AP source: Census worker hanged with 'fed' on body

[Counterclaw]

looks like homeland security was right; right-wing terrorism is up. round 'em up.

What justification do you have for calling for anyone to be rounded up?
We do not know who perpetrated the crime, whether or not they were conservative or what group they belong to. You are entitled to your opinion, but calling for
right-wingers to be rounded up before you even know a right-winger was involved is the sort of hysteria we can do without. The person responsible should be brought to justice. I agree that the death penalty is in order here, but you take things too far.

 

[Ecofarm]

Bill is being facetious, he's often so (though he is a lefty).

I put this thread away last page.

 

[Counterclaw]

My bad. Sorry about that.

 

[Patroklos]

After reading some posts on poly I have come to the opinion that this is probably just a guy knocking on the wrong door at the wrong time.

This is rural Kentucky we are talking about, and according to the law enforcement of Clay county it is a hotbed of moonshining and drug smuggling for this reason. For obvious reasons, a lot of those people don't particularly care for authority of any kind. I am not saying this for certain, but it is a very likely possibility.

 

[I'm Cleo!]

Unbelievable. I guess this is the logical conclusion of the anti-federal government sentiment growing in this country, but I didn't think people would be brave enough to murder government workers.

Why not?

Cleo

 

[Phlegmak]

Why not?

Cleo

I was expecting that as a response. My thinking is probably wrong, but I think of the Oklahoma City bombing as a terrorist action. You know, a sort of singular thing done by a crazy person. I see the hanging fed worker as the result of nonstop conservative propaganda, and is done by "ordinary" people.

 

[JollyRoger]

I've hung around enough birther sites to see how the craziness is moving from just dissatification that Obama won to a potentially more violent reaction. The orginal birthers are now being influenced by the sovereign movement types and the tone has gotten more violent over the past few months. I sure hope Homeland Security is following the escalation of chatter among these nutcases.

 

[I'm Cleo!]

I was expecting that as a response. My thinking is probably wrong, but I think of the Oklahoma City bombing as a terrorist action. You know, a sort of singular thing done by a crazy person. I see the hanging fed worker as the result of nonstop conservative propaganda, and is done by "ordinary" people.

It's not like McVeigh and Nichols were lone wolves. McVeigh was part of the militia culture, was involved in radical anti-anti-gun* activities and dabbled in white supremacy. "Nonstop [anti-government] conservative propaganda" was part of American political culture in the 1990s, too.

Cleo

*Awkward construction, but you know what I mean, right?

 

[Bugfatty300]

McVeigh and Nichols acted alone. Period.

They were never part of any militia that I know of.

Edit: Apparently McVeigh was never a part of any right-wing organization other than the NRA for a brief period.

"Militia movement" is a misnomer BTW.

 

[bhsup]

I hate that you all consider all the militia to be fringe anti-government organizations. There are loyal militias out there, you know.

 

[Dachs]

I hate that you all consider all the militia to be fringe anti-government organizations. There are loyal militias out there, you know.

Loyal to whom? The state government, like you, or the federal government?

 

[Cutlass]

I hate that you all consider all the militia to be fringe anti-government organizations. There are loyal militias out there, you know.

Loyal to who?

 

[Dachs]

Loyal to who?

Dude, don't do that. It creeps me out when we think the same way.

 

[.Shane.]

There are loyal militias out there, you know.

Oh, you mean the National Guard? Because that is the only legitimate "militia".

 

[Bugfatty300]

Oh, you mean the National Guard? Because that is the only legitimate "militia".

There are several legitimate state militias still in existence.

 

[Patroklos]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Light_Infantry

An interesting bit of history to strike down Shane's trolling...

Following the American Revolutionary War, tensions lingered between the fledgling United States and Great Britain, and many Americans feared another war. In cities across the new country, citizens organized themselves into private militia groups. Several were established in Charleston, including the Washington Light Artillery, which was named for George Washington. The company was first mustered into active service during the War of 1812, but did not see combat as British troops did not invade South Carolina. In 1827, the widow of Colonel William Washington presented the company with his old Revolutionary War battleflag.

 

[BSmith1068]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Light_Infantry

An interesting bit of history to strike down Shane's trolling...

This would be the key paragraph to highlight from your link:

Following the armistice, the National Guard reorganized, and many of the state militia units were redesignated. The Washington Light Infantry became Company B of the 118th Infantry, South Carolina National Guard. In May 1921, the unit guarded ships and docks on behalf of the United States Shipping Board during a bitter dispute between sailors and shipping companies over wages.

 

[Patroklos]

That they are now a part of the national guard is immaterial to the fact that they were formed independant of both the South Carolina and Federal government and were recognized as independant and legally constituted for over a century by both.

 

[Dachs]

That they are now a part of the national guard is immaterial to the fact that they were formed independant of both the South Carolina and Federal government and were recognized as independant and legally constituted for over a century by both.

That was because the National Guard didn't exist in the form in which it is now constituted. The original point that Shane was making, that the National Guard is the only legitimate militia, remains unaddressed by that particular factoid you brought up.

 

[Patroklos]

That was because the National Guard didn't exist in the form in which it is now constituted. The original point that Shane was making, that the National Guard is the only legitimate militia, remains unaddressed by that particular factoid you brought up.

No, that point was roundly refuted. Nothing has changed in regards to militias and the Constitution between 1806 and now. The City of Charleston formed a militia then, there is nothing stopping them from doing so now.

To further put this myth to rest, South Carolina has THREE state militias, of which only one is the National Guard.

http://www.charlestonwiki.org/South_Carolina_Unorganized_Militia

The South Carolina Unorganized Militia, according to the SC Code of Laws Section 25-1-60, is one of the three branches of state militia. The three branches consist of the National Guard, the organized militia, and the unorganized militia.

The unorganized militia is essentially professors at The Citadel, usually ex military, that are commissioned by the govener to serve instruct the South Carolina Corps of Cadets. Certainly not a combat unit, but a military unit and militia independant of the Federal government and National Guard nontheless. I imagine Virginia has something similar for VMI and they VPICoC as well.