think should be done. I have to concur, so here are my goals:
1) Finish off Aztec cities outside of their peninsula.
2) Take war to the Arabs, sue for peace to get techs, as the small towns are corrupt and should fall easily.
3) Once RoP is up with Carthage, take war to their towns.
And for wishful thinking:
4) Get Arabia and Carthage at war with each other.
Time to hit ENTER
IBT-
Carthage wants to talk.
Wants to trade territory maps; not during your turn, buddy.
Aztec knight kills our Elite Gallic flawlessly... I guess fortified plus mountain didn't mean much.
Another Aztec knight dies to our knight, but redlines it.
Americans settle Cleveland so our troops blocking the mountain road are now in their territory. Why must they be such a pain?
American knight approaches Lugdunum menacingly. Do not like this, as we have no troops nearby to prevent the attack.
We build Leo's
Begin production of KnightArab's build Sistine Chapel in Damascus.
Turn 1, 670AD
Decided that I do not like the idea of potentially losing more units to the Aztecs, as they are both 2/5 and 1/4 respectively. So I move them back, hoping the Americans will do the job for me.
Oh my god, did anybody else see Billups nail that half-court shot to force OT!?
Knight kills Pike at Xochicalco, -2HP and promotes.
Gallic kills Spear at Xochicalco, -2HP. Longbow still shows.
Advance knights, though I may move them back to position against Arab towns.
IBT-
America asks us not-so-politely to leave.
Knight by Lugdunum passes by, thankfully.
Augh! America and Azteca have an RoP... so we lose two Gallics to knights (do mountains do anything for us?), but the knights are redlined.
Lugdunum: Catapult -> Pike. Am keeping this cat in Lugdunum, as it has only one defender.
Turn 2, 680AD
3/5 Knight kills Longbow in Xochicalco, -1HP. We burn the city!
Elite Knight kills Spear in Atzcapotzalco, -3HP. Have we gotten a leader yet??
Vet Knight kills Spear in Atza, redlines tho. Burn, baby burn!
Get peace with Azteca for 20g, WM, and 2 towns to disband. I could have gotten 3, but I wanted to pick up Teotihuacan so we can get an easier landbridge to block the Aztecs with.
Move a slave to be on the way to block the land bridge. Actually, I'll move 2 just in case they beat me to the first one.
IBT-
Alesia: Knight -> Knight
Turn 3, 690AD
Positioning troops to attack Arabia.
Trading maps gets us 25g.
Turn 4, 700AD
We don't have an embassy with America. Buy one for 68g.
Nobody will sign a military alliance with us, so I guess #4 is a distant hope.
Trading maps with all who have money gets us 8g.
Declare on Arabs.
Vet Knight kills Longbowman by Shiraz flawlessly.
Vet Knight kills Longbowman by Merw, -1HP.
Augh! I am playing stupid and leave the incense colony undefended!
Elite Gallic kills Longbowman by Balkh flawlessly.
Elite Knight kills Archer by Merw, redlines.
IBT-
Zulus ask us to leave.
Mongols sign MA with Arabs against us!
Horsemen kills our Spear and we lose the spice colony... temporary, cause we have plenty of slaves.
Incense colony goes down as well... I'm on a roll.
Arab Longbow loses to the redlined Knight. Wheh.
Americans are kicking our worker out.
Entremont: Knight -> Knight
Turn 5, 710AD
3/4 Knight kills Warrior in Merw, -1HP.
Vet Knight kills Longbow in Merw flawlessly.
Use slave from Merw to recreate our incense colony.
Both cats miss the Musket in Shiraz.
Knight loses to Musket in Shiraz, takes off 2HP, but the musket promotes.
Knight kills Horseman near Mosul, -1HP and promotes.
In an attempt to hit ALT I hit the spacebar, and leave the knight at Entremont (though it may be needed there).
Move workers away from Mongol border.
Okay, I am going to stop things here, because I have an opportunity to sign an MA against Mongolia with another civ, however, I do not know which one I want to do it with. Which civ do we want to sign an MA with and what civ do we want to keep open to attack?
Here's the save:
pindicator
Emperor
Here's the main attack theatre. I don't recommend taking on Shiraz until we can amass all four cats and bombard that Musket down; I tried to take him out before he could fortify, but was not able to.
Our fated Spearmen lost to a horsie, so we need a new slave here. There is another Knight in Entremont that can help take this town if needed:
In the west, once the Knights heal this town shouldn't be a problem to take. Note the worker that should be positioned on the ruins to the south, so the Aztecs are hemmed in:
Our fated Spearmen lost to a horsie, so we need a new slave here. There is another Knight in Entremont that can help take this town if needed:
In the west, once the Knights heal this town shouldn't be a problem to take. Note the worker that should be positioned on the ruins to the south, so the Aztecs are hemmed in:
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
I would sign Germany in against Mongolia, and Carthage in against Arabia. Maybe even America against Arabia also.
Pin- I would go ahead and finish your turns when you are comfortable with what everyone thinks.
Pin- I would go ahead and finish your turns when you are comfortable with what everyone thinks.
Gengis Khan
Deity
Great game last night. I went to the pub down the street to watch it, and walked out of there a bit drunker then I ment to. How was I suppose to know it would last over 4 hours? Between that game & the Spurs-Lakers finish 2 days ago(even though the Lakers won grumble grumble) that is without a doubt the best 24 hours in basketball I can remember in a long time.
Back to the game: I'd sign Germany against Mongolia, and just make sure our Capitol has a pike & knight in it. I'd continue fighting arabia by ourselves, so we can switch targets & still get techs out of them. If it starts really turning against us we can always make peace & regroup.
Back to the game: I'd sign Germany against Mongolia, and just make sure our Capitol has a pike & knight in it. I'd continue fighting arabia by ourselves, so we can switch targets & still get techs out of them. If it starts really turning against us we can always make peace & regroup.
pindicator
Emperor
So now that I'm a bit refreshed and had some time to think on it, I think Germnay versus Mongolia is the safe move, but not necessarily the best.
It keeps the east end of our continent fighting amongst themselves, but the east end of the continent isn't exactly where our problems lie. All the tech leaders are to the west (at least, I think that's right).
Signing an MA will cost us all our cash, even with the power-house Carthage (though it won't cost any gpt), so we're only going to realistically be able to sign one AI civ in right now. Certainly if we do sign Germany versus Mongolia, there's a hope that Germany will use our $$$ to sign up other enemy civs as well. But whatever civ we do sign up I want to be a civ that 1) won't kill Mongolia by themselves and 2) will drag other civs into a giant world war, although not a gang-up on the Mongols. I seriously doubt one of the big 3 in the west could send enough troops over to take out the Mongols, though I admit it's not likely Germany could either.
In any case, I want to use a slave to get that saltpeter on line for us ASAP, so we can upgrade our defenses.
I'll give it a little bit more time for discussion before I play.
It keeps the east end of our continent fighting amongst themselves, but the east end of the continent isn't exactly where our problems lie. All the tech leaders are to the west (at least, I think that's right).
Signing an MA will cost us all our cash, even with the power-house Carthage (though it won't cost any gpt), so we're only going to realistically be able to sign one AI civ in right now. Certainly if we do sign Germany versus Mongolia, there's a hope that Germany will use our $$$ to sign up other enemy civs as well. But whatever civ we do sign up I want to be a civ that 1) won't kill Mongolia by themselves and 2) will drag other civs into a giant world war, although not a gang-up on the Mongols. I seriously doubt one of the big 3 in the west could send enough troops over to take out the Mongols, though I admit it's not likely Germany could either.
In any case, I want to use a slave to get that saltpeter on line for us ASAP, so we can upgrade our defenses.
I'll give it a little bit more time for discussion before I play.
Gengis Khan
Deity
IMHO the biggest advantage to forming an alliance against the Mongols is that we won't have to defend our cities as much. We're not going to want to stop the war for peace(for techs), we can happily keep the war going until our ally bows out.
If we sign someone from the West up against them they have to run all the way over there(probably 10+ turns, if they're lucky & we give them an RoP), and by then we'll have Mongols all over us(yea with horses & archers but whatever), not to mention whatever Civ it is will be running a ton of troops past our poorly defended cities on the way back & that's just asking for trouble.
If we sign Germany against the Mongols they'll be there immediatly, attacking cities & killing troops of both sides. The more Germany sends against them the less troops our capitol will see, which is a good thing. Plus that will kill off a bunch of both of their units so we'll be able to blitz through them both whenever we want, and we won't have to worry about Germans running through our land.
Also IMHO it's better to use gpt for alliances then straight cash, that way if the ally backs out before 20 turns are up we get a break. If we use gpt we can also(this is without knowing how the germans are doing on techs) sell them a tech for our gpt back & then some.
My 2c.
If we sign someone from the West up against them they have to run all the way over there(probably 10+ turns, if they're lucky & we give them an RoP), and by then we'll have Mongols all over us(yea with horses & archers but whatever), not to mention whatever Civ it is will be running a ton of troops past our poorly defended cities on the way back & that's just asking for trouble.
If we sign Germany against the Mongols they'll be there immediatly, attacking cities & killing troops of both sides. The more Germany sends against them the less troops our capitol will see, which is a good thing. Plus that will kill off a bunch of both of their units so we'll be able to blitz through them both whenever we want, and we won't have to worry about Germans running through our land.
Also IMHO it's better to use gpt for alliances then straight cash, that way if the ally backs out before 20 turns are up we get a break. If we use gpt we can also(this is without knowing how the germans are doing on techs) sell them a tech for our gpt back & then some.
My 2c.
pindicator
Emperor
Good points Genghis, and enough to convince me. I'll finish em up now.
pindicator
Emperor
Last week in Ank06:
Our heroes were found trapped between two canibalistic powers. Will they survive to see another day?
Signing MA vs. Mongolia with Germany.
They would do it for Incense and 26gpt.
But they also have Education, so the final deal went: MA + Education for Incense, WM, 52gpt, & 155g.
If they get a peace treaty (or kill Mongolia) within 10 turns, we'll get our money's worth. Since Germany has NO iron and NO horses, I'll gamble on it.
Hopefully they'll draw someone else in for us with all that money.
IBT-
Knight retreats from Arab Longbow.
Arab settler pair walks right by one of our knights.
Lugdunum: Pike -> Cat.
Our castle gets scary looking spires.
Turn 6, 720AD
Elite gallic flawlessly kills longbow.
Send a slave towards the saltpeter so we can upgrade our defenders back home.
Knight flawlessly kills settler pair.
IBT-
Americans set down two more towns. They are filling in quite nicely, I am sad to say.
Aztecs settle where I wanted to choke point them; I'll have to send in another slave and make it a little higher up.
Alesia: Knight -> Knight.
Turn 7, 730AD
Elite gallic flawlessly kills longbow.
3/4 Knight flawlessly kills longbow and promotes.
IBT-
2 Ansars approach to reinforce Fez
Longbow redlines our gallic, but he retreats.
Turn 8, 740AD
4/5 Knight loses to a longbow in open field.
3/4 Knight kills it, -1HP.
Elite Knight kills Ansar in Fez, -2HP.
Elite Knight kills Ansar outside Fez flawlessly.
Make a fur colony, just in case we want to trade an extra
Ah, now this is funny... The incense I traded Germany to sign an MA got cut off the moment they declared war. Does that hurt us any? I hope not.
IBT-
An Ansar takes over the fur colony! They're right outside our borders.
Entremont: Knight -> Knight.
Lugdunum: Cat -> Pike.
Turn 9, 750AD
Automated Virus scan pops up and crashes the game. My comp is a mess right now.
Reload the autosave and replay the part of the turn I've already done.
Vet Knight kills the Ansar that came too close, -1HP.
Vet Knight kills Spear in Mosul, -2HP.
Elite Knight kills Spear in Mosul, -4HP and we burn the city.
Arabs have settled another town farther south, Aydab, by the dyes.
Slave builds a saltpeter colony.
Upgrade all pikes to muskets (150g) and switch Lugdunum from Pike to Musket.
4/5 Knight kills longbow, -1HP.
Elite knight redlines spear in Fez, and then loses 5 in a row.
Elite gallic finishes the deal flawlessly and we burn the city.
IBT-
Zulu ask our workers to leave.
Carthage tells us the RoP is over. Good, you're next.
America and Arabia sign MA against us.
Carthage signs MA against us!!!
Arab Longbow redlines a knight, but loses.
Ansar finishes the job, losing 2HP.
We lose two slaves and a cat to the Americans.
Turn 10, 760AD
Vet knight kills spear in Bulk, -2HP and promotes.
Elite knight retreats vs spear in Balkh, does -1HP.
Vet knight redlines and kills spear in Balkh.
3/5 knight kills longbow in Balkh, -1HP. We burn the city.
Both cats miss the musket in Shiraz; so i won't be attack that city this turn.
Vet knight kills Ansar south of Shiraz, -2HP and promotes.
I am going to leave it here. There are still many units to be moved.
Arabia will sign for peace and give us 10gpt, but we will not get any techs from them. However, I still think it's the best thing to do, as I doubt we can take on all three. (Maybe we can even sign Arabia against Carthage or America afterwards? I know, it's wishful thinking.)
America has our cat, an archer and a knight in our borders to be dealt with.
And the Germany vs Mongol fight seems to be a standstill; we've yet to see a Mongol attacker.
Our heroes were found trapped between two canibalistic powers. Will they survive to see another day?
Signing MA vs. Mongolia with Germany.
They would do it for Incense and 26gpt.
But they also have Education, so the final deal went: MA + Education for Incense, WM, 52gpt, & 155g.
If they get a peace treaty (or kill Mongolia) within 10 turns, we'll get our money's worth. Since Germany has NO iron and NO horses, I'll gamble on it.
Hopefully they'll draw someone else in for us with all that money.
IBT-
Knight retreats from Arab Longbow.
Arab settler pair walks right by one of our knights.
Lugdunum: Pike -> Cat.
Our castle gets scary looking spires.
Turn 6, 720AD
Elite gallic flawlessly kills longbow.
Send a slave towards the saltpeter so we can upgrade our defenders back home.
Knight flawlessly kills settler pair.
IBT-
Americans set down two more towns. They are filling in quite nicely, I am sad to say.
Aztecs settle where I wanted to choke point them; I'll have to send in another slave and make it a little higher up.
Alesia: Knight -> Knight.
Turn 7, 730AD
Elite gallic flawlessly kills longbow.
3/4 Knight flawlessly kills longbow and promotes.
IBT-
2 Ansars approach to reinforce Fez
Longbow redlines our gallic, but he retreats.
Turn 8, 740AD
4/5 Knight loses to a longbow in open field.
3/4 Knight kills it, -1HP.
Elite Knight kills Ansar in Fez, -2HP.
Elite Knight kills Ansar outside Fez flawlessly.
Make a fur colony, just in case we want to trade an extra
Ah, now this is funny... The incense I traded Germany to sign an MA got cut off the moment they declared war. Does that hurt us any? I hope not.
IBT-
An Ansar takes over the fur colony! They're right outside our borders.
Entremont: Knight -> Knight.
Lugdunum: Cat -> Pike.
Turn 9, 750AD
Automated Virus scan pops up and crashes the game. My comp is a mess right now.
Reload the autosave and replay the part of the turn I've already done.
Vet Knight kills the Ansar that came too close, -1HP.
Vet Knight kills Spear in Mosul, -2HP.
Elite Knight kills Spear in Mosul, -4HP and we burn the city.
Arabs have settled another town farther south, Aydab, by the dyes.
Slave builds a saltpeter colony.
Upgrade all pikes to muskets (150g) and switch Lugdunum from Pike to Musket.
4/5 Knight kills longbow, -1HP.
Elite knight redlines spear in Fez, and then loses 5 in a row.
Elite gallic finishes the deal flawlessly and we burn the city.
IBT-
Zulu ask our workers to leave.
Carthage tells us the RoP is over. Good, you're next.
America and Arabia sign MA against us.
Carthage signs MA against us!!!
Arab Longbow redlines a knight, but loses.
Ansar finishes the job, losing 2HP.
We lose two slaves and a cat to the Americans.
Turn 10, 760AD
Vet knight kills spear in Bulk, -2HP and promotes.
Elite knight retreats vs spear in Balkh, does -1HP.
Vet knight redlines and kills spear in Balkh.
3/5 knight kills longbow in Balkh, -1HP. We burn the city.
Both cats miss the musket in Shiraz; so i won't be attack that city this turn.
Vet knight kills Ansar south of Shiraz, -2HP and promotes.
I am going to leave it here. There are still many units to be moved.
Arabia will sign for peace and give us 10gpt, but we will not get any techs from them. However, I still think it's the best thing to do, as I doubt we can take on all three. (Maybe we can even sign Arabia against Carthage or America afterwards? I know, it's wishful thinking.)
America has our cat, an archer and a knight in our borders to be dealt with.
And the Germany vs Mongol fight seems to be a standstill; we've yet to see a Mongol attacker.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Well played Pin!
Well we are officially in a furball now.
Well we are officially in a furball now.
Gengis Khan
Deity
I'll say.
I'm not sure if Wiz or Yoshi is up?
I'm not sure if Wiz or Yoshi is up?
yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
I'am on vacation till monday may/24. So please skip me till than.
I think we should somehow try and clen the area that is being resettled all the time and then make peace with everyone but one. We could then try and wipe out the other civs one by one.
The hard side of this is, that the alliances etc are restricting us from making peace. And how could the area be cleaned properly without it being settled with someone else all the time?
We shold also try and keep the powerful AI's at war with each other to keep them from getting to strong.
But how that could be done... no idea. Everything would be easier with cavalries, but we re too small to keep up in techs and we would need to be at war with someone all the time to get the techs needed when making peace.
So, please post ideas & comments on what to do now and what to aim on. I know the main target is a cnquest victory, but some short-term targets that would help the main target would be easier to regognize.
The hard side of this is, that the alliances etc are restricting us from making peace. And how could the area be cleaned properly without it being settled with someone else all the time?
We shold also try and keep the powerful AI's at war with each other to keep them from getting to strong.
But how that could be done... no idea. Everything would be easier with cavalries, but we re too small to keep up in techs and we would need to be at war with someone all the time to get the techs needed when making peace.
So, please post ideas & comments on what to do now and what to aim on. I know the main target is a cnquest victory, but some short-term targets that would help the main target would be easier to regognize.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Short term I would try and do two things.
1. Consolidate your scattered forces into two or three concentrated tasks forces. Probably one to the east and two to the west.
2. I agree we need to start eliminating civs. If it is possible to fight a holding action in the west, I would concentrate on Mongolia and detroy them
1. Consolidate your scattered forces into two or three concentrated tasks forces. Probably one to the east and two to the west.
2. I agree we need to start eliminating civs. If it is possible to fight a holding action in the west, I would concentrate on Mongolia and detroy them
