Shaitan
der Besucher
If we want to keep things simple enough to be enjoyable don't use a business tax. The cost of doing business can be assumed to cover tax mayments as well.
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right. remember guys: we can still tune it later. we need a simple ruleset now to get people used to it.
i admit: i dont understand the rpg rules at all :-(
i admit: i dont understand the rpg rules at all :-(
trader/warrior
Deity
i have a personal bussness system myself:
the person ho is going to starts the buissness PM`s the item keeper(thats me) and tells him what items he is going to sell.the item keeper then PM`s the shop starter and says how much its going to cost to get one of the items in his stock(example longer down).then the shop owner posts his buget in a buissnes part of the bank.there can also be a tax each turn.simple and good
heres the example:
to get one (insert item here) in your stock will cost (insert price here).
to get one (insert item here) in your stock will cost (insert price here).
and so on
the person ho is going to starts the buissness PM`s the item keeper(thats me) and tells him what items he is going to sell.the item keeper then PM`s the shop starter and says how much its going to cost to get one of the items in his stock(example longer down).then the shop owner posts his buget in a buissnes part of the bank.there can also be a tax each turn.simple and good
heres the example:
to get one (insert item here) in your stock will cost (insert price here).
to get one (insert item here) in your stock will cost (insert price here).
and so on
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Here's what I want EVERYONE to do:
Civanator BCLG: Start working on how where going to do everything. Please try to make it as clear and as simple as possible. Please keep EVERYONE updated on what we plan on doing.
Stuck, Curufinwe(and I forget who the other banks asst. are Sorry): I need you guys to start coming up with the bank stuff. quickly. We need everything simple and clear as fast as possible.
Trader/Warrior: Your keeping track of what Items everyone has.... so I would suggest to start thinking about what will be the easiest way and give it to the organizers.
Website designers: I would suggest not doing about anything with the website. Were going to try to run it throuh pm's and posts for right now. We need everyone too get working on the game.
Shaitan: Also can you come up with the basic rules? I don't have the time with school... and we still don't have a rule designer.
Sorry dis, but we don't have time to poll everything. We will try to get this set up by the time the new game starts. And if we are to do this we don't have time. No one else is complaining about it. (but you)
Civanator BCLG: Start working on how where going to do everything. Please try to make it as clear and as simple as possible. Please keep EVERYONE updated on what we plan on doing.
Stuck, Curufinwe(and I forget who the other banks asst. are Sorry): I need you guys to start coming up with the bank stuff. quickly. We need everything simple and clear as fast as possible.
Trader/Warrior: Your keeping track of what Items everyone has.... so I would suggest to start thinking about what will be the easiest way and give it to the organizers.
Website designers: I would suggest not doing about anything with the website. Were going to try to run it throuh pm's and posts for right now. We need everyone too get working on the game.
Shaitan: Also can you come up with the basic rules? I don't have the time with school... and we still don't have a rule designer.
Sorry dis, but we don't have time to poll everything. We will try to get this set up by the time the new game starts. And if we are to do this we don't have time. No one else is complaining about it. (but you)
Stuck_as_a_Mac
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website is up. i need almightys stuff. curu is my only assistant, but i need another.
were killing pensions. everyone starts with 100 gold.
ill make up a set of rules when i get back from staples (back 2 school shopping *groan*)
were killing pensions. everyone starts with 100 gold.
ill make up a set of rules when i get back from staples (back 2 school shopping *groan*)
VHS
New guy
i set up a stock exchange, and i know how to calculate stock prices, therefore, we have 1 thing up.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I'll do what I can. Time is a bit crunched at the moment. I'll build a set of streamlined rules that can be fleshed out later. Something to get us organized and up and running.
Shaitan
der Besucher
This was not at all easy. There are rules flying around all over the place in this forum and there doesn't seem to be very much central organization. A workable ruleset HAS to be centralized. If managers need a rule, they need to put it in the same place as all of the other rules.
The ruleset that follows takes everything that I could find and condenses it. It's much simpler than the many different things that were popping up. We can make things more detailed later but we need a floor to stand on before we paint the walls.
SALARY
Each citizen receives a salary of 10g per turn chat. A bonus is received for those holding additional jobs. Bonuses are cumulative:
+5 President
+4 Department Leader, Governor, Judiciary, Vice President, RPG Managers
+3 Deputy, Acting Governor
+2 Honored Citizens, High Unelected Positions (Chat Representative, Citizen Registry, Citizen Honors, Moderators, etc.)
+1 RPG Assistants, Low Unelected Positions (Mayors, Art Museum Curator, etc.)
BANKING
All accounts are kept at the Bank. Salaries are added to all accounts after each turn chat. All transactions must be posted at the bank with a link to the transaction post or a copy of the PM/email where the transaction occured. Only one party of the transaction should make the transaction post, to avoid confusion. If the transaction is made at a business, the business owner will post the transaction. All amounts are rounded to the nearest whole number. Private transactions should be posted immediately. Businesses may hold their transactions until the day of the next turn chat and post them all at once.
Loans
Simple loans are available from the bank at 5% or 10% interest. 5% loans are for the purchase of assets (items, stores, etc.). 10% loans are signature loans and can be taken for any reason. Loans are repaid over a maximum of 3 terms. Maximum loan amount is 1/2 of your expected income over the loan period. All calculations will be based on an expected 8 turn chats per term. Loan payments are deducted automatically from salaries. A citizen may have only 1 outstanding loan at a time. Loans may be paid off early but no refund of interest is given.
Example 1: Psychlo the Unsure is a governor and an honored citizen. He has a salary of 16 per turn chat: 10 (base) plus 4 (governor) plus 2 (honored citizen). In one term he has an expected income of 128. He can borrow 64g and pay it back in one term, 128g and pay it back in 2 terms or 192 and pay it back in 3 terms. He is starting a new business so needs as much as he can get. He borrows 192 at 5% interest (the money is going towards assets). The total he must pay back is 202g (192g + 10g interest). His payments will be 8g per turn chat until the 202g is paid (this will take about 3 terms).
Example 2: Shagrath the Incipid is a party animal. He wants to throw a blowout to celebrate an important military victory. He has no job besides being a citizen so makes 10g per turn chat. His expected income is 80g per term. He can borrow 40g to pay back in 1 term, 80g to pay back in 2 terms or 120g to pay back in 3 terms. He isn't drunk yet so restrains himself to a 1 term payback. He borrows 40g and will be paying back a total of 44g, that is 40g plus 4g interest. Shagrath is paying 10% interest as he's getting a signature loan. His payments are 6g per chat turn until the 44g is repaid (this will take about 1 term).
PRIVATE BUSINESSES
The first business that each citizen starts up during the game has no startup costs. Additional businesses may also be started but will cost money to get them up and running. Two payments are necessary; legal fees and place of business expenses. Legal fees are 100g for all businesses. Place of Business expenses include factories, sweat shops, stores, offices, etc. plus all of the equipment needed to get the business running. Manufacturers cannot sell to the public, only through resellers. If a manufacturer wants to also be a sales center they need to pay the legal expenses to do so (but no additional material costs). Place of Business startup expenses vary by business type:
Place of Business startup expenses
200g: Manufacturing (creating goods)
100g: Resale (selling goods)
50g: Services (no goods exchanged)
This startup cost is multiplied by Size and Expense factors. These factors are based on the original price list and represent the increased cost that a large organization will require to start up or that an expensive product line will cost. These factors increase the Place of Business startup expenses ONLY.
Size factor:
Personal business: no modifier
Private company: x2
Public company: x4
Corporation: x8
Expense factor
Avg cost 1 to 10: no modifier
Avg cost 11 to 50: x2
Avg cost 51 to 100: x4
Avg cost 101 to 200: x6
Avg cost 201 to 500: x8
Avg cost over 500: x10
Example 1: Tibu Teak, a custom habidasher is going into business. They are a light manufacturer (they make their own fine clothing and create custom designed T-shirts). They also will be selling their own products. They are a personal business and the average cost on their price list is 5g. They pay 100g for fees to manufacture and another 100g for fees to resell. Their Place of Business starup cost is 200g (manufacturing) with no size or expense modifiers. Their total startup cost will be 400g.
Example 2: Apro, Poe & Nuffin, attorneys at law want to open a practice. They don't make or sell anything, they simply provide a service. The average cost of their services is 35g. Their startup cost will be legal fees of 100g and 100g for Place of Business startup expenses (50g base x2 for their high prices - they need posh offices and a big aquarium in the lobby to attract high paying clients). So they are in business for 200g.
Supply
It is assumed that each business has enough material to supply their customers.
Making money
Prices and profit are determined by the sale price of goods and services. Manufacturers keep 1/2 of the money received for their product. The other 1/2 is assumed to go for upkeep of property, salaries for employees, rent, material costs, machinery, etc. Resellers keep 1/2 of the money received for sales. The other 1/2 is absorbed by the cost of doing business, just like manufacturers. Services keep 3/4 of the money received for services as they have a much lower cost of doing business.
A manufacturer/reseller (a company that makes and sells its own products) keeps 3/4 of the final sale price.
If an item is on the official price list, the wholesale cost of that item is fixed at 1/2 of the official sale price. The manufacturing cost of that item is fixed at 1/4 of the official sale price.
Example: Micron's Tiny Electonics sells a PDA for 6g. This means they make a profit of 3g per PDA sold. The PDA shows up on an official price list for 8g. Micron must now pay 4g for each PDA he sells (1/2 of the official price of 8g). He must either raise his prices or be content with only making 2g for each sale now.
Building Business
Businesses may grow and want to change to a different Size factor or Expense factor. Someone may wish to let partners into their personal business becoming a private company or may wish to go public. Similarly, changes in a product line may raise the average price on the price list into the next category. Before these things can be done the company must pay additional Place of Business expenses to get to the higher category. Simply take the normal Place of Business charge for that business and multiply by the difference to the next modifier.
Example 1: Tony's House of Lamb is a personal business. His normal Place of Business expense was 50g (Service). Tony wants to take on partners to raise capital. He will be going from Personal Business (no Size modifier) to Private Company (a x2 modifier). He must pay 100g to become a private company before taking on partners.
Example 2 : Smiling Bob's Discount War Machines sells previously enjoyed military vehicles. Bob's is a personal business that currently has a price list average of around 55. Bob has a line on new jet fighters which will raise his price list average to over 220g. Bob's normal Place of Business expense was 100g (Reseller). He is already in the x4 Expense factor. The Expense factor for a price list average of 220g is x8. Bob will need to cough up another 400g (100g base times 4, the difference between the original x4 category and the new x8 category) before adding the jet fighters to his product catalog.
Selling the shop
Businesses can be sold or liquidated. When liquidated, 50% of the Place of Business costs are returned to the seller. If sold to another private owner the price is negotiated. The buyer will then need to pay normal legal startup fees but will not have any Place of Business expenses.
How to get a licensed business open
Only licensed businesses can post transactions in the bank. As a result, only licensed businesses can make a profit of money or actually give items to a player.
GOING BROKE
Overdraft Protection
A player's account can go into the negative by the amount of his regular paycheck. If he normally makes 10g per turn chat he can go to a -10 balance without penalty.
Auto loan coverage
If a player's account dips below their overdraft protection and they do not have an outstanding loan, and a signature loan would cover the bad debt, they will immediately be granted a signature loan for the bad balance on their account.
Bankruptcy
If a player exceeds all of the protections above they go bankrupt. The Bank Manager and Item Manager will disolve the player's assets (valuing them at 50% of original value) to pay off the bad debt. This will include ownership in businesses, any items owned and any other tangible RPG properties.
If the bankruptcy proceedings aren't sufficient to cover the debt the player's salary will be garnished (100%) until the debt is covered. While the salary is being garnished the player may not make any transactions.
POSITIONS
Game Manager: The Game Manager is responsible for the overall flow of the RPG game. He can take over the duties of any other manager at times of need (manager absent or manager is personally involved in a transaction).
Bank Manager: Responsible for running the Bank, recording transactions, tracking loans and loan repayment, etc.
Item Manager: Responsible for keeping official track of what items each player has.
Price Manager: Responsible for keeping the official price lists and checking that private businesses are figuring costs correctly when selling an item that is on the official list. Responsible for Official stores.
Each manager may hire as many assistants as required to handle their responsibilities. The 4 managers together may create or alter rules. A 3/4 majority is required to do so.
Managers are elected and serve and indeterminate length of time. A manager may be removed from office through a vote of no confidence. This is an open poll and requires a 2/3 majority to oust a manager.
The ruleset that follows takes everything that I could find and condenses it. It's much simpler than the many different things that were popping up. We can make things more detailed later but we need a floor to stand on before we paint the walls.
SALARY
Each citizen receives a salary of 10g per turn chat. A bonus is received for those holding additional jobs. Bonuses are cumulative:
+5 President
+4 Department Leader, Governor, Judiciary, Vice President, RPG Managers
+3 Deputy, Acting Governor
+2 Honored Citizens, High Unelected Positions (Chat Representative, Citizen Registry, Citizen Honors, Moderators, etc.)
+1 RPG Assistants, Low Unelected Positions (Mayors, Art Museum Curator, etc.)
BANKING
All accounts are kept at the Bank. Salaries are added to all accounts after each turn chat. All transactions must be posted at the bank with a link to the transaction post or a copy of the PM/email where the transaction occured. Only one party of the transaction should make the transaction post, to avoid confusion. If the transaction is made at a business, the business owner will post the transaction. All amounts are rounded to the nearest whole number. Private transactions should be posted immediately. Businesses may hold their transactions until the day of the next turn chat and post them all at once.
Loans
Simple loans are available from the bank at 5% or 10% interest. 5% loans are for the purchase of assets (items, stores, etc.). 10% loans are signature loans and can be taken for any reason. Loans are repaid over a maximum of 3 terms. Maximum loan amount is 1/2 of your expected income over the loan period. All calculations will be based on an expected 8 turn chats per term. Loan payments are deducted automatically from salaries. A citizen may have only 1 outstanding loan at a time. Loans may be paid off early but no refund of interest is given.
Example 1: Psychlo the Unsure is a governor and an honored citizen. He has a salary of 16 per turn chat: 10 (base) plus 4 (governor) plus 2 (honored citizen). In one term he has an expected income of 128. He can borrow 64g and pay it back in one term, 128g and pay it back in 2 terms or 192 and pay it back in 3 terms. He is starting a new business so needs as much as he can get. He borrows 192 at 5% interest (the money is going towards assets). The total he must pay back is 202g (192g + 10g interest). His payments will be 8g per turn chat until the 202g is paid (this will take about 3 terms).
Example 2: Shagrath the Incipid is a party animal. He wants to throw a blowout to celebrate an important military victory. He has no job besides being a citizen so makes 10g per turn chat. His expected income is 80g per term. He can borrow 40g to pay back in 1 term, 80g to pay back in 2 terms or 120g to pay back in 3 terms. He isn't drunk yet so restrains himself to a 1 term payback. He borrows 40g and will be paying back a total of 44g, that is 40g plus 4g interest. Shagrath is paying 10% interest as he's getting a signature loan. His payments are 6g per chat turn until the 44g is repaid (this will take about 1 term).
PRIVATE BUSINESSES
The first business that each citizen starts up during the game has no startup costs. Additional businesses may also be started but will cost money to get them up and running. Two payments are necessary; legal fees and place of business expenses. Legal fees are 100g for all businesses. Place of Business expenses include factories, sweat shops, stores, offices, etc. plus all of the equipment needed to get the business running. Manufacturers cannot sell to the public, only through resellers. If a manufacturer wants to also be a sales center they need to pay the legal expenses to do so (but no additional material costs). Place of Business startup expenses vary by business type:
Place of Business startup expenses
200g: Manufacturing (creating goods)
100g: Resale (selling goods)
50g: Services (no goods exchanged)
This startup cost is multiplied by Size and Expense factors. These factors are based on the original price list and represent the increased cost that a large organization will require to start up or that an expensive product line will cost. These factors increase the Place of Business startup expenses ONLY.
Size factor:
Personal business: no modifier
Private company: x2
Public company: x4
Corporation: x8
Expense factor
Avg cost 1 to 10: no modifier
Avg cost 11 to 50: x2
Avg cost 51 to 100: x4
Avg cost 101 to 200: x6
Avg cost 201 to 500: x8
Avg cost over 500: x10
Example 1: Tibu Teak, a custom habidasher is going into business. They are a light manufacturer (they make their own fine clothing and create custom designed T-shirts). They also will be selling their own products. They are a personal business and the average cost on their price list is 5g. They pay 100g for fees to manufacture and another 100g for fees to resell. Their Place of Business starup cost is 200g (manufacturing) with no size or expense modifiers. Their total startup cost will be 400g.
Example 2: Apro, Poe & Nuffin, attorneys at law want to open a practice. They don't make or sell anything, they simply provide a service. The average cost of their services is 35g. Their startup cost will be legal fees of 100g and 100g for Place of Business startup expenses (50g base x2 for their high prices - they need posh offices and a big aquarium in the lobby to attract high paying clients). So they are in business for 200g.
Supply
It is assumed that each business has enough material to supply their customers.
Making money
Prices and profit are determined by the sale price of goods and services. Manufacturers keep 1/2 of the money received for their product. The other 1/2 is assumed to go for upkeep of property, salaries for employees, rent, material costs, machinery, etc. Resellers keep 1/2 of the money received for sales. The other 1/2 is absorbed by the cost of doing business, just like manufacturers. Services keep 3/4 of the money received for services as they have a much lower cost of doing business.
A manufacturer/reseller (a company that makes and sells its own products) keeps 3/4 of the final sale price.
If an item is on the official price list, the wholesale cost of that item is fixed at 1/2 of the official sale price. The manufacturing cost of that item is fixed at 1/4 of the official sale price.
Example: Micron's Tiny Electonics sells a PDA for 6g. This means they make a profit of 3g per PDA sold. The PDA shows up on an official price list for 8g. Micron must now pay 4g for each PDA he sells (1/2 of the official price of 8g). He must either raise his prices or be content with only making 2g for each sale now.
Building Business
Businesses may grow and want to change to a different Size factor or Expense factor. Someone may wish to let partners into their personal business becoming a private company or may wish to go public. Similarly, changes in a product line may raise the average price on the price list into the next category. Before these things can be done the company must pay additional Place of Business expenses to get to the higher category. Simply take the normal Place of Business charge for that business and multiply by the difference to the next modifier.
Example 1: Tony's House of Lamb is a personal business. His normal Place of Business expense was 50g (Service). Tony wants to take on partners to raise capital. He will be going from Personal Business (no Size modifier) to Private Company (a x2 modifier). He must pay 100g to become a private company before taking on partners.
Example 2 : Smiling Bob's Discount War Machines sells previously enjoyed military vehicles. Bob's is a personal business that currently has a price list average of around 55. Bob has a line on new jet fighters which will raise his price list average to over 220g. Bob's normal Place of Business expense was 100g (Reseller). He is already in the x4 Expense factor. The Expense factor for a price list average of 220g is x8. Bob will need to cough up another 400g (100g base times 4, the difference between the original x4 category and the new x8 category) before adding the jet fighters to his product catalog.
Selling the shop
Businesses can be sold or liquidated. When liquidated, 50% of the Place of Business costs are returned to the seller. If sold to another private owner the price is negotiated. The buyer will then need to pay normal legal startup fees but will not have any Place of Business expenses.
How to get a licensed business open
Only licensed businesses can post transactions in the bank. As a result, only licensed businesses can make a profit of money or actually give items to a player.
- Build a price list of all items that the business will sell.
- Send this list, with a brief description of the business to the Price Manager.
- The Price Manager will reply and tell you what your total startup costs will be. If your price list is seriously out of whack, the Price Manager will tell you what should be changed.
- Secure your startup funds. If you need a loan, go to the Bank.
- When your funds are secured, post a transaction at the Bank paying your startup fees.
- The Price Manager will respond in the Bank thread with your certification to start up the business.
- Post in the RPG Index & Registry thread with a link to your business, a one line description of your business and a link to the approving post from the Price Manager.
GOING BROKE
Overdraft Protection
A player's account can go into the negative by the amount of his regular paycheck. If he normally makes 10g per turn chat he can go to a -10 balance without penalty.
Auto loan coverage
If a player's account dips below their overdraft protection and they do not have an outstanding loan, and a signature loan would cover the bad debt, they will immediately be granted a signature loan for the bad balance on their account.
Bankruptcy
If a player exceeds all of the protections above they go bankrupt. The Bank Manager and Item Manager will disolve the player's assets (valuing them at 50% of original value) to pay off the bad debt. This will include ownership in businesses, any items owned and any other tangible RPG properties.
If the bankruptcy proceedings aren't sufficient to cover the debt the player's salary will be garnished (100%) until the debt is covered. While the salary is being garnished the player may not make any transactions.
POSITIONS
Game Manager: The Game Manager is responsible for the overall flow of the RPG game. He can take over the duties of any other manager at times of need (manager absent or manager is personally involved in a transaction).
Bank Manager: Responsible for running the Bank, recording transactions, tracking loans and loan repayment, etc.
Item Manager: Responsible for keeping official track of what items each player has.
Price Manager: Responsible for keeping the official price lists and checking that private businesses are figuring costs correctly when selling an item that is on the official list. Responsible for Official stores.
Each manager may hire as many assistants as required to handle their responsibilities. The 4 managers together may create or alter rules. A 3/4 majority is required to do so.
Managers are elected and serve and indeterminate length of time. A manager may be removed from office through a vote of no confidence. This is an open poll and requires a 2/3 majority to oust a manager.
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*sigh*
again the error with the positions in the paytable:
+5 President
+4 Department Leader, Governor, Judiciary, Moderator, Vice President, RPG Manager
+3 Deputy, Acting Governor
+2 Honored Citizens, Chat Representative, Low Government Positions (Mayors, Office Heads, Ambassadors, Mayors)
+1 RPG Assistants, non-Government Positions (Office deputies, Attachees, Helpers, etc.)
This was discussed in the bank-thread lately. Please correct ;-)
Will the be official help for startups to calculate the startup- and maintenance-costs?
again the error with the positions in the paytable:
+5 President
+4 Department Leader, Governor, Judiciary, Moderator, Vice President, RPG Manager
+3 Deputy, Acting Governor
+2 Honored Citizens, Chat Representative, Low Government Positions (Mayors, Office Heads, Ambassadors, Mayors)
+1 RPG Assistants, non-Government Positions (Office deputies, Attachees, Helpers, etc.)
This was discussed in the bank-thread lately. Please correct ;-)
Will the be official help for startups to calculate the startup- and maintenance-costs?
Shaitan
der Besucher
It wasn't an error, dis. I reorganized based on the relative authority and responsibility of the positions. There was a lot of conflicting and unrelated stuff to stick together and this was one of the things that got unconflicted. I'm interested to hear any particular argument for any switches.
The law offices of Apro, Poe & Nuffin have specialists in business law that could facilitate a business start-up.
The law offices of Apro, Poe & Nuffin have specialists in business law that could facilitate a business start-up.
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it was discussed in the bank-tread. stuck as a mac said it was a typo by strider.
census office is definitely (like all offices) a GOVERNMENT position. with the rules you put up, the census office would be paid less than the leader of the cultural art museum, which is a almost-no-work-job. if we put non-government positions higher than the low-government positions, we pay the people with the most volunteer-work the least.
this is bad.
census office is definitely (like all offices) a GOVERNMENT position. with the rules you put up, the census office would be paid less than the leader of the cultural art museum, which is a almost-no-work-job. if we put non-government positions higher than the low-government positions, we pay the people with the most volunteer-work the least.
this is bad.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I didn't put non-government in at all. I broke it into High and Low unelected government positions. The two items I feel are debatable are mayors and RPG assistants being equivalent to high or low unelected government. Although you and some of the Asphynxian mayors did an excellent job in G1, the vast majority of mayors were esentially absentee landlords. For RPG assistants, we just don't know what's going to be required as far as the workload goes at this point.
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im also against the +4gpt for moderators!
this is stupid and should not be.
it is the highest pay (almost) and you still can run for department positions! no way!
i will immediately start discussion on this topic and request holding of all payments until this discussion is closed.
as told so often before, it would have been better to bring this thing to open discussion BEFORE implementation. i prayed this for 1 month now, but nobody wanted to listen... there was plenty of time. now we have the mess!
this is stupid and should not be.
it is the highest pay (almost) and you still can run for department positions! no way!
i will immediately start discussion on this topic and request holding of all payments until this discussion is closed.
as told so often before, it would have been better to bring this thing to open discussion BEFORE implementation. i prayed this for 1 month now, but nobody wanted to listen... there was plenty of time. now we have the mess!
HEY! Mods get an extra 4gpt? now tell me there is something wrong with that! 
that is unfair! Also disorganizer is right. There was an agreement with SAaM that mayors get 2gpt, not 1.
Also 200g for manufacturing is way too much. maybe 100g for manufacturing, 50g for resale and 25g for sevices.
that is unfair! Also disorganizer is right. There was an agreement with SAaM that mayors get 2gpt, not 1.Also 200g for manufacturing is way too much. maybe 100g for manufacturing, 50g for resale and 25g for sevices.
trader/warrior
Deity
can i be the price manager if these rules will be the real rules?
Shaitan
der Besucher
The startup costs were figured using a standard ROI formula. They do require that the business theory be viable. That is why the first business for each citizen is a free set up. Everybody will be able to get in on the action.
Can someone give me a reason why mayors should be +2? I said I thought this was debatable but no debate has been offered.
The mod payment was not my idea. However, in the overal scheme of paying a job based on its responsibilities and duties, is it unreasonable?
Can someone give me a reason why mayors should be +2? I said I thought this was debatable but no debate has been offered.
The mod payment was not my idea. However, in the overal scheme of paying a job based on its responsibilities and duties, is it unreasonable?
Shaitan
der Besucher
I'm not understanding your logic, Civanator. Payment is supposed to be comensurate with the tasks and duties required for the job. That is the only reason that I am concerned with. How much do you think the mod job is worth?
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