Ask An Atlanteologist

[EltonJ]

My question is a two parter.

First, how much of this did you get from Stargate?

Second, the answer is "all of it", isn't it?

None of it. Stargate and Stargate: Atlantis has nothing to do with what actually happened.

 

[W|M]

What do you think of these very interesting and innovative ideas?

 

[Goodfella]

They have left a lot of evidence. Those are the ones that can only be verified because many of them are in private collections. You'll never see something such as this in a public collection. It's just too embarrassing for museums to show it on display.

Have you seen any of this privately held evidence yourself? What can be found in these private collections?

Because the Solar System has the most impact. Particularly, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, and Mars. Jupiter, Saturn, Venus, and Mars used to be in Alignment -- straight line, north to south. Earth was fixed in Saturn's LaGrange point for an Indeterminate time. And our Ancestors back at that time saw it.

How can planets and objects in space be aligned north to south? Which of Saturn's LaGrange points was Earth in and when was it there? What is that image supposed to show and how would Earth being in a LaGrange point create that image? What does this have to do with Atlantis?

When Venus started to become unstable due to Saturn's and Mars' influence, we painted the wheel on rock, and then invented it. It was only when Mars started to become physically unstable that we ran into problems.

When did any of this happen? How do you know we didn't paint the wheel while looking at something else? Or that we didn't just see a rock rolling down a hill and thought "hey, that might be useful." What does this have to do with Atlantis?

It would if you thought about how the debates go. Both sides assert they are true, right? Well, both sides are true. Both Evolution and YEC can co-exist if they stop with the nonsense. For us, we want one or the other, well; its both. If they can accept it's both, then they can both come together and see where they can come together.

As for the Theory of Relativity, Einstein was right in relation to matter and energy (although even his equation of e=mc^2 is called into question); but his equations for the black hole is based on Division by Zero. Ehh, you don't do that. IF you do that, you get an answer that's undefined. However, the Big Bangers get away with it.

The Electric Universe is a much simpler explanation. It relates to Atlanteology because of the above configuration that existed. The only way you can get a picture like that is through an Electrical explanation. And since I am telling you that Atlantis was a high tech civilization, it stands to reason that they had a scientific explanation of what they saw.

I'm still confused about what you think this electrical explanation is and how it's different from the common view of the universe. I'm not familiar with David Talbot or why he's relevant.

What do you think of these very interesting and innovative ideas?

Dr. Eugene Ray is the second most esteemed scientist after Sir David Talbot of course.

 

[Rashiminos]

Sure. I love crazy stuff, but I want science-y proofy-ness of crazy stuff. If someone wants to tell me about Atlantis they best be all scienced up first.

Well how about this: Provided that this thread can maintain some semblance of order appropriate for a game forum, the people who want to hear what the OP has to say can stay, and the people whose non-forum requirements aren't being met don't have to participate if they don't feel that they can get what they want out of it? Give the OP some rope, so to speak?

There is too much scientific evidence against the Romance of the Stone Age. When you find lights that don't turn off under the sea in Cuba, and in a "cave" in New Zealand; or when you find that the Flower of Life was laser etched in stone at the Osirion; or you find lead piping that isn't supposed to be in a lake in China that dates older than Roman lead piping; things start to get suspicious and you start to think that the Mainstream story of the Romance of the Stone Age is not the right story.

You said something about providing links. Do you have links for those?
(lights in Cuba, laser-etched flower, lead-piping in China, ...)

Hi again. Did you miss this question?

I will also give links to various videos on the web that will support my answers.

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Mount Rushmore, Hoover Dam, Great Wall of China:


Link to video.

The video isn't available in the US.

 

[Old Hippy]

2. The Pyramids were built according to a level of engineering and Mathematics that we are just beginning to understand. Engineering and mathematics the Egyptians weren't supposed to have in Early Dynastic Egypt.

that raises two interesting questions
(similar but different)

1. why did the atlantians build bad Pyramids? There are a whole series of pyramids that collapsed, did not last, (they actually show the evolution of building practices) several built by Imhotep himself?...

2 why did the Atlantians not use their knowledge of the golden rule (a very simple procedure), pi, engineering (which is actually used on the collapsed Pyramids) to not make failed Pyramids

 

[EltonJ]

Have you seen any of this privately held evidence yourself? What can be found in these private collections?

Good point. I should make a note of it to go see them. I'm pretty sure that they are in private collections.

How can planets and objects in space be aligned north to south? Which of Saturn's LaGrange points was Earth in and when was it there? What is that image supposed to show and how would Earth being in a LaGrange point create that image? What does this have to do with Atlantis?

The planets were held in a straight line by tidal action. And what does this have to do with Atlantis? They saw it.

When did any of this happen?

I don't know. The records are lost as to when it exactly happened. Mars was the actor that destabilized the configuration. And as I said, they saw it.

I'm still confused about what you think this electrical explanation is and how it's different from the common view of the universe. I'm not familiar with David Talbot or why he's relevant.

He constructed the ancient sky. It's not just him. A lot of others reconstructed the ancient sky. It was more active then, than it is today.

 

[EltonJ]

that raises two interesting questions
(similar but different)

1. why did the atlantians build bad Pyramids? There are a whole series of pyramids that collapsed, did not last, (they actually show the evolution of building practices) several built by Imhotep himself?...

2 why did the Atlantians not use their knowledge of the golden rule (a very simple procedure), pi, engineering (which is actually used on the collapsed Pyramids) to not make failed Pyramids

What if that evolution was wrong? What if they tried to copy the pyramids? After all, there is one missing pyramid in the group. One that apparently exploded. As for Imhotep, well, that's a personality for another discussion.

 

[Old Hippy]

What if that evolution was wrong? What if they tried to copy the pyramids? After all, there is one missing pyramid in the group. One that apparently exploded. As for Imhotep, well, that's a personality for another discussion.

I would need some contradictory evidence, or even a reasoned view, otherwise, it could just be by the giant spaghetti monster and not atlantians at all, that forfills the what if criteria after all...

 

[Goodfella]

Good point. I should make a note of it to go see them. I'm pretty sure that they are in private collections.

So what makes you think anything in these collections will back you up on your Atlantis theory?

The planets were held in a straight line by tidal action. And what does this have to do with Atlantis? They saw it.

Still confused about when/how Earth was stuck in one of Saturn's LaGrange points, which LaGrange point it was, and how it being in a LaGrange point forms that image. Still confused about what the electric universe is, how it's different from the normal universe, and how it conflicts with relativity. Also, when were the planets held perpetually in a straight line? How long was this for? What does this have to do with Saturn's LaGrange points? And just saying that the Atlantis people saw it doesn't make it clear why it's integral to the Atlantis theory at all. I'm sure they saw a lot of things. Why is it so important that they saw this?

I don't know. The records are lost as to when it exactly happened. Mars was the actor that destabilized the configuration. And as I said, they saw it.

Is there any evidence for any of this? And also:

How do you know we didn't paint the wheel while looking at something else? Or that we didn't just see a rock rolling down a hill and thought "hey, that might be useful." What does this have to do with Atlantis?

He constructed the ancient sky. It's not just him. A lot of others reconstructed the ancient sky. It was more active then, than it is today.

What?

Unless there's something else to your cryptic responses, it seems that you don't really know when any of this happened or really what any of it is. I'm not going to believe anything you say anyway, but most theorists like this at least come up with some amusing science to back themselves up.

 

[Harv]

Do you have an open heart and mind? Both are needed. I can provide you with a lot of evidence. From clothing styles in the Neolithic Age, to the invention of the Wheel, to the World Wide Language, to ancient maps, to pole shifts.

Would you care to dedicate a post to ancient maps? It is too late at night for me and I am otherwise too lazy to look up "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings." That is a pretty old book. Is there newer information?

Sure. I love crazy stuff, but I want science-y proofy-ness of crazy stuff. If someone wants to tell me about Atlantis they best be all scienced up first.

This is like an interview on late night talk radio without having to stay up so late.

 

[Berzerker]

the age of leo saw the vast rise in sea levels following the Younger Dryas reversal, somebody might have left us the sphinx to remember the flooding of the world

ancient aliens is the best series on tv, nowhere else do we get to see the monuments and temples and ruins our ancestors left behind.

gripe all you want about the premise, nothing else compares with the information they provide

and the evidence of ancient aliens (or god) is found in the celestial knowledge in our religions and mythologies

Democritus said there are more planets than can be seen with the naked eye... He said that after traveling to Egypt and Mesopotamia.

 

[illram]

Well how about this: Provided that this thread can maintain some semblance of order appropriate for a game forum, the people who want to hear what the OP has to say can stay, and the people whose non-forum requirements aren't being met don't have to participate if they don't feel that they can get what they want out of it? Give the OP some rope, so to speak?

Hey man I dig Coast to Coast. I love this stuff. I want to believe!

They have left a lot of evidence. Those are the ones that can only be verified because many of them are in private collections. You'll never see something such as this in a public collection. It's just too embarrassing for museums to show it on display.

More questions!

(1) What is the evidence they left (do you have some sort of general description of the items in these private collections); and

(2) Why would a museum not want to showcase a potentially groundbreaking artifact proving the existence of an ancient advanced civilization that no one knew about? Surely some brave curator would be willing to put his career on the line to potentially break what would be one of the biggest new discoveries in human history? Museums have gotten over previous embarrassments to embrace proven new finds; the extinction of the dinosaurs, the Big Bang, etc.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Would you care to dedicate a post to ancient maps? It is too late at night for me and I am otherwise too lazy to look up "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings." That is a pretty old book. Is there newer information?

Piri Reis map is a good example of how this people work.

Spoiler :

It is a Turkish map of America made in the early sixteenth century from several Castillian and Portuguese maps. However it has a weird shape with the Southamerican coast extending eastwards instead of southwards. There are a number of perfectly reasonable hypothesis to explain such strange shape of the American coast. In fact it fits pretty well with actual eastern southamerican coast, since distances were not very well estimated back then. However Atlanteologists see the Antarctica continent without ice there, so obviously the map must be based on some alien cartography from millions years ago.

 

[Borachio]

First of all, I'd like to say that I too take offence of your suggestion that science is somehow religious. It is not. Specifically because science evolves, sometimes fundamentally, with new facts and better understanding. True, it may take several decades for an idea to become accepted (plate tectonics, evolution, dinosaurs, etc.), but it does change. That makes all the difference compared to religions.

Wait. You mean that religions don't evolve, sometimes fundamentally, with new facts and better understanding?

I rather think they do.

 

[dutchfire]

Still confused about when/how Earth was stuck in one of Saturn's LaGrange points, which LaGrange point it was, and how it being in a LaGrange point forms that image.

Lagrange is not an airport in NYC, so there's no reason to capitalize the G.

 

[Old Hippy]

Wait. You mean that religions don't evolve, sometimes fundamentally, with new facts and better understanding?

I rather think they do.

they can probably do it without new facts or better understanding too...

 

[trader/warrior]

Why was a presumably large portion of the human population at the time of atlantis seemingly excluded and completely disconnected from atlantean society? There is a lot of evidence all over the world of people living using only primitive technology like flint tools etc from this time. Even places like Göbekli Tepe which is shockingly advanced for 10000bc doesn't seem to have even aquired technology equivalent to pottery from the atlanteans...

 

[Borachio]

Mount Rushmore, Hoover Dam, Great Wall of China:

You mean after 10,000 years the Hoover Dam and Great Wall of China will still be plainly in view, but after 200,000 years there'll not be much of them left at all?

But that Mount Rushmore will still be clearly visible?

And this is good news, how?

How long do we have to wait till Mount Rushmore is eroded out of recognition?

 

[timtofly]

Piri Reis map is a good example of how this people work.

Spoiler :

It is a Turkish map of America made in the early sixteenth century from several Castillian and Portuguese maps. However it has a weird shape with the Southamerican coast extending eastwards instead of southwards. There are a number of perfectly reasonable hypothesis to explain such strange shape of the American coast. In fact it fits pretty well with actual eastern southamerican coast, since distances were not very well estimated back then. However Atlanteologists see the Antarctica continent without ice there, so obviously the map must be based on some alien cartography from millions years ago.

I don't think that they contend aliens from that far back. They question why the science allows for such long times spans. Why can't modern humans picture the polar caps free from ice? We agree that Antarctica broke away at some time, but no one is that great at placing ice at the proper points in the time line. There are indications that humans have lived through major plate tectonic changes, but these accounts are just relegated to human mythology and that they just "made things up". How could they be that far thinking that they would make things up for people thousands of years in the future to say they did? I suppose it could be said in 10,000 years if future humans had no clue how to tell the difference between what we write as fiction and non-fiction, that may cause some strange reactions. Are we saying that 10,000 years ago they wrote down fiction and non-fiction and we are able to tell the difference?

Wait. You mean that religions don't evolve, sometimes fundamentally, with new facts and better understanding?

I rather think they do.

Now this sounds like someone claiming religion is just another science.

 

[Tahuti]

Wouldn't a highly advanced civilization that ended 10,500 years ago leave more "stuff?" If our civilization immediately ended tomorrow, wouldn't some of it still be lingering around 10,000 years from now, which would indisputably prove our existence?

Maybe they made virtually all their stuff of fully organic materials, if they actually existed.