Are you Politically Correct?

[AmazonQueen]

Given that like a fifth of the population has had mental health issues this seems like a reaction that was fairly inevitable

Well he doesn't say it any more.
He wasn't long out of the navy then and I get the impression there wasn't much pc there.

 

[Estebonrober]

Very different I'd say and I wouldn't find "hey guys" insulting myself, except that I don't like people I barely know addressing me familiarly, but that's just me being behind the times and remembering a time when things were a little more formal..

Oh yea sry I wouldn't say that to strange adults, maybe to kids playing at a playground or something. See all sorts of norms breaking and being established. This whole PC thing goes to my theory that a great part of our political flux is that our cultures are all changing more rapidly than ever before. This leads to a lot of anxiety.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I think the rancor over political correctness is so bad that I don't even want to comment on it. I had one example but decided not to post about it because I don't want to be called a bigot by people I like and respect.

Are people who call you a bigot over faddish pc language worth having your respect?

And to dive right in that fetid pool...I do think that pc language is an evolving thing. Some things will stick and others won't or have not. The adoption of of pc language is generational and cultural. My mother never got beyond being Mrs. Joan Doe. That appellation served her well for 100 years. I moved to Ms. easily and my wife never choose to be a Mrs. Birdjaguar. We also are quite happy with he, she and they. I have never run across a circumstance where they don't work well enough to communicate effectively. We will have to see how many of the faddish gender choices now available stick and how many fade away because non one uses them. FB has 58 gender choices and Tinder 37. WTH.

I don't care what gender anyone is, wants to be, has been, or is becoming. Keep it to yourself. I will figure out what bucket to put you in once we meet. If your identity is so tied to one of the up and coming choices that you need to announce it and where it on your sleeve, please do so, but don't expect me actually care. You don't earn my respect for being a "Gender questioning" person. You earn my respect for being an interesting person who is fun to be around and who can contribute positively to what's going on.

 

[Arwon]

It's interesting how people interpret the mere existence of trans and non-binary gender identities as "politically correct". I guess some people are labelled political just by existing.

 

[Berzerker]

They're not labeled pc for existing, their insistence on compliance is why its pc. Just to give an example of right wing pc, uberpatriots want other people's children pledging allegiance to the state and their god. Thats not pc because of ideology or politics but because they demand compliance and get really offended by dissent.

like this

https://www.foxnews.com/us/montana-...moving-his-hat-during-national-anthem-reports

 

[Imaus]

I guess I'm very PC. But this whole trend of self-censoring via asterisks for something 'icky' is not my cup of tea. Grow up and just type it out, unless it's been literally censored by the site, in which case the site can stuff it.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It's interesting how people interpret the mere existence of trans and non-binary gender identities as "politically correct". I guess some people are labelled political just by existing.

The PC label has been around for a long time. By the 80s it had become a label of solidarity on using language to reflect social and cultural changes. Using "Ms." showed solidarity with some aspects of feminism. The same went for "flight attendant" over "stewardess". In recent times pc meant using fewer male oriented language words. In the past decade all of those against two gender language have been pushing multiple gender choices. The word "politically" in the pc phrasing is only political in that it is mostly associated with progressive thinking. A person can be politically progressive though and not give a whit about gender.

 

[rah]

If their gender designation is that important to them, just tell me and let me know what you prefer. I'm not going to guess. I'm too old. I'll try to abide by your wishes but if I'm your friend I expect an occasional forgiveness if I screw up. If your not my friend then does it matter if I know what you are. None of my business.

There is a lot of PC that makes sense and I agree with it 100% but some just seem a bit silly to me. I was wondering how this would go based on perceived age.

 

[Broken_Erika]

If their gender designation is that important to them, just tell me and let me know what you prefer. I'm not going to guess. I'm too old.

Just do what my grandpa did. "Hey You!" covers just about every possible situation.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Are people who call you a bigot over faddish pc language worth having your respect?

Sometimes yes. I probably do harbor bigoted thoughts that ought to be confronted, both for my sake so I can grow and by extension so that we can have a more tolerant, accepting society. Unfortunately, there is a razor thin line between trying to enlighten someone and insulting them, especially when the enlightener has their own feelings wrapped up in the discussion.

To the topic- I think deadnaming and refusing to use the correct gender pronoun for a transperson is a terrible thing. It's usually pretty obvious which gender a person is trying to identify with and it's the decent thing to roll with it, especially if they've upfront told you as much (but the shouldn't even have to!). I think it's ugly on a very personal level when someone refuses to do this and when some politician goes on a tear and refuses to address a transwoman as a woman (Chelsea Manning is a great example), I see it on the same level as calling a black person the n-word.

On the other hand (and this is where I'm going to get called out), I don't have a lot of patience for zhe/it/other non-gender binary pronouns. Even then, for me isn't the issue the pronouns, it's the way they're foisted into every conversation by the people who want to be referred to by them, i.e. "Hey guys!" -- "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?". When the interaction is just, 'hey I prefer going by this', it's fine but in the few instances I've interacted with people that prefer this, it comes to completely dominate the interaction to the point where I've come away with the distinct impression that they're primarily attention-seekers, all other issues aside.

And that leads into my other complaint, that too often political correctness is used to shame and even harass people into taking a particular stance in place of an actual argument. And a lot of it is silly, I think for example, the whole concept of being 'triggered' is juvenile outside of certain circumstances. Intellectually, I get it and I don't want to make people uncomfortable on purpose but everyone has something that they're particularly affected by but the world isn't such that we get to attack other people over these sore spots. Well we do, but it's not right.

I get that my thoughts on the non-gender binary issues are rooted in bad personal experiences and I've listened to well-articulated arguments in podcasts and stuff explaining triggering and the non-gender binary pronouns like zhe but my experiences with them on the ground do not match up very well with intellectual arguments made in their favor.

There, I've said it and I'm sure I'm going to regret it.

 

[warpus]

I refuse to say "Gosh" except for in quotes so call me what you will

 

[Lemon Merchant]

I think the whole "you guys" thing is rather silly and totally blown out of proportion by some. It's become a generic term, used in the vernacular to denote both genders. I mean really. I certainly don't care if I'm in a group and someone says "you guys." And I most certainly won't have a crap hemorrhage over it, as some are wont to do.

Something else that has become a PC hot button (at least where I live), is men can no longer say "girl's night out" when referring to their girlfriends going out to party without the men. It's verboten. But women can say it! WTH? A man can't even use the term "girl" without someone flipping out about it, but women can. Just how exactly does that work? We can also call the men "boys", but men using the word "girl" is a no-no? How stupid is that?

Doing my post graduate work at university was the longest four years of my life with all of this PC crap. There is nothing that you can say on campus that doesn't offend somebody. It's like walking on eggshells. You never know who you will set off. I hated teaching because there was always someone in the class with a PC agenda, ready to correct everything you say, or demand gender neutral pronouns or something else. I still hate teaching, btw.

I have a patient who is a tomboy. However, I am not allowed to use the term in paperwork. I must call her a "rough and tumble child." Good God, what are we coming to if we're so worried about language and offending a small minority? Why don't my favorite comedians come to college campuses any more? Why can't I say the term "********" to mean anything but the mentally disadvantaged (As in, "The engine speed was ********." <-- meaning slowed down) without being sanctioned?

I am so fed up with all of this I have become anti-PC. I deliberately go out of my way to use non-PC terms, except where I am required (like at work). I hope I offend everyone.

 

[Estebonrober]

I think the whole "you guys" thing is rather silly and totally blown out of proportion by some. It's become a generic term, used in the vernacular to denote both genders. I mean really. I certainly don't care if I'm in a group and someone says "you guys." And I most certainly won't have a crap hemorrhage over it, as some are wont to do.

Something else that has become a PC hot button (at least where I live), is men can no longer say "girl's night out" when referring to their girlfriends going out to party without the men. It's verboten. But women can say it! WTH? A man can't even use the term "girl" without someone flipping out about it, but women can. Just how exactly does that work? We can also call the men "boys", but men using the word "girl" is a no-no? How stupid is that?

Doing my post graduate work at university was the longest four years of my life with all of this PC crap. There is nothing that you can say on campus that doesn't offend somebody. It's like walking on eggshells. You never know who you will set off. I hated teaching because there was always someone in the class with a PC agenda, ready to correct everything you say, or demand gender neutral pronouns or something else. I still hate teaching, btw.

I have a patient who is a tomboy. However, I am not allowed to use the term in paperwork. I must call her a "rough and tumble child." Good God, what are we coming to if we're so worried about language and offending a small minority? Why don't my favorite comedians come to college campuses any more? Why can't I say the term "********" to mean anything but the mentally disadvantaged (As in, "The engine speed was ********." <-- meaning slowed down) without being sanctioned?

I am so fed up with all of this I have become anti-PC. I deliberately go out of my way to use non-PC terms, except where I am required (like at work). I hope I offend everyone.

It causes me anxiety just thinking my way through the maze of it. I'm kidding, but in seriousness being at that conference in the video would actually cause me anxiety. How does that work out in this PC stuff? It obviously has caused you anxiety.

 

[Estebonrober]

Sometimes yes. I probably do harbor bigoted thoughts that ought to be confronted, both for my sake so I can grow and by extension so that we can have a more tolerant, accepting society. Unfortunately, there is a razor thin line between trying to enlighten someone and insulting them, especially when the enlightener has their own feelings wrapped up in the discussion.

To the topic- I think deadnaming and refusing to use the correct gender pronoun for a transperson is a terrible thing. It's usually pretty obvious which gender a person is trying to identify with and it's the decent thing to roll with it, especially if they've upfront told you as much (but the shouldn't even have to!). I think it's ugly on a very personal level when someone refuses to do this and when some politician goes on a tear and refuses to address a transwoman as a woman (Chelsea Manning is a great example), I see it on the same level as calling a black person the n-word.

On the other hand (and this is where I'm going to get called out), I don't have a lot of patience for zhe/it/other non-gender binary pronouns. Even then, for me isn't the issue the pronouns, it's the way they're foisted into every conversation by the people who want to be referred to by them, i.e. "Hey guys!" -- "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER?". When the interaction is just, 'hey I prefer going by this', it's fine but in the few instances I've interacted with people that prefer this, it comes to completely dominate the interaction to the point where I've come away with the distinct impression that they're primarily attention-seekers, all other issues aside.

And that leads into my other complaint, that too often political correctness is used to shame and even harass people into taking a particular stance in place of an actual argument. And a lot of it is silly, I think for example, the whole concept of being 'triggered' is juvenile outside of certain circumstances. Intellectually, I get it and I don't want to make people uncomfortable on purpose but everyone has something that they're particularly affected by but the world isn't such that we get to attack other people over these sore spots. Well we do, but it's not right.

I get that my thoughts on the non-gender binary issues are rooted in bad personal experiences and I've listened to well-articulated arguments in podcasts and stuff explaining triggering and the non-gender binary pronouns like zhe but my experiences with them on the ground do not match up very well with intellectual arguments made in their favor.

There, I've said it and I'm sure I'm going to regret it.

I pretty much agree with this completely hobbs, but I'm a cishetero or whatever they label me as. . . idk

 

[Birdjaguar]

I refuse to say "Gosh" except for in quotes so call me what you will

Gosh darnit Warpus, I call you civilized.

 

[Old Hippy]

It causes me anxiety just thinking my way through the maze of it. I'm kidding, but in seriousness being at that conference in the video would actually cause me anxiety. How does that work out in this PC stuff? It obviously has caused you anxiety.

don't worry they have quite rooms just for you anxiety... provided comrades use the stairs/escalators/not the elevators...(its so straight forward when your politically correct)... but please don't wear an ''aggressive scent''..cause you have to be aware of ''right wing infiltrators''...

courtesy of @bernie14

 

[Zardnaar]

Over here there was an article by a trans women complaining about gender reveal parties. And mother's basically get called a transphobe.

Or if you complain about Star Wars you're sexist. I liked Wonder Women, TLJ was just crap.

Uber liberals can't work out why people vote Trump. He's not insulting them but the far left is.

Alot of it also comes across as attention seeking fueled by social media. My sister was in town with her daughter and I mentioned gender studies at the local university. I had to explain what it was and her response was are you serious and laughed.

 

[bernie14]

CFC needs a jazz hands emoji

 

[Broken_Erika]

I'll go what is referred to as Politically Correct to a reasonable extent. Past that, if they don't like it, that's what middle fingers are for.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Did Apple pay for that product placement in that video?