Atheism: Distrust and fears of disownment and disrespect, Why?

[CaptainF]

No, Militant Atheist = Atheists that are Intolerant and Disrespectful to the religious.

There's only one type of atheism. If someone is very ostentatiously atheist (frequently proclaiming that god doesn't exist, etc.) it probably has more to do with their personality than anything else.

 

[Merkinball]

I think the root of the problem lies in aggressive, or percieved aggressiveness of athiests. Religious folk, whatever their religion is, are not too keen on people aggressively attacking their faith. Now, it's one thing to have open-ended debate, but the perception to many thiests about athiests, is that they just want to tear down religion, and more importantly, their own personal beliefs. The perception that most religious folk have, is that athiests simply have absolutely no respect for the value that religion has to other people. Now, this is a two way street of course, as there are obviously intolerant religious people. But unfortunately for athiests, they are in the unfortunate position of being percieved as a threat uniformly across all religions.

 

[skadistic]

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[Swedishguy]

No, Militant Atheist = Atheists that are Intolerant and Disrespectful to the religious.

Oh, I'm not intolerant and disrespectful against all religious - but if something pisses me off, it is religious people demanding stuff from hardworking people such as myself. You cannot deny that churches in America doesn't have to pay taxes.

And the fact that what is considered what is a religion and what is not is what the Swedish law says, that ticks me off.

 

[kulade]

No, Militant Atheist = Atheists that are Intolerant and Disrespectful to the religious.

Goddamn it, I logged on to CivFanatics today in a good mood. You're starting to piss me off; you're telling me that you know more about my beliefs than do I. Seriously, CG, all you're doing is proving my point. Maybe atheists have distrust and fears of disrespect because the vast majority of people think they are some growing conspiracy to persecute Christians? Hmm? If that's the case you founded a thread to answer a question only to realize... you are the answer! I didn't come here complaining about crusades and jihads and prayer in schools, you started complaining about poor persecuted you and those militant antitheists!

So...

Atheism: Distrust and fears of disownment and disrespect, Why?

Because of people like CivGeneral!

 

[Merkinball]

I don't think CG was indicting you Kulade...

 

[Andrei_V]

No, Militant Atheist = Atheists that are Intolerant and Disrespectful to the religious.

All right, all right, I think I get it.

To be a good atheist = not to tell anyone you're an atheist, and stay in closet, even though it means you're basically a hypocrite. Otherwise somebody will inevitably think you're 'Intolerant and Disrespectful' with capital letters.

 

[GenMarshall]

I think the root of the problem lies in aggressive, or percieved aggressiveness of athiests. Religious folk, whatever their religion is, are not too keen on people aggressively attacking their faith.

Merkinball, I think you hit the nail on the head with that. I myself and perhaps other religious people are not to keen on people constantly agressively attacking their faith.

Now, it's one thing to have open-ended debate, but the perception to many thiests about athiests, is that they just want to tear down religion, and more importantly, their own personal beliefs.

Agreed and thats how I precive most atheists and based them from the actions of this froum. (There are exceptions though since there are atheists who have shown me that they dont agressively attack other people's faiths.)

The perception that most religious folk have, is that athiests simply have absolutely no respect for the value that religion has to other people.

Yep, hit the nail on the head once again. Again, I do have exception for atheists who do show respect for the value of religion. But for the most part around here, I just see disrespect and intolerance which only hurts the non-agressive atheists.

Now, this is a two way street of course, as there are obviously intolerant religious people. But unfortunately for athiests, they are in the unfortunate position of being percieved as a threat uniformly across all religions.

As stated in my previous response to the quote. Agressive atheists attacking other religious people only hurts the non-agressive atheists and being lumped into the generalization that all atheists are intolerant, ignorant, and agressive. The only hope that I see is that the non-agressive athiests stand up against the agressive atheists and state that what they are doing is not helping them, but making the situation even more worse.

Somehow the connection with precived threat, the character (one's individuality), and atheism is starting to come clearer.

I think that when an agressive atheist attacks a religious person's faith, the religious person precives it as an attack to his faith and character and therefore would conclude that the atheist that he is dealing with is disrespectful and intolerant and would leave an impression on the religious that atheists are a threat to religion and his character.

 

[GenMarshall]

Goddamn it, I logged on to CivFanatics today in a good mood. You're starting to piss me off; you're telling me that you know more about my beliefs than do I. Seriously, CG, all you're doing is proving my point. Maybe atheists have distrust and fears of disrespect because the vast majority of people think they are some growing conspiracy to persecute Christians? Hmm? If that's the case you founded a thread to answer a question only to realize... you are the answer! I didn't come here complaining about crusades and jihads and prayer in schools, you started complaining about poor persecuted you and those militant antitheists!

So...

Atheism: Distrust and fears of disownment and disrespect, Why?

Because of people like CivGeneral!

Whoh Whoh Whoh!!!

I was not indicating you. No need to get after my neck. It's not about me.

I don't think CG was indicting you Kulade...

Exactly

 

[GenMarshall]

It's best that I should have this thread closed, it has done nothing but tick off a bunch of Atheists.

The bottom line is that I dont hate atheists and I am sorry for pissing ya'll off that I brought this topic up.

 

[Mandeville]

Being atheist I don't find that there is much disrespect or disownment towards me. Actually, I've never found any of this to be evident where I live. Perhaps the situation would be different in the United States where religious belief is part of being a patriotic citizen.

 

[Perfection]

Criticizing someone's faith (even in a rather humorous, flippant or vitriolic manner) on a message board is not a serious attack, CivG, and you shouldn't treat as such. Curt wouldn't really hurt you; he's a big ol' softy.

 

[ainwood]

It's best that I should have this thread closed, it has done nothing but tick off a bunch of Atheists.

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