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[Zardnaar]

May it was surprise for you or for me, but not for experts from CIAs, who worked on it.
...Problems of USSR wasn't very secretive, I lived in this period and simpple walking by shops in Moscow in other town could give all demanded information for common people, and for experts.
...Colapse of USSR was inescapable after oil price was drop ... now the same situation can be with Russia.
You can read about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_oil_glut (and it wasn't withouth paricipating of CIA)

In early 80s very few people predicted Soviet Collapse. At least by 1991.

AFAIK some experts did but the majority thought it would collapse later.

It's like the 2008 collapse only a few saw it.

I read that probably in the 90s. I mean the west knew about food lines etc but there were still a few closed cities and a lot if the Soviet hinterland was off limits.

Outside of Moscow, Leningrad and maybe Kiev not that much was really known about the internal Dynamics.

 

[Goodman74]

Yes.


I wouldn't say it was seen as insult. They were invited and it was more like an option to show respect, but no one really expected them to do it after 2014 events. Mr. Xi did though.


Third year in a row and keeps going.
"As reported by bne IntelliNews, Russia is currently the world’s top wheat exporter. It is also among the leaders in exports of fish and sunflower oil. It is now a net exporter of poultry and self sufficient in pork and is making headway in covering its own needs in beef.

In 2019, apart from making Russia the world's largest exporter of wheat for the third year in a row, a solid harvest would reinforce downwards inflationary dynamics and help the central bank to lower interest rates."
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019...o-remain-worlds-biggest-grain-exporter-a65592

It was the best joke what i read for last months.
It's a simple Russia propoganda.
And also the current owner have additional business - is the bigest catering service In Russia (JSC "Aeromar"), which work with main aircompany in Russia - "Aeroflot". In Russia only narrow circle of people, have possibility to do serious businees.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2017/10/1...owner-is-a-russian-catering-company-executive
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/world/europe/new-owner-for-the-moscow-times-and-vedomosti.html

 

[Goodman74]

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I read that probably in the 90s. I mean the west knew about food lines etc but there were still a few closed cities and a lot if the Soviet hinterland was off limits.

Outside of Moscow, Leningrad and maybe Kiev not that much was really known about the internal Dynamics.

Yes we had some towns is closed for foreins, but i think not for spies , but it was not so much may be 10-20.
And i think you know, from CIV VI - fields with farms you can see from long lenght, it isn't a closed cities.
And if you people have problem with food near "Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev", you can imagine how it will be on 4000 km from these towns ... because in these time USSR have centralized production and distribution, not how in CIV, where every cities have own production & consumption of food .

 

[red_elk]

It was the best joke what i read for last months.

Thank you, though it wasn't a joke. I hope you are not banned on google and can verify the information I've given, instead of trying to discredit Moscow Times.

Edit:
List of other "Russian propaganda" sources for you:
http://www.worldstopexports.com/wheat-exports-country/
https://www.ft.com/content/b02b3482-36b1-11e8-8b98-2f31af407cc8
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rting-more-wheat-than-any-country-in-25-years
https://www.reuters.com/article/rus...orts-with-state-led-association-idUSL5N225151

 

[Zardnaar]

Yes we had some towns is closed for foreins, but i think not for spies , but it was not so much may be 10-20.
And i think you know, from CIV VI - fields with farms you can see from long lenght, it isn't a closed cities.
And if you people have problem with food near "Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev", you can imagine how it will be on 4000 km from these towns ... because in these time USSR have centralized production and distribution, not how in CIV, where every cities have own production & consumption of food .

Spies couldn't infiltrate that well due to the KGB.

Book I read had the CIA interviewing tourists. It wasn't about military sites or anything just what they had seen.

Anyone from the US Embassy would be watched like a hawk and tourists couldn't go anywhere secret anyway.

Dissidents were a decent source of information but a few if them were double agents.

Satellite photos and spy planes don't give you crop yields, production figures, number of nukes etc.

The CIA was not as efficient as the KGB or Mossad.

 

[r16]

putin's lot once again tout that the war in Syria has ended but we don't know it or something . Must be why the little dictator of Russia now tries to invade some new country ? Oh-kay Russia out of Syria now .

 

[Goodman74]

Thank you, though it wasn't a joke. I hope you are not banned on google and can verify the information I've given, instead of trying to discredit Moscow Times.
List of other "Russian propaganda" sources for you:
...

In this case, You are right and Moscow Times didn't lie, other sources acknowledge it also.
But regarding Moscow Times, in common, i think, can.t be are true source of information, because, as I wrote before - it owner have very good relationship with Russian goverment.

 

[Goodman74]

Spies couldn't infiltrate that well due to the KGB.
Book I read had the CIA interviewing tourists. It wasn't about military sites or anything just what they had seen.
....
The CIA was not as efficient as the KGB or Mossad.

I think, you have wrong information and at real CIA have spy network in USSR (may be not so big as KGB have in USA) and jave possibility to recieve demand information regading economy of USSR.
Because, I know that some CIA spies was capture on very high level, it garantee that some other wasn't captured.
And I told before, for receiving this information didn't demands to infiltrate special closed towns or submarines base.
And didn't forget regarding defectors and many peoples go out from USSR, especial to Israel, before 90x.

 

[Goodman74]

putin's lot once again tout that the war in Syria has ended but we don't know it or something . Must be why the little dictator of Russia now tries to invade some new country ? Oh-kay Russia out of Syria now .

I don't think that It will be very fast. Other countries? I don't know we din't talk with him regarding this yet
But now situation in Russia is differ, than was before entering in Syria ... I think at nearest time, he will little braked his "active foreign politics".

 

[Goodman74]

For me interested, Do You (who doesn't speak on Russian) have possibility to see (or read) journalist researches regarding corruptions of famous Russian political mans (Medvedev and so on) made by Navalny organization?

 

[Zardnaar]

I think, you have wrong information and at real CIA have spy network in USSR (may be not so big as KGB have in USA) and jave possibility to recieve demand information regading economy of USSR.
Because, I know that some CIA spies was capture on very high level, it garantee that some other wasn't captured.
And I told before, for receiving this information didn't demands to infiltrate special closed towns or submarines base.
And didn't forget regarding defectors and many peoples go out from USSR, especial to Israel, before 90x.

They tried but it was very difficult for them. For example closed cities, tourists couldn't go there and the Soviets and Russians have internal passports.

If they were attached to the US Embassy the KGB had enough manpower to follow everyone. They had enough manpower to follow tourists in occasion (I met a couple who went on trans Siberian rail road 1980).

Dissidents and defectors were valuable some were double agents. In a lot if cases they had to wait to be approached by a Soviet citizen.

The book I read was more 1960s. 1980s it was a bit easier.

Myself I want to go to some weird parts, Republic of Bashkoristan, Kubinka tank museum, May Day parade, Bolgar, Tartarstan, Saratov, Ufa.

Need two or three months. Tourist visa is 1 month. Ours are good for a year.

 

[Zardnaar]

For me interested, Do You (who doesn't speak on Russian) have possibility to see (or read) journalist researches regarding corruptions of famous Russian political mans (Medvedev and so on) made by Navalny organization?

It happened but it's also why Americans love things like U2 spy planes, SR 71 Blackbirds, spy satellites, drones they weren't as good on the ground.

 

[Moriarte]

It was the best joke what i read for last months.

Here’s another joke:

Everything USA government says is simple USA government propaganda. Everything Egyptian government says is simple Egyptian government propaganda. Everything Russian government says is simple Russian government propaganda. Propaganda may or may not contain bullfeathers. So, when you say that something is “propaganda” and post a thousand smileys like you did, it means you simply don’t understand the meaning of the word. Propaganda is neither good nor bad. It’s a process, which describes spreading around of information.

So, if you want to correct falsehood you do it like this: Russian news agency Moscow times is spreading false information. Really, the biggest exporter of grain is Luxembourg. Here is my proof: *insert link here*.

 

[red_elk]

Leningrad - "i_$uss".
Drugs are evil!

 

[Goodman74]

you simply don’t understand the meaning of the word. Propaganda is neither good nor bad. It’s a process, which describes spreading around of information.
So, if you want to correct falsehood you do it like this: Russian news agency Moscow times is spreading false information. Really, the biggest exporter of grain is Luxembourg. Here is my proof: *insert link here*.

Hold on and just relax.
If your opinion regarding goverment propaganda in Russia is differ from my - OK, but it's only your opinion.
And if you was more attentive, you can find my correted post https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/ask-a-russian.189262/page-85#post-15547008
P.S>
And if you want know more regarding Propaganda begin from that https://www.britannica.com/topic/propaganda, for me propaganda always is bad, because it begin from word "manipulate".

 

[Goodman74]

The book I read was more 1960s. 1980s it was a bit easier.
.

We begin talk regarding 80-90s. At 60s in USSR all was good in common.

Myself I want to go to some weird parts, Republic of Bashkoristan, Kubinka tank museum, May Day parade, Bolgar, Tartarstan, Saratov, Ufa.
Need two or three months. Tourist visa is 1 month. Ours are good for a year.

Bolgar(Tartarstan)?
What do you want see there? Did you see all around Moscow & St-Peterburg?
Be prepared when you go to weird place, some times you will have hard languages problem.
Kubinka tank museum It's a not weird place, It's near one hour from Moscow.
May Day parade isn't simple, because number of visitors is very limited, but if you want, you can see machinery, when it go on training (two-three times before parade)

 

[Zardnaar]

We begin talk regarding 80-90s. At 60s in USSR all was good in common.

Bolgar(Tartarstan)?
What do you want see there? Did you see all around Moscow & St-Peterburg?
Be prepared when you go to weird place, some times you will have hard languages problem.
Kubinka tank museum It's a not weird place, It's near one hour from Moscow.
May Day parade isn't simple, because number of visitors is very limited, but if you want, you can see machinery, when it go on training (two-three times before parade)

You can watch the parade from the street yes? I don't need a stand or something.

St Petersburg is very appealing, Moscow not so much but there's a few things there. Ideally I would like a week each place and trying to talk the wife into going next year but she hates traveling.

 

[red_elk]

You can watch the parade from the street yes? I don't need a stand or something.

The parade itself is on Red Square, you can only watch vehicles coming to and from it. And there are rehearsals which are easier to watch.
Pictures to get the idea:
http://archive.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/05/russia_observes_victory_day.html

Moscow center on May 9-th turns into pandemonium, there are huge crowds of people and it's hard to get anywhere. Subway stations usually work only on exit, otherwise metro will be overwhelmed.

 

[Moriarte]

Hold on and just relax.
If your opinion regarding goverment propaganda in Russia is differ from my - OK, but it's only your opinion.
And if you was more attentive, you can find my correted post https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/ask-a-russian.189262/page-85#post-15547008
P.S>
And if you want know more regarding Propaganda begin from that https://www.britannica.com/topic/propaganda, for me propaganda always is bad, because it begin from word "manipulate".

Any government is interested in it’s own survival and prolongation, therefore it manipulates facts, figures to achieve desired outcomes. So, you say “the facts are wrong, here are the right facts”. Ok, sure. But when you say “this is simple russian propaganda” it’s crystal clear you’re engaged in manipulation, because the fact red_elk posted actually exists, while your active denial is an attempt of manipulation. So, you’ve acted like fake news propagandist, spreading false information for thousands of people to see on this website. Are you good with that? And no, you haven’t corrected your post, you haven’t deleted it, you wrote a new one. (another manipulation, trying to accuse moscow times of something) The old post is still there, it starts with the words: “this is simple russian propaganda”.

So yeah, keep posting fake news, while telling me how bad propaganda is and when to relax.

 

[Zardnaar]

The parade itself is on Red Square, you can only watch vehicles coming to and from it. And there are rehearsals which are easier to watch.
Pictures to get the idea:
http://archive.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/05/russia_observes_victory_day.html

Moscow center on May 9-th turns into pandemonium, there are huge crowds of people and it's hard to get anywhere. Subway stations usually work only on exit, otherwise metro will be overwhelmed.

Our equivalent is April 25, crowds are smaller not only because smaller nation but it's at dawn.
From what I can tell the Russian ones have an element of triumph to them ours are sad people cry. It's more what a waste rather than we won.

It's something here Germans notice, every small town has a war memorial including some school gates often more than one in larger centres.

Your immortal regiments are kinda similar in some ways where descendents have phots and medals of grand dad or great grand dad.

And foreign military vets are often welcome.