Arpaio Pardoned

[Zkribbler]

... as detention centers for undocumented folks and even the normal prison system goes, Arpaio's actions were not that far out of the ordinary.

I sure hope you're wrong.
145 degree heat [63 C]. Plastic shoes of the prisoners melting.
Arpaio bragged he fed prisoners baloney sandwiches with meat that was so rotten in was green and with mold-covered bread.
Denying medical care, with deputies callously watching as prisoners died.

 

[AmtrakQuebec]

So, I'm guessing Drumpf would have pardoned Hitler too after WWII...

cause, you know, 145 degree heat for prisoners seems very Hitleresque.

 

[Lexicus]

I sure hope you're wrong.
145 degree heat [63 C]. Plastic shoes of the prisoners melting.
Arpaio bragged he fed prisoners baloney sandwiches with meat that was so rotten in was green and with mold-covered bread.
Denying medical care, with deputies callously watching as prisoners died.

Not so sure about the 145-degree heat, but all the other things have certainly happened at other prisons. Arpaio was an egregious example but abuse and vicious cruelty are almost certainly quite common in the prison system (there is not really, AFAIK, serious evidence of this because the prison system is not sufficiently transparent, but episodes and incidents that have been bad enough to be reported on by the media are a steady trickle and there is lots of other anecdotal evidence). Moreover there are numerous voters who think that our prisons should be cruel to exact retribution on those convicted of crimes, and plenty of folks like J who think of undocumented people as deserving whatever they get.

 

[JollyRoger]

Joe wasn't running a prison. He was running a jail. Most of his inmates had not been convicted when he was mistreating them.

 

[Verbose]

Not so sure about the 145-degree heat, but all the other things have certainly happened at other prisons. Arpaio was an egregious example but abuse and vicious cruelty are almost certainly quite common in the prison system

The question over this pardon is less if prison systems sometime display examples of abuse and cruelty, but whether they SHOULD display it?

The pardon would seem to indicate that those things are not bugs, and should features in Trump's US.

 

[Lexicus]

Joe wasn't running a prison. He was running a jail. Most of his inmates had not been convicted when he was mistreating them.

The implication being that the mistreatment would be acceptable had they been convicted of crimes? I disagree, if so.

The question over this pardon is less if prison systems sometime display examples of abuse and cruelty, but whether they SHOULD display it?

The pardon would seem to indicate that those things are not bugs, and should features in Trump's US.

Indeed:

Moreover there are numerous voters who think that our prisons should be cruel to exact retribution on those convicted of crimes, and plenty of folks like J who think of undocumented people as deserving whatever they get.

 

[Hrothbern]

Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky: "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."

From the Hall of the Death, 1865
As punishment for being part of secret society of literary figures, Dostoyevsky was sentenced to four years' hard labor in Siberia during the 1850s.

https://books.google.nl/books?id=ck6bXqt5shkC&pg=PA210&lpg=PA210&dq=Constance+Garnett+book+The+House+of+the+Dead+"The+degree+of+civilization+in+a+society+can+be+judged+by+entering+its+prisons."&source=bl&ots=oD89Wznd1h&sig=W-NXseVvbpA5neIdnl67dCrfS4E&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN9K3sr6LWAhVKLFAKHb-YBdUQ6AEITzAG#v=onepage&q=Constance Garnett book The House of the Dead "The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons."&f=false

 

[Lexicus]

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/natural-human-behavior-pein

@Zkribbler you should read this

 

[onejayhawk]

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/natural-human-behavior-pein

That's hilarious. Too bad they weren't trying for vast excess.

J

 

[Lexicus]

I think it's funny that you put so little effort into this post your own text ended up inside your quote tags.