Jan. 6th commission

[Remorseless1]

Oklahoma looks like it's fixing up to kill a man over the prosecutor's objections to the trials he's received. They destroyed evidence in that one, too.

Yeah it's a crazy case. Glossop's alleged hired killer has recanted his testimony that Glossop paid him to kill a man, evidence was either "lost" or concealed from Glossop's defense attorney, and craziest of all, the OK attorney general and our idiot governor both both asked the Pardon and parole Board to commute Glossop's sentence. Yet here we are.

 

[Gori the Grey]

you put way too much faith in court outcomes being necessarily valid.

If the defendants' lawyers don't even so much as make an appeal . . . ?

Then, surely, you'll regard these as bogus/trumped up allegations of judicial malfeasance . . .

 

[JollyRoger]

Some times the courts get it wrong - Rittenhouse and Zimmermann are obvious examples.

 

[Farm Boy]

Indeed. Sometimes juries are supportive of chasing down kids and murdering them and sometimes they aren't.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Justice Department asks for 25-year prison sentence for convicted Oath Keepers leader​

By Hannah Rabinowitz, CNN
Updated 8:46 PM EDT, Fri May 5, 2023

Prosecutors asked a federal judge Friday to sentence Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the far-right Oath Keepers, to 25 years in prison. In November, a Washington, DC, jury convicted Rhodes and fellow group member Kelly Meggs of seditious conspiracy for their role in the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol. Rhodes, Meggs and the three other defendants – Jessica Watkins, Kenneth Harrelson and Thomas Caldwell – were also convicted of obstructing an official proceeding.

The Justice Department alleged during the historic criminal trial that the Oath Keepers conspired to forcibly stop the peaceful transfer of presidential power from then-President Donald Trump to Joe Biden and plotted to attack the US Capitol on January 6. The trial was a major test of the Justice Department’s ability to hold Capitol rioters accountable.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/stewart-rhodes-sentencing-recommendation/index.html

 

[Gori the Grey]

Dam dun broke.

Eight fake electors in GA have accepted immunity deals.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Dam dun broke.

Eight fake electors in GA have accepted immunity deals.

And the NYT says there is a ninth. Out of 16.

 

[Samson]

And that means what? From this it does not sound wholly positive

With half of the fake electors now apparently immune from prosecution, the scope of a potential conspiracy indictment ensnaring Trump and the electors – identified as targets in the case – may have narrowed, not least because the immunity deals did not compel any incriminating information in return.

The filing also raised new questions about how prosecutors might handle the fake electors more broadly, after the lawyer for the eight, Kimberley Debrow, effectively accused the district attorney’s office of misrepresenting key facts in an earlier motion seeking to have her disqualified.

“All of the electors remain united in their collective innocence and defenses, and none testified or believe that they or any other elector committed any wrongdoing, much less ‘criminal acts’,” the filing said.​

 

[Gori the Grey]

It means they're going to give up Trump.

Don't take your understanding of the matter from an article that cites the defense attorney. She refused to communicate to the fake electors offers of immunity; she's paid for by Trump.

Trump's hosed.

Now, he wriggles out of every blessed jam, so who knows? But I think of the juror (not the foreperson who spoke out first) who said, "if the country knew what we know, it wouldn't be so divided." I think Willis has got Trump dead to rights.

Oh, and Bird, it'll be all sixteen by the end of the day. That's part of what I mean when I say the dam has broken. There comes a time when people decide that they're better served by cooperating with the prosecution than by continuing to cover for the culprit. As soon as that happens, everyone's fingers start pointing--in the direction of the ultimate culprit.

 

[IglooDame]

And that means what? From this it does not sound wholly positive

With half of the fake electors now apparently immune from prosecution, the scope of a potential conspiracy indictment ensnaring Trump and the electors – identified as targets in the case – may have narrowed, not least because the immunity deals did not compel any incriminating information in return.​

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The filing also raised new questions about how prosecutors might handle the fake electors more broadly, after the lawyer for the eight, Kimberley Debrow, effectively accused the district attorney’s office of misrepresenting key facts in an earlier motion seeking to have her disqualified.​

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“All of the electors remain united in their collective innocence and defenses, and none testified or believe that they or any other elector committed any wrongdoing, much less ‘criminal acts’,” the filing said.​

Sure, but why would the prosecutor grant them immunity if it doesn't advance the prosecution in any way?

 

[Sommerswerd]

They might all be giving up Giuliani.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Well, I think it may not go all the way back to Trump--just to Giuliani or Stone or some middleman. And if so, it will be a separate question whether those henchmen will flip on Trump. But isn't it a known thing that Trump had some of these fake electors to the White House? If I'm remembering that aright, then perhaps he was directly involved in the ask. He was, and you could tell he wanted to be, the driving force in the call to Raffesberger, on the thinking that "of course he'll knuckle under; it's me." So he may have been equally hands-on with the fake electors.

Anyway, this all ought to be in the "Trump Indicted" thread, not the "January 6 Commission" thread. And pretty soon in the "Trump Indicted Again" thread.

 

[Kaitzilla]

And when demand outstrips supply, well ...

Entrapment is not a crime.

It merely impedes convictions sometimes.

In more entrapment news, a federal judge has ordered the early release of 3 men from 2011 from their mandatory minimum 25 year sentences.

A judge called an FBI operative a 'villain.' Ruling comes too late for 2 convicted in terror sting

A federal judge recently ordered the release of three of the “Newburgh Four,” who were arrested in 2009 in a fictitious plot to destroy military planes and New York synagogues.

apnews.com

Onta Williams, David Williams and Laguerre Payen — three of the men known as the “Newburgh Four” — were “hapless, easily manipulated and penurious petty criminals” caught up more than a decade ago in a scheme driven by overzealous FBI agents and a dodgy informant, U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon said in her ruling Thursday.

“The real lead conspirator was the United States,” McMahon wrote in granting the men’s request for compassionate release, effective in three months.

She said that it was “heinous” of the men to agree to participate in what she called the government’s “made for TV movie.” But, the judge added, “the sentence was the product of a fictitious plot to do things that these men had never remotely contemplated, and that were never going to happen.”

Ahh, George W. Bush era FBI!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Former Proud Boy who smashed Capitol window in Jan. 6 attack sentenced to 10 years​

A former Proud Boy member who was convicted for his actions in the Jan. 6 attacks on the U.S. Capitol was sentenced to 10 years in prison Friday -- then shouted "Trump won!" on his way out of the courtroom.

U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly sentenced Dominic Pezzola to 10 years with a three-year supervised release, along with a $700 fine. While Pezzola was not a leader of the group, Judge Kelly said he was a prominent member who had influence on the events of Jan. 6.

In handing down his sentence, Judge Kelly accepted the government's recommendation to apply an enhancement that effectively labeled Pezzola's crimes as acts of terrorism in seeking to influence the actions of government through threats and use of force.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/for...pezzola-sentenced-10-years/story?id=102861119

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Sommerswerd]

Maybe it just means the Republicans are bunglers. They can't seem to elect a Speaker, even, so...

This was posted in December... of 2022... I couldn't resist taking note of it

 

[Farm Boy]

Yeah yeah, gitcher metronomes out. Every vote counts the same, so that's a sub 51% classification of a problem.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Speaking of metronomes... did you put up any decorations yet? I put up wreaths only last week but I still haven't gotten a tree.

I wonder how many more Jan 6th related convictions we will get before the 2nd anniversary of Jan 6th tis' the season... (for convictions ... tra la la la la....)

 

[Gori the Grey]

Don we now our prison outfits fa-la-la-la-la la-la la la.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Locked-up in-time for-the ball-ots, fa-la-la-la-la la-la la la