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[Partizanac]

1. just European Advantage cause only European Countries got something from the "New" World.
2. I agree with storm, no gunpowder!
3. I think its excellent but keep it up to date!
4. Both
5. I say put the Germans in for Anglo-Saxons??? or any other germanic civ...

 

[Stormrage]

Well. aren`t there some theories that the Chines, or the Japanese, or whoever, discovered the New World even before the Vikings?

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

If you're referring to the "1421: The Year China Discovered America" thing, that is still more hypothesis than theory since there isn't enough evidence to back up such claims. There are claims, however, of an early Chinese map that strangely shows the western coastline of what looks like the Americas. If the Chinese did pursue exploration much more zealously (before internal troubles prompted them to suspend expeditions), it's possible that they could have made it to the Americas given that East Asian naval technology was highly advanced.

 

[Gen. Rommel]

Yes, there is some theories claiming that Chinese boats were already sailing all the way to South America at a much earlier date than the European super powers, however, not much evidence exists except for some Chinese maps detailing the Americas quite vividly. Unfortunately, I believe I read somewhere that the authenticity of these maps is questionable (I can't remember why though).

However, this time period most presumably does NOT predate the Viking discovery of Greenland. They were there (the Americas, that is) before even the Chinese.

EDIT: crosspost with Ogedei...should have known he'd strike first hehe.

 

[Virote_Considon]

If you were to add the Germanics, would you by any chance require a Frankish Swordsman? (It's all rendered out, it currently just needs a palette, pedia icons, and turning into a .flc)...

The spoiler contains one of the storyboards as a kinda preview...

Spoiler :

 

[Ogedei_the_Mad]

There's also a whole bunch of theories out there on the question of who got to the "New World" first, including some that suggest that Romans made it to the Americas and that West Africans or ancient Egyptians might have contacted the Olmecs or early Maya.

 

[Stormrage]

aargh, Virote, do something about his feet, he looks like smurf!

 

[Virote_Considon]

Maybe he is a smurf

 

[Plotinus]

If the conspiracists are to be believed, Columbus was the last person on the planet not to know about the Americas...

 

[TopGun]

aargh, Virote, do something about his feet, he looks like smurf!

Just don't give the Germanics blue as Civ Color and you're OK. I "always" make the Germans black, so there's no problem.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

If you were to add the Germanics, would you by any chance require a Frankish Swordsman? (It's all rendered out, it currently just needs a palette, pedia icons, and turning into a .flc)...

The spoiler contains one of the storyboards as a kinda preview...

Spoiler :

Looks like he needs "Rob's generic pallette" - I've used it for a few ancient units without any probs.

 

[Virote_Considon]

Thanks. That should make things easier!

 

[Blue Monkey]

After fiddling around with various combinations of civs & maps in order to get a sense of the mod & especially how the Indian civs "feel" I decided to finally settle down & play a game start to finish. I decided to play on a huge 80% water archipelago, warm & wet to get that Indian Ocean feel. I'm playing as the Chola. The other three Indian civs are in (hope to get & keep them friendly for most of the game), and just for fun the other civs are all and only those with the seafaring trait. Here's a screenie of my nascent empire. Hope I can settle those little islands before the neighboring Jutes.

I'm not intending to post a play-by-play, but only a few highlights & questions/bug reports.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I look forward to hearing about your exploits!

In other news, I'm spending some time updating the website. Recent updates include the Brigantians, Hyksos and Norse in detail plus a page showing some of the civilizations in contention for future BIQs. Click on the link in my signature if you fancy having a look .

 

[Gen. Rommel]

I looked through the Coming Soon! section and was a bit saddened not to see neither a Germanic nor a Yamato civ in consideration for future biqs. Will this stay?

BTW, the Alemanni leaderhead doesn't look very German. I'd recommend opting for a different head there.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I looked through the Coming Soon! section and was a bit saddened not to see neither a Germanic nor a Yamato civ in consideration for future biqs. Will this stay?

BTW, the Alemanni leaderhead doesn't look very German. I'd recommend opting for a different head there.

The Yamato are going to be in there, don't worry . You say there's no Germanic civ, then mention the Alemanni who are being considered, along with the Marcomanni. The Franks are there (but let's not start that debate...) Another consideration I had, though without a leaderhead to go with it, is the Teutons. The list on the website is not exhaustive.

 

[Gen. Rommel]

You say there's no Germanic civ, then mention the Alemanni

Well, of course the Alemanni are a Germanic civ...but then again, so are the Anglo-Saxons, which are already in the mod. I was thinking of a more "general" Germanic civ rather than one encompassing a very specific tribe of the Germanic cultural group. The same has been done with the Slavs afterall (which are now less specific and instead lumped into one all encompassing civ). But if of course you don't like that, by all means do what you feel best.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Well, of course the Alemanni are a Germanic civ...but then again, so are the Anglo-Saxons, which are already in the mod. I was thinking of a more "general" Germanic civ rather than one encompassing a very specific tribe of the Germanic cultural group. The same has been done with the Slavs afterall (which are now less specific and instead lumped into one all encompassing civ). But if of course you don't like that, by all means do what you feel best.

To be honest, my intention when I started off this mod was to concentrate on small tribes - so instead of the Gauls, we'd have the Arverni, allowing the possibility of other Gallic tribes. This still is a possiblility, of course, by just renaming the Gauls, as Vercingetorix was of the Arverni IIRC. This is also why there's the Iceni and Brigantia (and soon potentially to be the Coritani and Iona) instead of "the Britons". Obviously, in terms of this outlook, I completely blew it with the Slavs...

 

[Gen. Rommel]

In that case, may I suggest that you use one of the following for one of the main Germanic representatives:

- Alamanni and Teutons (as you have listed on your site)

- Turingii/Thuringii (Doringe) - Some good information that will help with creating advantages and strengths for this civ :
Turingii/Thuringii were excellent horsemen, either evidencing relations to the steppe people of the East or that the Turingii confederation included people that migrated to their area from the steppes. Their practice of inhumation (inhumation burials rather than cremation) and horse burials indicates a relationship with the East or that the confederation included those from the East--probably both. The Turingii included members of other tribes that were part of the Chernyakhovsk culture.

- Batavii: The Batavi tribe, originally part of the Chatti, migrated between 100 BC and 50 BC from North Hessen to an "island" (now called "Betuwe") between the Waal and Rhine Rivers in the Roman province of Lower Germany. They were excellent horsemen. Today the area includes Rotterdam, Sleidrecht, Geldermalsen and Tiel in the Netherlands. The Batavii tribe was mentioned in The Notitia Dignitatum of the 5th Century AD. The Batavians revolted in 69 AD under the Batavian leader called Gaius (or Claudius) Julius Civilis ("Julius Civilis") near the border between Germany and the Netherlands, near Nijmegen (their capital back then was called Noviomagus Batavodurum).

- Cherusci: a germanic tribe settled around the Rhine and the forests of western Germany. Were principals in the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest in 9 AD. Arminius, a Cherusci leader, wiped out three Roman legions under Varus. (this is one of my prefered ones)

Just some ideas I'm throwing out there. I know you'll make the right decision either way, and you did have a good point with wanting to stress smaller tribes more.

 

[Stormrage]

I think it should be the Alemanni..