[NFP] April Update Video

[PhoenicianGold]

People have mentioned that the Georgia change doesn't help them get a religion, but technically any early source of faith can help get a religion faster through GP faith purchasing. You would just need to do the usual of building a holy site and shrine for the GPP, but the extra faith you could get from killing barbarians would help you purchase a Great Prophet a little bit quicker than you would otherwise.

Which I think makes no sense thematically as Georgia didn't really found a religion (of course neither did Russia, Poland, etc.).

I think the religion system lacks nuance in that you generally need to found a religion to take a religious victory. Where in my mind there should be a way for civs to "steal" religions from those that founded them, making it easier for any civ to get a religious victory, even if it didn't found one. And if that were the case, I don't think Georgia would need to found a religion.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Which I think makes no sense thematically as Georgia didn't really found a religion (of course neither did Russia, Poland, etc.).

Having inherit faith bonuses doesn't feel like it guarantees getting a religion. The only civs that have inherit bonuses toward founding a religion are Byzantium, Arabia and Russia. Byzantium and Arabia make sense as being birthplace of Eastern Orthodox branch of Christianity and Islam respectively, and well Russia's bonus is a byproduct of their UD which is understandable.

I think the religion system lacks nuance in that you generally need to found a religion to take a religious victory. Where in my mind there should be a way for civs to "steal" religions from those that founded them, making it easier for any civ to get a religious victory, even if it didn't found one. And if that were the case, I don't think Georgia would need to found a religion.

I've been hoping for some sort of reformation mechanic where a civ can reform an existing religion by choosing new beliefs if you ended up not founding a religion, and were converted, mid-game.

 

[Linklite]

Having inherit faith bonuses doesn't feel like it guarantees getting a religion.

It doesn't do anything for getting a religion, does it? I mean, it might encourage behaviour that would gain you a religion (because you'll build Holy Sites etc so you can utilise that faith in an RV, etc), but you have half a million faith per turn and not get a religion. Only Great Prophet Points does that.

 

[Kwami]

It doesn't do anything for getting a religion, does it? I mean, it might encourage behaviour that would gain you a religion (because you'll build Holy Sites etc so you can utilise that faith in an RV, etc), but you have half a million faith per turn and not get a religion. Only Great Prophet Points does that.

You can purchase a prophet with faith, though. That's why having more faith helps you get a religion.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

It doesn't do anything for getting a religion, does it? I mean, it might encourage behaviour that would gain you a religion (because you'll build Holy Sites etc so you can utilise that faith in an RV, etc), but you have half a million faith per turn and not get a religion. Only Great Prophet Points does that.

Well yes getting faith bonuses means you should definitely try to get a religion. At least you need faith for founding a pantheon.

But as I said only Arabia, Byzantium, and Russia to my knowledge have the only inherit bonuses of getting Great Prophets easier. That being said you could also argue Brazil too with cheaper Great People and any civ that can get wildcard bonuses early like Greece, America and Poland but these bonuses apply to any early Great People.

 

[Dantesedge]

People have mentioned that the Georgia change doesn't help them get a religion, but technically any early source of faith can help get a religion faster through GP faith purchasing. You would just need to do the usual of building a holy site and shrine for the GPP, but the extra faith you could get from killing barbarians would help you purchase a Great Prophet a little bit quicker than you would otherwise.

People get hung up on Georgia needing a religion, but she really doesn’t unless you are chasing a Religious victory (or Diplomacy complemented by pagodas). Her Envoy bonus comes into play with a majority religion, not founded religion, so if you happen to start next to a religious juggernaut (Russia, etc.), do a Cultural or Domination game instead and focus on Campuses and/or Theater Squares.

Her new ability will make up for early Faith while you let your neighbor convert your empire and nearby City States, and then use that to grab suzerainty. Build Holy Sites later when it’s time for Tsikhes. It’s more fun to have a religion but she doesn’t need one, and you can have a faster Empire set up by ignoring early Holy Sites anyway.

 

[RohirrimElf]

Since the patch notes are 3000 words long. I am still hoping for a few surprises. But so far i have not been disappointed.
The new huge earth map could be entertaining together with seeing how improved naval combat plays out.

hoping not half of it is minor tweaks that simply change a minor number on the civ changes and unit balances without altering gameplay much. Taking up much space.

 

[Linklite]

You can purchase a prophet with faith, though. That's why having more faith helps you get a religion.

I never buy GPs, so it didn't occur to me. Although, can't you buy them with gold? In the same vein, you could argue that Portugal or any other civ with an advantage for gold has an advantage too.

Since the patch notes are 3000 words long. I am still hoping for a few surprises. But so far i have not been disappointed.
The new huge earth map could be entertaining together with seeing how improved naval combat plays out.

hoping not half of it is minor tweaks that simply change a minor number on the civ changes and unit balances without altering gameplay much. Taking up much space.

Wait, are the patch notes out now?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Wait, are the patch notes out now?

No but it was mentioned to be about that long.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Kevin tweeted today that they final word count is 3,700+.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Kevin tweeted today that they final word count is 3,700+.

That's more than 800 words! How will I not fall asleep while reading the patch notes??!!

 

[Linklite]

Kevin tweeted today that they final word count is 3,700+.

So about 74 words per civ in the game, or about 111 per altered civ. Sounds like quite a few substantial changes, then.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

That's more than 800 words! How will I not fall asleep while reading it??!!

At the typical adult reading speed of 300 words/min, it's over 12 minutes to read the whole thing.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

At the typical adult reading speed of 300 words/min, it's over 12 minutes to read the whole thing.

Bad joke on my part.

 

[aieeegrunt]

Oh boy why does this thread feel familiar...

Oh yes that’s right, because this exact same discussion happened in the Fallout fanbase when Bethesda made the utterly amazing Big Brain decision to chase trends and take a hugely succesfull single player series, namely Fallout, and sledgehammer that square peg into the round hole of Always Online Multiplayer Streamlined Fortnite Cashgrab

Fallout 4 sales: 13.5 million

Fallout 76 sales: 2.5 million

SurprisedPikachuFace.jpg

Zenimax Media: “You have failed me for the last time”

*fire sale of Bethesda to Microsoft*

“Apology accepted, Todd Howard”

The parallels are hilarious

If streamlined online multiplayer focused Civ was indeed the future, then Civ Revolutions 1 and 2 should be the bomb right?

Right?

Civ6 sales: I am oddly having trouble finding solid numbers, but it looks like 5.5 million by mid 2019

Civilization Revolution 1 and 2: numbers even more unavailable, but it sold 147,000 units on the xbox and the Wii port got cancelled, so its a safe assumption it’s less than Civ6

The most likely outcome of a multiplayer focused Civilization series, given that the closest real world parallel is Fallout 76, is, uh, bad

The most likely outcome is the fanbase falling back on whichever Civ has the best modding community

Again looking at Fallout

January 2020 daily average players online

Fallout 4: 18,400

Fallout 76: 7,300

Note that you don’t have to be Always Online to play Fallout 4, the game is almost 7 years old, Fallout 76 is an Always Online game, and Fallout 4 still has over double the player count

One other thing; I took a quick boo around the app store and just for the iphone there is a surprising number of Civ clones with similar or better gameplay.

Holy crap a Europe TSL map where Rome can build more than three cities

I have’nt bothered because Civ6 easily fills my 4X needs and it’s a good game

If Civ 7 has Noobmaster69 making his Cleopatra Avatar doing the floss during trade deals I’m out

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

If I recall correctly, they've already looked into the massively multiplayer option. What's going on at the moment is they (2K) are trying to have all their franchises turn into a G.A.A.S. model. If sales maintain momentum, they won't ever make Civ VII. They will just keep selling add-on content for Civ VI. Then they won't have to ever sink a ton of cash into R&Ding a new engine.

 

[Steamboat Willem]

I never buy GPs, so it didn't occur to me. Although, can't you buy them with gold? In the same vein, you could argue that Portugal or any other civ with an advantage for gold has an advantage too.

Yeah, I bought a Great Prophet in a Portugal game. Pretty decent ROI with Religious Communities.

 

[Linklite]

If I recall correctly, they've already looked into the massively multiplayer option. What's going on at the moment is they (2K) are trying to have all their franchises turn into a G.A.A.S. model. If sales maintain momentum, they won't ever make Civ VII. They will just keep selling add-on content for Civ VI. Then they won't have to ever sink a ton of cash into R&Ding a new engine.

I'm no computer genius, but isn't there a limit to how much you cam just bolt on? Sooner or later (sooner, judging by the frequency of bugs and issues), they'll have to optimise it. Might as well start fresh and have a blank state.

 

[InsidiousMage]

I'm no computer genius, but isn't there a limit to how much you cam just bolt on? Sooner or later (sooner, judging by the frequency of bugs and issues), they'll have to optimise it. Might as well start fresh and have a blank state.

Sure, but FF14 has been going strong for over a decade with constant new content so Civ6 could probably go on a for while longer if Firaxis really wanted to.

 

[aieeegrunt]

If I recall correctly, they've already looked into the massively multiplayer option. What's going on at the moment is they (2K) are trying to have all their franchises turn into a G.A.A.S. model. If sales maintain momentum, they won't ever make Civ VII. They will just keep selling add-on content for Civ VI. Then they won't have to ever sink a ton of cash into R&Ding a new engine.

HA HA HA HA yup, and that is exactly what Fallout 76 was supposed to be

The “last” Fallout

Well that monkey paw wish slapped them didn’t it?

If they are going to build on Civ6 honestly I am ok with that. If by “build” they mean make the game systems a bit more integrated and work out bugs and stuff I like it.

If I don’t like a mode that is offered, I don’t buy it. Seems fair to everyone