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Ann Coulter: Genius or Insane?
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onejayhawk
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She is called on of the top 100 intellectuals because her arguments are very difficult to pick apart. Put it another way, she makes even the people that disagree with her think long and hard to find rebuttals. Still another way, because she writes very, very well. To denegrate her intelligence simply because she says things you disagree with is empty noise. She is bringing evidence and arguments to the table; you must do the same. For what its worth I dont agree with her either on most issues, but the fact that she has taken the unpopular side and made some points that stick firmly tells you all you should need to know.
Now this is disturbing. While she is not a professional looker, to deny that she is attractive in a severe way is ... poor judgement. Give what is due, where adn to whom it is due.
J
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Couldnt agree more. Even a pinko liberal like me has no problem appreciating her good looks. My dangly bits (as kafka2 would say) have no party affiliation. I actually find smart, good looking right wing broads to be a turn on.
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How is namecalling intelleuctual?
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It helps if you use an Oxford accent.
Pontiuth Pilate
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She is called on of the top 100 intellectuals because her arguments are very difficult to pick apart.
She makes arguments?
Put it another way, she makes even the people that disagree with her think long and hard to find rebuttals.
Doesn't lend credence to her "arguments" themselves - it means you need to know your stuff in order to know why she's wrong. Like Limbaugh's often touted theory [at least it was a few years ago] that volcanos cause all the chlorine in our atmosphere, not industry. Eventually some scientists or smart guy sunk to the level of watching his show, made it widely public that chlorine-compounds from volcanos are soluble [and therefore would fall with rain], and Limbaugh retreated that point. He didn't admit he was wrong, he just never mentioned it again.
Who knows how much other stuff these pundits - left and right - spout is total crap that they think they can pass off as accurate just because nobody bothers to go after them checking facts?
Sure, people have to "think long and hard" to "rebut Coulter's arguments". So the veracity of her arguments are now to be measured by the level of education you need to unravel her fraud? That's a pretty cynical view of politics, J.
Still another way, because she writes very, very well.
I think I could rise to the same level of literary genius if I stuck a rabies-infected pin halfway up my ass. She's a demagogue, not a writer. She uses emotional arguments, and when she does it's always used to cover up the fact she's wrong. Those are the tactics of a Hitler, not a Paine or a Jefferson.
the fact that she has taken the unpopular side and made some points that stick firmly tells you all you should need to know.
Franken has no excuse for writing idiotic, biased, and poorly researched political commentary, because he's a man. If Coulter was really so desperate for money, she could at least be a prostitute.
To be honest, seems to me she takes the extremist nonrational views because they sell better, not because she's stupid enough to believe in them.
While she is not a professional looker, to deny that she is attractive in a severe way is ... poor judgement.
And now we know the reason behind her political vituperation. She's neurasthenic.
Sorry, I prefer brunettes, not insipid blondes.
She makes arguments?
Put it another way, she makes even the people that disagree with her think long and hard to find rebuttals.
Doesn't lend credence to her "arguments" themselves - it means you need to know your stuff in order to know why she's wrong. Like Limbaugh's often touted theory [at least it was a few years ago] that volcanos cause all the chlorine in our atmosphere, not industry. Eventually some scientists or smart guy sunk to the level of watching his show, made it widely public that chlorine-compounds from volcanos are soluble [and therefore would fall with rain], and Limbaugh retreated that point. He didn't admit he was wrong, he just never mentioned it again.
Who knows how much other stuff these pundits - left and right - spout is total crap that they think they can pass off as accurate just because nobody bothers to go after them checking facts?
Sure, people have to "think long and hard" to "rebut Coulter's arguments". So the veracity of her arguments are now to be measured by the level of education you need to unravel her fraud? That's a pretty cynical view of politics, J.
Still another way, because she writes very, very well.
I think I could rise to the same level of literary genius if I stuck a rabies-infected pin halfway up my ass. She's a demagogue, not a writer. She uses emotional arguments, and when she does it's always used to cover up the fact she's wrong. Those are the tactics of a Hitler, not a Paine or a Jefferson.
the fact that she has taken the unpopular side and made some points that stick firmly tells you all you should need to know.
Franken has no excuse for writing idiotic, biased, and poorly researched political commentary, because he's a man. If Coulter was really so desperate for money, she could at least be a prostitute.
To be honest, seems to me she takes the extremist nonrational views because they sell better, not because she's stupid enough to believe in them.
While she is not a professional looker, to deny that she is attractive in a severe way is ... poor judgement.
And now we know the reason behind her political vituperation. She's neurasthenic.
Sorry, I prefer brunettes, not insipid blondes.
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Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
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Sorry, I prefer brunettes, not insipid blondes.
Some of my best friends are blondes.
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But she doesn't have one
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
It isnt. What is the relevance of the question?
J
onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
Yes. If you cant pick up that much, why enter the conversation. A little intellectual honesty is supposed to be given.
J
Pontiuth Pilate
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I suppose you would say that the Nativists, the Klan, and the American Alliance [neonazis] also make "arguments".
This looks like an ad hominem argument, but look at the stuff this woman has said. I'll let her words speak for themselves.
"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99
"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01
The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient"---syndicated column 10/29/99
To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC
"Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let's just call it for what it is. They're whores."---Salon.com 11/16/00
Juan Gonzales is "Cuba's answer to Joey Buttafuoco," a "miscreant," "sperm-donor," and a "poor man's Hugh Hefner."---Rivera Live 5/1/00
On Princess Diana's death: "Her children knew she's sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it's the definition of 'not a good mother.' ... Is everyone just saying here that it's okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?"..."[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional - I've never had bulimia! I've never had an affair! I've never had a divorce! So I don't think she's better than I am."---MSNBC 9/12/97
"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."---Hannity & Colmes, 8/17/99
"I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote."---Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01
"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."---George, 7/99
"Clinton is in love with the erect penis."---This Evening with Judith Regan, Fox News Channel 2/6/00
"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."---Politically Incorrect 5/7/97
"If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it."---MSNBC 7/27/97
"If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns."---Politically Incorrect, 12/18/97
"The presumption of innocence only means you don't go right to jail."---Hannity & Colmes 8/24/01
"Originally, I was the only female with long blonde hair. Now, they all have long blonde hair."---CapitolHillBlue.com 6/6/00
"I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."---TV Guide 8/97
"Anorexics never have boyfriends. ... That's one way to know you don't have anorexia, if you have a boyfriend."---Politically Incorrect 7/21/97
"I think [Whitewater]'s going to prevent the First Lady from running for Senate."---Rivera Live 3/12/99
"My track record is pretty good on predictions."---Rivera Live 12/8/98
"The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals."---Washington Post 8/1/00
"The swing voters---I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster. "---Beyond the News, Fox News Channel, 6/4/00
[NB: otherwise you write idiotic political commentary?]
"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."---MSNBC 2/8/97
"You want to be careful not to become just a blowhard."---Washington Po
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
Her words were applauded by National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, and Lynne Cheney (wife of Vice President Cheney), all of whom were in attendance.
Some quotes from Brian Lamb's Booknotes interview with Coulter (Aug 11):
COULTER: There is no serious dialogue or engagement of ideas between the left and the right in this country.
...and that is because...
COULTER: There are no good Democrats.
"I love Texas Republicans!" she said. "They're these beautiful women, they're so great-looking, they're completely loaded. They're dripping in this gorgeous jewelry, they're really funny and sarcastic and smart. Americans are so cool, and they're such parochial idiots here in New York."
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
Coulter says of the Kennedys:
"This is as we have come to expect from a family of heroin addicts, statutory rapists, convicted and unconvicted female-killers, cheaters, bootleggers and dissolute drunks known as "Camelot." Why would anyone want such people as their "good friends"?"
That's a cursory list, J.
This looks like an ad hominem argument, but look at the stuff this woman has said. I'll let her words speak for themselves.
"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."---Rivera Live 8/2/99
"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01
The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient"---syndicated column 10/29/99
To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC
"Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let's just call it for what it is. They're whores."---Salon.com 11/16/00
Juan Gonzales is "Cuba's answer to Joey Buttafuoco," a "miscreant," "sperm-donor," and a "poor man's Hugh Hefner."---Rivera Live 5/1/00
On Princess Diana's death: "Her children knew she's sleeping with all these men. That just seems to me, it's the definition of 'not a good mother.' ... Is everyone just saying here that it's okay to ostentatiously have premarital sex in front of your children?"..."[Diana is] an ordinary and pathetic and confessional - I've never had bulimia! I've never had an affair! I've never had a divorce! So I don't think she's better than I am."---MSNBC 9/12/97
"I think there should be a literacy test and a poll tax for people to vote."---Hannity & Colmes, 8/17/99
"I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote."---Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01
"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."---George, 7/99
"Clinton is in love with the erect penis."---This Evening with Judith Regan, Fox News Channel 2/6/00
"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."---Politically Incorrect 5/7/97
"If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it."---MSNBC 7/27/97
"If those kids had been carrying guns they would have gunned down this one [child] gunman. ... Don't pray. Learn to use guns."---Politically Incorrect, 12/18/97
"The presumption of innocence only means you don't go right to jail."---Hannity & Colmes 8/24/01
"Originally, I was the only female with long blonde hair. Now, they all have long blonde hair."---CapitolHillBlue.com 6/6/00
"I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."---TV Guide 8/97
"Anorexics never have boyfriends. ... That's one way to know you don't have anorexia, if you have a boyfriend."---Politically Incorrect 7/21/97
"I think [Whitewater]'s going to prevent the First Lady from running for Senate."---Rivera Live 3/12/99
"My track record is pretty good on predictions."---Rivera Live 12/8/98
"The thing I like about Bush is I think he hates liberals."---Washington Post 8/1/00
"The swing voters---I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster. "---Beyond the News, Fox News Channel, 6/4/00
[NB: otherwise you write idiotic political commentary?]
"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."---MSNBC 2/8/97
"You want to be careful not to become just a blowhard."---Washington Po
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
Her words were applauded by National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice, Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson, and Lynne Cheney (wife of Vice President Cheney), all of whom were in attendance.
Some quotes from Brian Lamb's Booknotes interview with Coulter (Aug 11):
COULTER: There is no serious dialogue or engagement of ideas between the left and the right in this country.
...and that is because...
COULTER: There are no good Democrats.
"I love Texas Republicans!" she said. "They're these beautiful women, they're so great-looking, they're completely loaded. They're dripping in this gorgeous jewelry, they're really funny and sarcastic and smart. Americans are so cool, and they're such parochial idiots here in New York."
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."
Coulter says of the Kennedys:
"This is as we have come to expect from a family of heroin addicts, statutory rapists, convicted and unconvicted female-killers, cheaters, bootleggers and dissolute drunks known as "Camelot." Why would anyone want such people as their "good friends"?"
That's a cursory list, J.
Drewcifer
Agent of Karma
Some of my best friends are insipid.Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
Sorry, I prefer brunettes, not insipid blondes.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
All right, I retract the blond comment. I know plenty of intelligent blonds, I wasn't enabling the old stereotypes
Archer 007
Rebirth
Because that's about all she knows how to do.
TrailblazingScot
I was kittenOFchaos
Insane? Genius? Nope.
Nasty.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
I forgot this one when I made the thread. Its such a shame - it reveals what a maniac she is.
Now I know what we should do with the duct tape that Homeland Security suggested we buy.
Archer 007
Rebirth
I really dont see how bigots like her get press time.
TrailblazingScot
I was kittenOFchaos
Because this sort of clap-trap appeals to a large audience in the States
The embodiment of such crap is Donald Rumsfield who I detest absolutely.
Maj
Emperor
Having alienated minorities, women, liberals, environmentalists and the world outside American borders I'd say her politics are presented by media outlets for the benefit of their pocketbooks. As P2 has already stated, she's a demagogue. Her arguments serve little intellectual meat and what little they do contain are wrapped in layers of inflammatory remarks aimed at eliciting intense rage in her opponents. She plays its cool and calm while her debating partner fights the urge to choke the ***** with her microphone cord.
Her political ideologies would seem to place her well right of conservative and under the reactionary column. She wants to bring the world back a good five or six centuries. Or maybe just five or six decades ... and a quick trip to the Berlin and Rome of that era.
What concerns me is not so much what she's saying, but who's listening. If the United States economy continues its course along these current fiscal duldrums and terrorism once more rears its ugly head within her borders, people like Ann Coulter can and will rise to the forefront of the political scene with the types of arguments that appeal to people's emotions, not their reasoning.
As much as humankind would like to pride itself on having achieved such great heights in rationalism, we're still very much prisoners of our own emotions. Ann Coulter is a very clever warden.
Her political ideologies would seem to place her well right of conservative and under the reactionary column. She wants to bring the world back a good five or six centuries. Or maybe just five or six decades ... and a quick trip to the Berlin and Rome of that era.
What concerns me is not so much what she's saying, but who's listening. If the United States economy continues its course along these current fiscal duldrums and terrorism once more rears its ugly head within her borders, people like Ann Coulter can and will rise to the forefront of the political scene with the types of arguments that appeal to people's emotions, not their reasoning.
As much as humankind would like to pride itself on having achieved such great heights in rationalism, we're still very much prisoners of our own emotions. Ann Coulter is a very clever warden.
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