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Interestingly "truth" is a complex word in Greek. Alhtheia (Αλήθεια) comes from a and lethe, the latter meaning forgetfulness. So truth in Greek literaly means that which is intact memory-wise.

Curiously Freud argued, probably independently of this, that the state he considered as cured for his patients was "when their line of memory had fully been restored".
 
I really hope I'm not coming off as a troll here, but what kind of job can you get with a Philosophy degree? If not, did you do it for the self-enlightenment? (which I would consider to be worthy in itself).
 
Originally i planned to get at least an MA, if not a doctorate. It is just that things did not work out, and you are right in thinking that a BA in Philosophy by itself does not guarantee a set job. But i think each difficulty is for the best, who knows how i would be like if i was working in a university now. At least the way things turned i have enough to write literature for ten lifetimes, which is pretty much what i am doing with relative success :)
 
What is truth?

Formally, as pertains to logic, it doesn't really matter. All that matter is the a proposition can hold two values; true and false, and that truth is not identical to falsehood. Indeed, many logicians (especially those of a mathematical bent) dispense with 'truth' altogether and use binary; 'true' is equivalent to '1' and 'false' is equivalent to '1'. The point of this is that as long as all true things have the same value ('true') and all false things have the same value ('false') we can do logic without committing to a substantive semantic definition of 'truth'. On this approach a valid logical system is one in which from premises with a value of '1' conclusions with a value of '1' can be derived. The point is to assess the validity of the system, rather than whatever value the system contains.

Of course, the validity of the system would not concern us very much if we did not think that the value within the system was important; we do logic partly because we think that value is important. And it is unlikely that we think binary values particularly important (why would '1' be better than '0'?). Consequently the binary approach does, if we want it to be epistemically interesting, presuppose either that we already have adequate understanding of truth or that it can be acquired.

But is this really such an extravagant presupposition? You ask 'What is truth' but I do not for a second believe you do not understand the word 'truth'. Surely, when someone says 'Speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth' you do not make the characteristic sound of confusion that a person makes when confronted with a sentence they find incomprehensible (consider: 'Speak the purple, the whole purple, and nothing but the purple'). Quite plausibly, this understanding is enough for our purposes (if not, why not? Do you have purposes different to those of logicians?).

If you want your question answered in a substantive way, I am afraid you will have to read some primary literature. It is not a subject I can do justice to within a brief paragraph (especially given I have not come to my own conclusions as to the correct account of truth). Perfunctorily, I would probably take it that a proposition is true if and only if it is the case. Truth is that property of propositions which occurs when they are the case. I am sure the next question you will want to ask is what does it mean for a proposition to 'be the case'. This is not a trivial question. But if we find it difficult to answer in the form of definition that does not mean that the previous definition is deficient or the project in which we are engaging futile. Again, understanding can, must and does intercede at a brute level, at some point (and where it is needed, depends on our purposes).
 
Truth doesn't matter?
 
Once I red in some spiritual text that Truth is contrary to Reason and it took me long time to come to certain understanding of that statement. What is your view?
 
Reason itself, (rational thought) appears to be (at least according to psychological treatises) a very late development in the human brain. This does not mean it is of less worth, but it does mean that it is not the only thing in our brain. So truth would encompass the non-rational, "absurd" part of our mental world too, and it does each moment without us realizing, since our consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg of our mental world.
 
Reason itself, (rational thought) appears to be (at least according to psychological treatises) a very late development in the human brain. This does not mean it is of less worth, but it does mean that it is not the only thing in our brain. So truth would encompass the non-rational, "absurd" part of our mental world too, and it does each moment without us realizing, since our consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg of our mental world.

Or maybe our mental part/being/world is only tiny portion of our actual consciousness?

My understanding of that statment is that if it is true that this world is projection from the Source which is all real and true than this creation is possible only by creating(projection into) something different/opposite to it - Matter. Mind and Reason are products of development/evolution from Matter and are subject to its limitations so the truth discovered by them cant be possibly of the true Nature. One either needs transformation in mind or use some higher instrument then mind to be capable of knowing the Truth.
 
Or maybe our mental part/being/world is only tiny portion of our actual consciousness?

My understanding of that statment is that if it is true that this world is projection from the Source which is all real and true than this creation is possible only by creating(projection into) something different/opposite to it - Matter. Mind and Reason are products of development/evolution from Matter and are subject to its limitations so the truth discovered by them cant be possibly of the true Nature. One either needs transformation in mind or use some higher instrument then mind to be capable of knowing the Truth.

We just use different terms, in my own terminology (which to my knowledge is also what psychology uses) the mental world is ALL you have in your consciousness & the subconscious,unconscious. It is that which belongs to you, whether you are aware of it or not. For example that lost toy you had (an example) when you were 5, is part of your subconscious now. That previous development in your existence (pre language, prehistoric elements inherited through your dna) is part of your unconscious.

There are of course many different theories about the make up of the mental world. Each philosopher has his own, and then there are the psychological ones, which are numerous as well.
 
We just use different terms, in my own terminology (which to my knowledge is also what psychology uses) the mental world is ALL you have in your consciousness & the subconscious,unconscious. It is that which belongs to you, whether you are aware of it or not. For example that lost toy you had (an example) when you were 5, is part of your subconscious now. That previous development in your existence (pre language, prehistoric elements inherited through your dna) is part of your unconscious.

There are of course many different theories about the make up of the mental world. Each philosopher has his own, and then there are the psychological ones, which are numerous as well.

Yeah, I thought so. I also view the Mind being Source of Matter not vice versa.
Btw what theory of make up of the mental/psychic world is the one you feel affinity for?
 
Yeah, I thought so. I also view the Mind being Source of Matter not vice versa.
Btw what theory of make up of the mental/psychological world is the one you feel affinity for?

I am mostly inclined to think that the Freudian-based psychology (which by itself was based on many previous theories, not least in ancient Greek philosophy) at least highlights a logical dissection of the mental world. I am mostly interested in the shadowy unconscious, since you can form consciousness in any way you want to, but the unconscious is said to be VAST in relation to your consciousness. There you have all of the mental calculations going on at any time so as to allow for the phenomenon termed "conciousness". But you also have all calculations for your somatic well-being, how much blood must circulate, the chemical make-up to be sustained etc. It is the central processor of the human system, so to speak, and although one can try to take parts of it as his own conscious control (i did that in the past) it is very dangerous and ultimatelly (i now think) useless. It would be like trying to develop the ability to calculate with your mind how much 183482920293 times 282910393484 is, instead of just using the computer. Consciousness is home to the highest mental functions already, although if you are interested in analysis then you might want to have a look at how mental abilities break up to smaller foundation blocks of abilities. Plotinus once suggested Kant as an analytical mind (not to be confused with so called 'analytic philosophy' btw) ;)
 
I'd really would like an answer to this question! :)

I read Aristotle, both on my own and in University (The Nicomachian Ethics). I never was really interested in how different branches of logic are named, more so in english. If you wish to discuss formal logic it would be a better idea to provide an example to discuss ;)
 
I am mostly inclined to think that the Freudian-based psychology (which by itself was based on many previous theories, not least in ancient Greek philosophy) at least highlights a logical dissection of the mental world. I am mostly interested in the shadowy unconscious, since you can form consciousness in any way you want to, but the unconscious is said to be VAST in relation to your consciousness. There you have all of the mental calculations going on at any time so as to allow for the phenomenon termed "conciousness". But you also have all calculations for your somatic well-being, how much blood must circulate, the chemical make-up to be sustained etc. It is the central processor of the human system, so to speak, and although one can try to take parts of it as his own conscious control (i did that in the past) it is very dangerous and ultimatelly (i now think) useless. It would be like trying to develop the ability to calculate with your mind how much 183482920293 times 282910393484 is, instead of just using the computer. Consciousness is home to the highest mental functions already, although if you are interested in analysis then you might want to have a look at how mental abilities break up to smaller foundation blocks of abilities. Plotinus once suggested Kant as an analytical mind (not to be confused with so called 'analytic philosophy' btw) ;)

The thing is that the unconsious doesnt have the necessery power to shape the life or will to something superior. It has of course tremendous power but it is the power of mad elephant and unlesss you approach it with illumined part of your consciousness it is, as you said, dangerous. But subconsciouss itself has some source and if one can approach that one can achieve good results. Subconsciouss is to great extent processor and possesor of human system but just becouse evolution is quite unstopable phenomenon it simply cant remain that way.
 
I'd really would like an answer to this question! :)

Given your evident, I hope that you're not offended if I answer even though the question was not directed at me.

I have studied semantics and systems of both propositional and predicate logic (including predicate logic with identity). For both orders of logic I have studied proofs in a system of natural deduction (and, of course, truth tables). I have studied the semantics of modal logic (but no modal systems) as well as both semantics (but this is just metaethics) and systems of deontic logic (logic of ethical sentences). I have briefly touched on set-theory as pertains to logic.

Roughly, my familiarity with the subject matter reduces as one moves down that list. In no case would I say I was particularly expert (I am not a professional, after all).
 
I would be interested to know how is viewed in philosophy relation of subconscious, inconscience with what I would call superconscious or all-conscious.
In my opinion you cant have inconscience develop into consciousness without the Superconscious being the source of them both or without Superconscious being involved in inconscience.
 
Inconscience= no consciousness= nothingness (supposedly before being)?

It is in a way the same problem as the theory of the formation of the cosmos, you cannot really trace it back to moment Zero. Maybe this means there was no moment zero, and the concept of time is not what has been thought it was, namely something moving towards one direction.
 
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