Apple/other companies soft-ban on confederate flag in games?

I'm not an American, so this flag thing isn't something I understand (I tried reading about it, but nothing other than Obama saying its bad led me believe so).

I don't get how a flag can be racist? Or something else? Its just a flag.
 
I don't mind the symbol not being used in official capacity by governments, but banning games because the symbol appears in one is stupid.

This is a historical symbol and as such belongs in a game about.. history.

When I'm shooting up Nazis in a video game about WW2, I want to see swastikas, and I want to see them burn.

This was my initial reaction, but after thinking about it for a while I don't really have a problem with Apple doing this. If this were a government mandated ban I would be completely against it; but Apple is a privately owned business and as such, reserves the right to pick and choose which products/services they wish to make available to their customers. To force Apple to put these games back on their app store just for the sake of historical accuracy would be a violation of their rights as a private business and would set a dangerous precedent for private businesses in the future.
 
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I hear it's all been downhill since the Revolution, the height of chivalry and gentlemanly conduct. Back then, the internet was full of good people.
 
This was my initial reaction, but after thinking about it for a while I don't really have a problem with Apple doing this. If this were a government mandated ban I would be completely against it; but Apple is a privately owned business and as such, reserves the right to pick and choose which products/services they wish to make available to their customers. To force Apple to put these games back on their app store just for the sake of historical accuracy would be a violation of their rights as a private business and would set a dangerous precedent for private businesses in the future.

Sure, they can be idiots if they want, but they're still idiots for banning such games.
 
Sure, they can be idiots if they want, but they're still idiots for banning such games.

True, but the freedom to be an idiot is part of what supposedly makes the US so great, right?
 
No, there is a crucial difference. The difference is I'm not couching it in 'right vs. left' terms like you are, which requires at least one additional step - a leap of logic reliant on a simplistic narrative of ideological conflict - which one would think you would want to avoid, given your avowed disdain for said narrative.

TheMeintheTeam did suggest this was a confusing part, but don't get confused between ought and is here. 'Leftist' is just how I chose to describe it on the basis, the quite justifiable basis, that the Confederate flag fits quite distinctly into one side of the Right-Left cultural duality that does exist in the US. But don't get confused by ought and is here. And whether it's 'leftist' or not doesn't have anything to do with the dynamic. The dynamic is the forces that keep Apple trendy.
 
I'm not an American, so this flag thing isn't something I understand (I tried reading about it, but nothing other than Obama saying its bad led me believe so).

I don't get how a flag can be racist? Or something else? Its just a flag.

In a nutshell, it was a military banner of a secessionist movement in the Southern United States in the 1860s, that has been increasingly being used mostly by white supremacist movements and racially intolerant individuals in the 20th and 21st centuries, overshadowing it's original 19th century intent, of being a representative banner of the Confederate States of America's Army of Northern Virginia and the Confederate Navy. A use which has changed how the symbol is viewed. Much like the swastika's change due to its association with the Nazi Party of the 1930s as opposed as its original religious context in the Indian subcontinent centuries earlier.

That help?
 
I'm not an American, so this flag thing isn't something I understand (I tried reading about it, but nothing other than Obama saying its bad led me believe so).

I don't get how a flag can be racist? Or something else? Its just a flag.

For me, it's not a matter of race, it's a matter of it being a symbol of the people that tried to tear my nation apart. Opposing your government is one thing, but starting a war that devastates the people and land itself and jeopardizes the future of the entire nation just because you have a beef with the government is completely unacceptable and unforgivable in my opinion.

That is why I not only support the removal and outright banning of any Confederate symbols (as Germany did with any Nazi symbols), but also the removal of any Confederate war memorials and monuments that either celebrate Confederate soldiers as heroes, or mourn their deaths.
 
Just the good ol' boys. Never meaning no harm.

Ban the movie too.

I remember when the movie was coming out. Most, but not all, of the trailers, particularly those for television rather than showed in movie theaters, conspicuously shot around the top of the General Lee so you never saw the flag.

This long trailer, which was probably shown in theaters based on its length, does occasionally show the top of the Gen. Lee, but the shots still downplay the top of the vehicle.


Link to video.

Contrast that with this (likely TV) shorter trailer where you twice see a glimpse of the top but wouldn't recognize it as the flag if you didn't already know it was there.


Link to video.
 
I remember when the movie was coming out. Most, but not all, of the trailers, particularly those for television rather than showed in movie theaters, conspicuously shot around the top of the General Lee so you never saw the flag.

This long trailer, which was probably shown in theaters based on its length, does occasionally show the top of the Gen. Lee, but the shots still downplay the top of the vehicle.


Link to video.

"This video is not available"

LOL :)
 
It is available here.

I had to go back to make sure the Confederate flag was even on the roof of the General Lee in the movie, despite recently sitting through the first 10 minutes of it on TV before deciding it was just as bad as the original show.

What we should be wondering is who exactly finds this entertaining in the least, and why. Should someone now try to revive Hee Haw, which is is now on public display at the Oklahoma History Center as an exhibit of their culture and heritage?


Link to video.
 
"This video is not available"

LOL :)

The Dukes of Hazard movie trailers on youtube have been giving me intermittent trouble like that today.
 
More likely it has not been OKed for viewing in some areas. Many Youtube videos are restricted by their copyright owner to certain regions.
 
Pangur Bán;13881828 said:
TheMeintheTeam did suggest this was a confusing part, but don't get confused between ought and is here. 'Leftist' is just how I chose to describe it on the basis, the quite justifiable basis, that the Confederate flag fits quite distinctly into one side of the Right-Left cultural duality that does exist in the US. But don't get confused by ought and is here. And whether it's 'leftist' or not doesn't have anything to do with the dynamic. The dynamic is the forces that keep Apple trendy.
Only you are ignoring the fact that many conservative Republicans find it just as reprehensible.

Speaking of which, this is incredibly sad:

Political leaders in South Carolina, Alabama and elsewhere have led efforts to take down the flag. But the survey finds no national consensus about that — the divide is 42%-42% on whether the flag is racist — and little hope that anything the United States government could do about guns would prevent mass shootings like the one that took nine lives at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church.

"There is almost a thread of thinking running through the poll that nothing can be done to make any meaningful changes," says David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center in Boston.

While the bloody assault has sparked outrage, opinions differ by region and race on what it represents and what should be done in response. More than half of whites call the assault the actions of a lone gunman in an isolated incident; just a third say it reflects a larger problem of racism in America. But among African-Americans, three of four say it reflects a larger problem of racism.

There is an equally wide gap in views of the Confederate flag. A third of whites call it racist; half say it represents Southern history and isn't racist. But more than three of four blacks see the Confederate flag as a racist symbol that should be taken down from public places. Just one in 10 say it's a representative of Southern heritage.

The margin of error for the sub-sample of 138 African-Americans is plus or minus 8.5 points.

Those in the South, the region where the Confederate flag is most common, are least likely to see it as racist. By 49%-34%, they say it's not. Those in the Northeast and West are most likely to call the flag as racist, by pluralities of 12 and 13 percentage points. In the Midwest, a narrow 44%-42% call it racist.

"It was a flag that was fought and died for," says Neal Masteller, 57, of Forksville, Pa., who sees no racist connotations and compares it to the Irish flag for Irish-Americans. "Nobody has problems with them. St. Patrick's Day comes around (and) they all want to put up the Irish flag."
When they finally came for the Irish flag, there was nobody left to protect it. :lol:
 
It honestly seems like people have just lost the ability to use their brains now. I genuinely meant it as a ridiculous joke when I first said it, but I don't know how I could have been that naïve in hindsight.

Maybe the guy in charge of TV Land is a member here, saw your post and thought it would be a good idea.
 
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