Another Civ

[Soundwαvє ▼]

Ok... I know that most you are tired of tired saying, hey put this civ or put that leader... this civ should be divided, etc.

But I think that Brazil should appear as a civilization since that South America just has one civ (Incas) and even that Incas were powerful culturally and scientifically, I think that Brazil has a great power here in South America and in reality it has kinda of influence in the whole world. Also the Leader is good, it can have even two leaders (João Pedro and Lula).

Brazil involved in wars in past by the 18th and 19th century, also helped in WW2 with supplies and a small army.

Why Africa has two Civs and South America has just one? Also they should include in the other civ that when you declare independence the name changes according to the Nation. England -> Canada or USA, Spain -> Colombia, Venezuela, Paraguay, Argentina, etc, Portugal -> Brazil, France -> Haiti, Canada, Saint Domingo. Sorry if I put something wrong.

So what you think?

 

[Camikaze]

You know, I agree that South America should have another civ. But I don't think it should be Brazil. I would be much more in favour of a Bolivarian civ (whatever you want to call it), led by Simon Bolivar. It makes quite a bit of sense.

 

[Soundwαvє ▼]

Simon Bolivar was a great Leader... but he don't fits at all because he was Venezuelan and then helped other countries to declare independence, he didn't consolidate his civilization or lead it to a better level, just fight for freedom from the Spain.

On other side Brazil Spread the Christanism to several cities and tribes (even in the amazon), the Bandeirantes did expeditions to the heart of the continent... He had super productions with coffee and sugar... He had Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish colonies at the start and then Africans, Germans and Italians come here where you can find any group or ''race you want''.

About wars, Brazil tends to be a peaceful nation but in the Imperial era we had wars against Paraguay... that started when Brazil Attacks Uruguay and then Paraguay attacks Brazil, and Argentina helps Brazil... it was the largest conflict in the South America...

About today Brazil has a position of mediator and helper, almost nobody hates Brazil (I could say nobody)... just that we are approximating with Venezuela and that's not good, anyway we now discovered huge Oil reserves in our coast...

So I think you should consider it!
TA

 

[Camikaze]

A Bolivarian Civ would be a bit of a gimmick civ like the Aztecs or the Celts, but I think it better to have a Civ representing a number of different South American countries with a common thread of involving Simon Bolivar. Brazil is important, sure, but if you are looking for a new leader for South America, Bolivar is the obvious choice, and so a Bolivarian Civ (because I can think of no better name) would be the logical conclusion to follow.

 

[moscaverde]

Actually, there shouldn't be more civs from South America. Brazil is too young and its significance is something new. I agree with Camikaze that, if one more civ from SA must be put in the game, it should be the bolivarian one.

The points you gave about why Brazil should be a civ can be said of many other nations (Australia for example). And the african continent certainly deserve more attention than SA, as their civs are/were much older thar ours.

 

[Soundwαvє ▼]

The American Civ is so young as Brazil... but I agree about Australia and other civs.

So leave aside

 

[killmeplease]

lets dream what UU/UB there could be for Bolivia civ?
im not familiar with south america history, only things come to mind when i think of it are carnaval, soap opera tv serials, dictators, bananas, cocaine, footbal, samba, rumba, cha cha cha may sound ignorant, but that's i know! have to read something about it.

 

[eduhum]

In Africa there are 5 civs, not 2

 

[Soundwαvє ▼]

lets dream what UU/UB there could be for Bolivia civ?
im not familiar with south america history, only things come to mind when i think of it are carnaval, soap opera tv serials, dictators, bananas, cocaine, footbal, samba, rumba, cha cha cha may sound ignorant, but that's i know! have to read something about it.

Most of those things are from Brazil, some was from Brazil and some Brazil is the best at...

I'll do a fast search to see what I can do about UU's and UB's.

 

[Dumanios]

Brazilian Leaderedro II
Brazilian UU:Bandeirante(Replaces Explorer, Can attack)
Brazilian UB:Futbol Stadium(Replaces Colosseum,+1 )

 

[Soundwαvє ▼]

Yeah, Brazil settings (UU's, UB's and Leaders) are really easy to do...
But another point in favor of Brazil is that in reality Bolivia had Inca Culture, not exactly but Incas conquered that region what means that Bolivia Belongs to Inca.
Brazil had the Tupi culture that spread to the coast and Amazon so I think that in the start we should look like natives, then europeans invade and founded Brazil, in reality our Nation has a long history, but just excel now.

Our culture also are unique...

Anyway I'm too influenced because I'm brazillian so please discuss it.

 

[killmeplease]

futbol stadium sounds boring as its just another colosseum-based UB. also having futbol stadium in BCs is a bit odd

bandeirantes explorer-UU i think could be cool. i've read here that they searched for precious metals and slaves.. so maybe an explorer that can attack and also can enslave barbs (making workers of them).

 

[Eklabiaan]

Brazil would be a good choice to fill positions for a modern scenario, just like Argentina and other modern countries in South America. To use them as civilizations starting in 6000 BC would be a bit anachronistic. Just as it is anachronistic to play a game with the Netherlands, England, France and so on, starting in the ancient era when these peoples did not exist.
But that is only a theoretic, historically correctness argument. I don't mind playing Civ as Elisabeth I way before she or her country did even exist.

But why not look for ancient indian tribes or civilizations to get more civ's for South America. This wikipedia page shows a long list of tribes, of which some created kingdoms and empires.
Using one of these tribes would create a truly what-if history in your game.

 

[Takhisis]

No way, not in the epic game, but it could go in for a modern scenario.

 

[Soundwαvє ▼]

They start at 4000BC and if USA and England, but the game is this way if they adapt it like Rhye's and Fall of Civilization mod, then I think that would be no problem...

 

[moscaverde]

About the american civ, they don't need much justification, but 25% of all world economy is sufficient I believe.
Don't get me wrong, I too would like my civ in the game, but other are more important imo.

 

[Takhisis]

England has existed for more than a thousand years now, but the USA have existed for less than 300 years. They were added because Sid wanted to play his own country.

 

[killmeplease]

there are many civs in the game which history was not long. who cares how many centuries one or another civ existed? I dont give a damn about it. what is important is an impact a particular nation/state had on the history of world's civilization. and usa is not the last here.

 

[awesome]

i'd say that manuel deodoro would be a better choice for brazil's leader, only because the name pedro looks too much like peter.

as for america being in there, look at our history, though brief, as pertains to things significant to civ games:
first successful revolutionary war in history; currently one of the biggest, strongest, richest and thus most influential countries in the countries in the world and finally, tons of units (such as the icbm) and wonders (such as wall street) that are in the game.

 

[Takhisis]

Hmmm... first successful revolutionary war in history??????? WHAT????? There have been countless empires and colonies before the British Empire and the USA...
Note: please, don't take this badly and/or as a personal attack on the US, I'm just trying to make a point.
All those units you mention were added by Americans, yes, in a game which has generic units for the first two ages (America didn't exist) and suddenly expanded on the Modern Age units. 'Spearmen'? 'Archers'? 'Swordsmen'? What? There've been thousands of different weapons and that's all you can come up with?
How come ancient and mediæval trade are so dreadfully underrepresented? Less is not more in this kind of situation.