Anno Domini beta : test it and feed back here!!

[RedAlert]

What's going on lately? What's all this about new civs / asian civs?

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

What's going on lately? What's all this about new civs / asian civs?

You can't just disappear for a month and come back suddenly and expect everyone to answer all your questions !!

I'm currently working on different versions of the mod to be released together, so that people have the opportunity to play a full variety of civs with various different advantages. Just accept it'll be fun!

 

[RedAlert]

You can't just disappear for a month and come back suddenly and expect everyone to answer all your questions !!

Sorry! I looked through the last couple of pages but still didn't feel like I got it. Call me slow

I'm currently working on different versions of the mod to be released together, so that people have the opportunity to play a full variety of civs with various different advantages. Just accept it'll be fun!

Oooh cool. Just guessing by the civs being discussed -- will one version be about east asia and another about northern europe?

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Sorry! I looked through the last couple of pages but still didn't feel like I got it. Call me slow

Tch...only teasing though!

Oooh cool. Just guessing by the civs being discussed -- will one version be about east asia and another about northern europe?

Well, there's one version that basically could be called "the East" and another that will feature minor tribes of Northern Europe.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Could anyone help with a Batavii city list? I looked on the Civ IV forums, as someone had done a Batavii civ there, but it seemed like the cities were mainly Roman names and they said they'd used cities from neighbouring tribes as well. I've got these myself so far - please firstly see if these look okay and, if possible, add to the list. A lot of current cities in Holland were founded after the Batavii were around.

Nijmegen
Maastrict
Utrecht
Xanten
Cologne
Voorburg
Ganuenta
Neuss
Bonn
Valkenburg
Krefeld
Arnhem
Trier
Elst

 

[Blue Monkey]

Cologne is the French version. Köln is the German; I have a feeling the Batavii would be closer to that.

 

[RedAlert]

Could anyone help with a Batavii city list? I looked on the Civ IV forums, as someone had done a Batavii civ there, but it seemed like the cities were mainly Roman names and they said they'd used cities from neighbouring tribes as well. I've got these myself so far - please firstly see if these look okay and, if possible, add to the list. A lot of current cities in Holland were founded after the Batavii were around.

Nijmegen
Maastrict
Utrecht
Xanten
Cologne
Voorburg
Ganuenta
Neuss
Bonn
Valkenburg
Krefeld
Arnhem
Trier
Elst

I looked around for a couple of hours and here's what I've come up with:
Most of the cities in your list seem to have been founded originally by the Romans, some other Germanic (or even Celtic) tribe, or had not been founded at the time. Many of them, however, were in some way subject to the Batavians during the Batavian rebellion under Gaius Julius Civilis. I have made an alternative city list of settlements during the rebellion, including:
- Batavian settlements
- Settlements of tribes allied to / subject to the Batavians
- Roman settlements or camps occupied by the Batavians
- Settlements or camps destroyed during the rebellion
- Sites of Battles involving the Batavians

So, here's the list:
- Batavodurum / Oppidum Batavorum / Noviomagnus / Nijmegen (Batavian Capital)
- Traiectum / Utrecht (Roman abandoned / destroyed camp)
- Praetorium Agrippinae / Valkenburg (Destroyed by the Cananefates, Batavian allies)
- Castra Vetera / Xanten (Roman Garrison captured by the Batavians)
- Krefeld (Site of Batavian defeat)
- Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium / Köln (Captured by the Batavians)
- Traiectum ad Mosam / Maastricht (Site of Batavian victory)
- Atuatuca / Tongeren (Sacked by Batavians)
- Lugdunum / Brittenburg (Cananefate town, Batavian allies)
- Matilo / Leiden-Roomburg (Cananefate town, Batavian allies)
- Municipium Cananefatium / Forum Hadriani / Voorburg (Cananefate capital, Batavian allies)
- Cibernodorum (Cugerni capital, Batavian allies)
- Novaesium / Neuss (Destroyed)

You'll notice most of the places have more than one name. The first ones are usually the original (though apparently latinized) names, or Roman names. The second ones are generally more modern names not used at the time. Depending on what you want to go with - Original vs. Roman vs. Modern names, I can update the list for you, or you can pick and choose which version sounds best in each case. The list is (mostly) in no particular order.
I can't guarantee the accuracy of all this (I knew nothing about the Batavians before a couple hours ago), so it would be great if anyone else could do some digging as well.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Cool!! A huge thanks for that info. What I think I'll do is add any of the missing ones to the list and see what else I can dig up from the 'net tonight.

 

[Gen. Rommel]

Krefeld!!! Hahaha, that's where I'm from. Sweet to see my damn city represented for once (although it is a sucky city ). I need to move to Düsseldorf soon...

I'd like to see the German spellings myself (Nijmegen would in that case be Nimwegen, and it's in fact only 20 minutes from my city to there). But I may just be a bit bias there. Of course, I could see where the Roman names would prove more interesting...

...but for god's sake, do not call Köln, Cologne! It's firmly in German hands afterall.

 

[Blue Monkey]

...but for god's sake, do not call Köln, Cologne! It's firmly in German hands afterall.

(jetzt? zurzeit? kürzlich?) Anyway, I believe the Treaty of Verdun falls a little late for the mod ... unless it were made a cultural group specific victory path.

 

[RedAlert]

Cool!! A huge thanks for that info. What I think I'll do is add any of the missing ones to the list and see what else I can dig up from the 'net tonight.

No Problem

Krefeld!!! Hahaha, that's where I'm from. Sweet to see my damn city represented for once (although it is a sucky city ). I need to move to Düsseldorf soon...

I thought I recognised the name Krefeld.

 

[Hrafnkell]

Hey Rob, got a few more Batavian cities for you. I went through Tacitus' Histories and here is what I found (they are all cities along the Rhine in the vicinity of the revolt, 69-70). It ain't much but it should help:

Arenacum (modern Rindern)
Gelduba (modern Gellep bei Krefeld)
Tolbiacum (modern Zülpich)
Marcodurum (modern Düren)
Asciburgium (modern Asberg)

By the way, I downloaded Anno Domini Classic Beta and the first thing that struck me was the terrain. Very trippy to look at though after a couple of hours my eyes adjusted The only real problem I noticed with it is that the wheat resource is almost invisible on the flood plain until it's irrigated.

I am playing as Harappa and so far it is quite enjoyable. The quantity of flavor units and the tech tree make it a very enjoyable experience. Fought a brief and successful war against the Byzantines and now am facing the Celtiberian avalanche...those invisible units...well, I was not quite prepared for them. That's quite an advantage and I'm finding that my front line is less tangible than I at first imagined.

All in all great job, and well worth the wait! Thanks for putting all this time and effort into this mod. Along with Embryodead's MEM it really helps keep C3C alive and fresh. Don't know that I'll ever need to buy Civ IV at this rate.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Hrafnkell, it's really nice to hear from you! Thanks for the extra cities for the Batavii, I was struggling a bit there, but if I add your cities plus some from the Civ IV Batavii list that I didn't put in before, then I think we'll have a decent number of city names.

I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying the mod and thanks for your comments about the terrain, etc....but playing as the Harappa? I'd have thought you'd have gone straight for the Norse !!

 

[Hrafnkell]

LOL Yeah, the reason I went for the Harappa was that I wanted to try a Civ-type I would normally NOT play in order to get a better feel for the game. I figured if I enjoyed it as a bunch of agriculturalists, then it would be a sound test. So I picked the Harappans because they seemed the most "un-Norse" civ in the game.

By the way, those invisible Celtiberians are nasty, nasty, nasty. I finally had to make peace with the creeps because they were all over my rear areas, and my reinforcements were being picked off on their way to the front lines.

I noticed a couple of things as well that I am not sure are intentional:

1) Both Indian Tool Age Spearman and Indian Spearman upgrade to Indian Guard. I expected Tool Age Spearman to upgrade to Indian Spearman. Instead, I had to keep them in the field halfway thru Anno Incepti....was this intentional?

2) I can build both Smelter and Weaponsmith, which duplicate each others functions: both upgrade units and both produce veteran units. Did you mean them to overlap?

If I think of anything else, I'll post it but this is it for now. Great mod, as I said. Am having lots of fun. I really don't know why anybody would invest money in Civ IV (from all I've read about it here) when they can play C3C!

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

1) Both Indian Tool Age Spearman and Indian Spearman upgrade to Indian Guard. I expected Tool Age Spearman to upgrade to Indian Spearman. Instead, I had to keep them in the field halfway thru Anno Incepti....was this intentional?

That isn't intentional - I'll have to look into that.

2) I can build both Smelter and Weaponsmith, which duplicate each others functions: both upgrade units and both produce veteran units. Did you mean them to overlap?

That actually is intentional. In an ideal world, I'd have used the "replace buildings with this flag checked," but I'm using that for courthouse-type buildings. The weaponsmith can only be built if there's iron in the city radius and doesn't cost any maintainance - the smelter doesn't require iron in the city radius, but costs 1 gold per turn. That's the difference.

If I think of anything else, I'll post it but this is it for now. Great mod, as I said. Am having lots of fun. I really don't know why anybody would invest money in Civ IV (from all I've read about it here) when they can play C3C!

I'm really glad you're enjoying it!!

 

[Ares de Borg]

Krefeld? That's roughly half an hour car trip from where I live...

Looking forward to more ADC expansions! Let's beat the hell out of the Dutch... err... I mean. *cough*

 

[Hrafnkell]

Rob, I noticed I was able to upgrade my slave workers to Harappan workers for a cost of "0" gold...is this an unexpected bonus? I'm not complaining mind you...

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Rob, I noticed I was able to upgrade my slave workers to Harappan workers for a cost of "0" gold...is this an unexpected bonus? I'm not complaining mind you...

mmm....interesting!! I wonder why that is?

 

[TopGun]

Yeah I noticed that too in my current game as the Celtiberians. Pretty nice feat....

BTW, the Celtiberians are a cool civ to play with. The invisible flag is very helpful. More than once, my belligerent neighbors (the Spartans) were taken by surprise. They get their butt kicked every time they declare war on me - despite having local, numerical superiority. I have gained three armies out of these wars and made them fast formations (one: Celtiberian Chariots, two: Celtiberian Horsemen, three: Celtiberian Riders.) Sweet. Feels like I have three Panzerdivisions at my disposal and my name's Guderian.

 

[Hrafnkell]

I'll have to try the Celtiberians sometime. During a period of peace I built a wall along my border with them to keep out those invisible intruders and that's worked very well. When I finally went back to war with them I was more than ready. They're nipping at my wall but haven't broken through yet and I just have to remember to "patrol aggressively" by attacking/moving into empty squares where I suspect they might be.