Apple vs PC

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Well, nobody goes to a forum to talk about how something is working well for them. They go there to get help and complain.

There were far less complains on technical side of the earlier versions of Mac OS. And most people have no problems in Snow Leopard of the kind they have in Lion.

Bugs and troubleshoots are not the only things people come to ask about. When I had Snow Leopard I asked about things I didn't know or were not sure in MacOS/Unix. Contrary to that in Lion, having troubles practically with everything I normally do (like connecting E-Book Reader, External HDD, or even sharing Internet over WiFi to iPod) I read and posted only about those technical troubles.

 

[Skwink]

There were far less complains on technical side of the earlier versions of Mac OS.

That'd be because more and more people are using Macs.

Even people who both use Macs still can find stuff to argue over about Macs!

 

[Archbob]

And Open Office is just as good and is completely free.
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I've used and use both. MS office is better.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

That'd be because more and more people are using Macs.

Ah, that's why most of them write something like "After upgrading to Lion". I see...

 

[Skwink]

Ah, that's why most of them write something like "After upgrading to Lion". I see...

I'm sure many recent Mac converts, (my own Grandfather for one) bought Macs when they were in Snow Leopard. But whatever, let's forget about it.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Watching an interesting show on Comedy Channel, The Making of South Park: 6 Days To Air. When they started out, they were using custom workstations that cost $35K each that ran really slow. It would take as long as 2 weeks to make every episode. As time went on, they improved their techniques and got better hardware. Now, they use off the shelf Macs that keep up with whatever they want to do.

Of course, there's been a lot of improvement in hardware in the last 14 years. But I thought it was interesting that they no longer need custom workstations.

 

[Crezth]

Yeah, and you're wrong in this being a generality.

There is no mechanism for Macs to be more reliable or longer-lasting than PCs.

Part of the problem is that matching the cheapest available PC that performs equally to a Mac is obviously going to get you a less-reliable PC. Matching a similar-quality PC, will however, still be cheaper than a Mac.

FWIW, I use both Mac OS and Windows on a daily basis, relatively intensively, and don't really have a preference for either OS. They both have some nice features that the other is missing, but nothing that sets either apart.

So you're saying that I'm wrong about Macs lasting longer? Perfectly willing to accept it, that just simply doesn't add up with my experience is all. Hardware wise, Mac computers are more sturdily built. The "mechanism" is the computers being designed part-for-part for this functionality.

I have spent much more on my unstable Windows desktop than I have or will ever from now on spend on my extremely stable Macbook. Personally speaking, of course.

 

[Zelig]

So you're saying that I'm wrong about Macs lasting longer? Perfectly willing to accept it, that just simply doesn't add up with my experience is all. Hardware wise, Mac computers are more sturdily built. The "mechanism" is the computers being designed part-for-part for this functionality.

I have spent much more on my unstable Windows desktop than I have or will ever from now on spend on my extremely stable Macbook. Personally speaking, of course.

Hardware-wise, there is nothing in a Mac that you can't get identically or better in a PC, other than the chassis, which isn't going to affect the life of the computer.

I've got a bunch of Windows, Mac and Linux computers, and they're all extremely stable, because I don't buy cheap junk.

 

[Crezth]

Hardware-wise, there is nothing in a Mac that you can't get identically or better in a PC, other than the chassis, which isn't going to affect the life of the computer.

I've got a bunch of Windows, Mac and Linux computers, and they're all extremely stable, because I don't buy cheap junk.

This observation is not at all consistent with my 10+ years working with and building computers of all stripes in professional and personal settings so I will have to decline your point. If you can't accept that, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Zelig]

This observation is not at all consistent with my 10+ years working with and building computers of all stripes in professional and personal settings so I will have to decline your point. If you can't accept that, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I've got more professional experience than you.

"being designed part-for-part for this functionality." is not a mechanism.

Name a specific part in a Mac that's going to last longer than a part in a PC.

 

[Ajidica]

Name a specific part in a Mac that's going to last longer than a part in a PC.

Not the keyboard for sure. I'm still typing away at an old IBM 5 series keyboard that turned 18 four days ago while the Mac keyboards at my school died after three years.

 

[Zelig]

Not the keyboard for sure. I'm still typing away at an old IBM 5 series keyboard that turned 18 four days ago while the Mac keyboards at my school died after three years.

Mac keyboards aren't bad, if you're into laptop-style keys, they're among the better keyboards you can get. MS makes some comparable standalone keyboards, Lenovo laptop keyboards are my favorite.

For regular keyboards, IBM buckling spring models were good for their time, and better than the cheap-ass rubber dome models you see everywhere, but they're generally considered inferior to modern Cherry or Topre switch keyboards.

 

[Skwink]

I'm just going to say that the Mac Keyboards are the best I've ever used. I love the flat keys.

 

[Zelig]

I'm just going to say that the Mac Keyboards are the best I've ever used. I love the flat keys.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of keyboards with flat keys...

 

[Ajidica]

Like the keyboard on my Lenovo laptop, which as Zelig pointed out, is one of the best keyboards out there.

 

[Skwink]

There are hundreds, if not thousands of keyboards with flat keys...

Sadly, I don't have the time to try thousands of keyboards.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Never understood all this Apple thingy:

iMac:
Core i5 2,4Ghz; LCD 21"; 4gb RAM; HD6770M (M model, aprox = HD5750 for desktop or worse); HDD 1T
Total = 1450€

Equivalent PC (even a litle better):
Core i5S 2,5Ghz = 170€; 4gb RAM = 30€; HD 5750 = 60€; HDD 1T = 40€; Mobo = 60€; Chassis = 60€; LCD 22"= 130€; keyboard= 10€; speakers = 15€; mouse = 10€
TOTAL= 530€

So you are giving apple near 1000€ for the same hardware... And if you want OSX, there are lots of cheap PC hardware (the same or better than "original" Apple hardw) totally compatible with OSX to build your own "hackintosh".

Steve Jobs was really a genious...

 

[aronnax]

Never understood all this Apple thingy:

iMac:
Core i5 2,4Ghz; LCD 21"; 4gb RAM; HD6770M (M model, aprox = HD5750 for desktop or worse); HDD 1T
Total = 1450€

Equivalent PC (even a litle better):
Core i5S 2,5Ghz = 170€; 4gb RAM = 30€; HD 5750 = 60€; HDD 1T = 40€; Mobo = 60€; Chassis = 60€; LCD 22"= 130€; keyboard= 10€; speakers = 15€; mouse = 10€
TOTAL= 530€

So you are giving apple near 1000€ for the same hardware... And if you want OSX, there are lots of cheap PC hardware (the same or better than "original" Apple hardw) totally compatible with OSX to build your own "hackintosh".

Steve Jobs was really a genious...

You know, I dug around after I read your post.
Firstly, iMacs don't cost that much.
http://www.apple.com/imac/

A 21.5 inch iMac cost $US1200 or 870ish Euros.

Dell has an all-in-one computer that is about $US900

Dell's computer has twice the memory and the same everything else I think. I not too sure. Didn't read that much into the features. But the point is, you are overpaying 300 dollars for an iMac, not 1000 euros like you suggest. ;p

 

[Thorgalaeg]

You know, I dug around after I read your post.
Firstly, iMacs don't cost that much.
http://www.apple.com/imac/

A 21.5 inch iMac cost $US1200 or 870ish Euros.

Dell has an all-in-one computer that is about $US900

Dell's computer has twice the memory and the same everything else I think. I not too sure. Didn't read that much into the features. But the point is, you are overpaying 300 dollars for an iMac, not 1000 euros like you suggest. ;p

The iMac from my post: i5 4gb RAM 21,5" 6770M... 1499€
Dell Inspiron 620 same CPU, RAM, HDD... 599€ plus monitor 21" 730€ still +750€ cheaper.
Anyway in PCs you dont have to buy overpriced Dells when the same hardware can be found cheaper if you buy the components directly.

 

[Crezth]

I've got more professional experience than you.

"being designed part-for-part for this functionality." is not a mechanism.

Name a specific part in a Mac that's going to last longer than a part in a PC.

I fail to see how a product that's every part is specially chosen and is built tightly in one package is not a "mechanism" to demonstrate that functionality, but go ahead and continue with your fallacy. I'll do you one better.

Name a specific PC that performs all of the exact same functions as a Mac of equal or greater cost.

Can't do it? Then I'm right. Oh, and I have more experience than you. Victory is mine.