Atlantic Treaty Organization-TWTUD Subthread

Germany would like to state as a supplement, that the danger we referred to is now real. It is time to pull through, not sit back, and you know the Soviet-Muslim alliance will obliterate Europe and the world unless we band together.

Thus we issue this statement: Any ATO nation which declares neutrality in this conflict has violated the terms of the treaty. We hereby invoke the Defensive Clause for a Declaration of War upon the Soviet Union and the Muslim Brotherhood.
 
OOC: You are useing an ooc comment to fule an ic decision. Im not asking you to change your vote im just pointing it out to you.
 
America votes No for the inclusion of WAU into ATO for a number of reasons. First, they have extremely close ties with the American Accord, with whom America is at war. Second, we do not wish to become tied to the inevitable inter-Liberian faction war in West Africa. Third, the inclusion of the WAU in ATO would strain what little relations we have with Liberia, since we would be including one of their break away provinces but not them. Finally, they bring absolutely nothing to this alliance; their military and military spending is minute, they have no technology to share, nor do they give us a staging point for any sort of campaign against our growing number of enemies. They would simply serve as a drain on ATO, taking technology, demanding protection, and giving nothing back.

OOC: Happy?
 
OOC: There you go.
 
OOC: In the past 5 years or so, the West African Union has become a hotspot for South American industry. Argentina in particular has been building numerous factories in your territory. WAU is also the number one source of trade for the AA and vice versa, which would make my blockade a bit awkward were you to join ATO.
 
TheLastJacobite said:
OOC: In the past 5 years or so, the West African Union has become a hotspot for South American industry. Argentina in particular has been building numerous factories in your territory. WAU is also the number one source of trade for the AA and vice versa, which would make my blockade a bit awkward were you to join ATO.
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You also have no legal right to blockade me.
 
Germany changes her vote to no on WAU admittance.
 
To: All members of ATO
From: Scotland
Subj: ATO Military

Proposal for a formation of official ATO military: ATO Defense Force (ADF). The purpose of ADF is to protect the members of ATO in times of hostile agression, war, and/or uprisings; and to deter future wars and provocations. How they will be formed is that each member of the ATO will give up a small part of their military to consist ADF. So, in case of emergency, they can be promptly deployed anywhere in Europe without having to wait for all the members of ATO to help. It will be an independent force, that only answers to the ATO council, but they can be deployed anywhere, anytime of crisis, without approval of any specific nations. They will not be deployed for any other reasons than the security of ATO nations or against any ATO nation, and in case of fighting between ATO, ADF will not get involved until either side is officially out of ATO. This formation will increase the ATO readiness for war and security, and ensure participations for defense from all members of ATO.
 
spain votes to ssspened this proposal for now. it would serve no point but to needlessly complicate the war. It is a good Idea though, and would be an Excelent suggestion once the fighting is done.
 
We feel that, in order to best fight this war, ATO needs to have an organized chain of command, so that there is no question of whose authority is supreme in making decisions on all fronts. This is our Proposed Chain of Command:

Supreme Commander-One general in charge of all ATO forces everywhere in the world. All ATO forces would answer to him. He would be appointed by an ATO vote.
Theater Commander-The general in charge of the theaters in the war (i.e. German Theater, Indian Theater, etc). He is in charge of his assigned theater and takes orders from the Supreme Commander. Example: The US Commander in South America is George Marshall.
Regional Commander-The General in charge of the regions within a theater (i.e. the Oder River of the German Theater). He receives orders from the Theater commander and is tasked with operating within his designated region. Example: The US General in charge of the Ecuadorian campaign is George S. Patton.
National Commander-The general in charge of all of his countries forces within the region of combat. He takes orders from regional commander and higher ups.
Divisional Commander-The generals in charge of the individual divisions on the front.

Our nations have many excellent generals who would each be suited for any of these posts.Choices should not be based purely on supporting your own national general, but for whomever is best for the job. Theater commanders and downwards will be determined by a vote by all ATO nations fighting in the theater. Of course, national and Divisional commanders will be appointed at a nation's discretion.
 
The NPCs would approve of this organization
 
Scotland agrees that the necessity for well-defined chain of command of allied forces is crucial. However, it is unnecessary to have Supreme Command over all ATO allied forces. It is dangerous to put a military personnel over entire military. Military is a service to people, therefore a cilivian authority should take command. Scotland proposes that the theater commanders respond to the ATO Chairman rather than Supreme Commander.

I propose the following:

ATO Chairman: Elected by all nations of ATO to represent the ATO political, economic, and military operations.

Land:

Supreme Commander: In charge of operations in certain theater (i.e. European, South American, African, Mediterranean, etc). Answers to ATO Chairman.

Regional Commander: In charge of operations in specific region (i.e. German Front, Scandinavian Front, etc). Answers to Supreme Commander.

Sectional Commander: In charge of specific area/section of the front (i.e. Norther Germany, Southern Germany, Easter Scandinavia, etc) Answers to Regional Commander.

Regular nation specific commanders are below respective sectional commanders.

Navy:

Task Force Commander: In charge of all naval fleets in specific theater of war (i.e. North Atlantic Task Force, Caribbean Task Force, etc.)

Fleet Admiral: In charge of specific fleet (i.e. North Sea Fleet, Caribbean Fleet, Mediterranean Fleet, etc). Answers to Task Force Commander.

And below are nation specific admirals of flotillas, etc.


Air Force:

Air Force operations are respective to individual nations. Except for Air Marshal.

Air Marshal: In charge of all bombing raids and defense operations. Gives orders to nation specific Wing Commanders.
 
The ATO chairman would be a wonderful choice for Supreme Commander, if he existed in any capacity. Since that is not the case, we feel that a military commander would be better suited for the position. Placing a civilian commander in charge of military operations is generally not a good idea. A prime example would be the USA during the American Civil War. The Union preformed poorly when President Lincoln attempted to make military policy. It was when he took a more hands-off approach and allowed his generals more control that the country achieved victory. ((Also, look at Nazi Germany in OTL; they were best when the generals were in charge; once Hitler started giving order, everything went to hell.))
 
My point is to ensure the military loyalty to the nations of ATO, represented by the Chairman. He does not give specific orders to the Supreme Commander. His example orders would be like "Let's beat up on USSR." More of making a decision (i.e. declaring war [and thats pretty much all he does, militarily]), not giving strategic orders.

And in turn, Supreme Commanders will do their job at what they do best and make logical plans on achieving that specific goal. And I don't think Supreme Commander would be at the top, because they need fellow Supreme Commanders to keep them in check. It is dangerous to put all military of allied nations under one person.
 
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