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Attacko's Inverted "V"

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by troytheface, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. troytheface

    troytheface Deity

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    This gambit is based on the battle of Cannea and encirclement

    Fact- Napoleon and Hitler lost to Russia- why? they attacked by land- they should have attacked by sea.

    Fact- AI or human players tend to preform better in a counter attack.

    The tactical positioning is accomplished via city build. In this formation the "snakes head" (capitol) is in the rear as oppossed to the Eschelon city build.


    ..........................................X (cap).....................

    .......................(coast)X...................X(coast)............

    ...............(coast)X................................(coast)X

    In such a build on the coast one should be able to launch ship strikes from the ends on any would be opponents- while the capitol is pumping out units to either end.

    Attacko's inverted V- for the superior
     
  2. Lone Wolf

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    Wouldn't the X formation be superior, though?

    ...............(coast)X................................(coast)X

    .......................(coast)X...................X(coast)............

    ..........................................X (cap).....................

    .......................(coast)X...................X(coast)............

    ...............(coast)X................................(coast)X

    That way the capital can churn out units to four ends. That formation incorporates the best of Eschelon build and Attacko's formation.
     
  3. troytheface

    troytheface Deity

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    an hour glass build

    i suggest that the metaphor of "time" is unconsciosly alluded to- meaning that such a build would be feasible on larger maps or games- wherea in a small pangea online game or standard fractal single player the city amount tends to be less.

    an elegant design however- i will try it

    in one recent game i built on the islands around an enemy capitol- the oppenent was confused and mentioned "noob" about 17 hundred times - before he quit 12 turns later, mourning the loss of wrkers, cottages, and mines.
     
  4. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    Very vulnerable to amphibious elephants from the enemy.
     
  5. Kikka

    Kikka Chieftain

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    Although its beautyfull never build with glass if prep for war as its brittle:cool:
     
  6. jameson

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    In actual fact, Hannibal at Cannae positioned his center out to the front (screened by a skirmisher line), and then allowed it to fall back in the face of the Roman attack and reinforce the flanks, while his own flanks rolled up the Roman flanks and then turned around to encircle the Romans, So in fact he started with the 'snake's head' at the front, and inverted the V later. It seems somewhat impractical to me to mimic this feat via city placement.

    (for a clearer explanation, check here)
     
  7. troytheface

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    "So in fact he started with the 'snake's head' at the front, and inverted the V later. It seems somewhat impractical to me to mimic this feat via city placement"

    however, it is "...based on the battle of Cannea and encirclement"
    Since one can't move a city it is the final position that is referenced-

    the "Snakes Head" was not in Hannibal's front line- the reverse- he placed spanish and other barbarian mercs - his weakest troops- at the front- with his veterans on the flanks-
    (cap pumping units to the tips of the inverted "v")

    Fact- Two principles in war- ambush or disruption (hannibal or alexander)

    Fact- Ambush is based on deception (loaded ships in this case)

    Fact-.......x.....
    ..................x........
    ......................x..(cap)......snake's head in strike mode- eschelon (disruption)


    Fact- ............x...(cap).....
    .............x..............x..............snake's head coiled to strike- inverted "v" (ambush)
     
  8. Bibor

    Bibor Doomsday Machine

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    It's spelt echelon, at least in English. As much as all those "exciting" Hollywood movies try to abuse the word, its meaning is still a simple "ladder".

    As much as the idea sounds exciting, battlefield tactics are non-repeatable works of human genius. The battle of Cannae was won the way it was won by Hannibal because:
    a) Hannibal was a very good tactician
    b) neither side had reinforcements coming (unlike the battle of Waterloo, for example)
    c) Roman army had two generals that were rotating on a daily basis (and we all know what happens when one body has two heads).
    d) Military intelligence and advanced military tactics (making a mess in the roman camp during the night before the battle thus making infantry tired) were obviously science-fiction for the Roman generals left in Italy to guard Rome.

    Or to cut the long story short, the Echelon tactic is applicable... when it's applicable. Which may be always or never, depending on lots and lots of other factors.
     
  9. troytheface

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    "battlefield tactics are non-repeatable works of human genius"

    Fact- Epaminondas not only broke away from the traditional tactical methods of his time, but marked a revolution in military tactics, affording the first known instance of an oblique infantry deployment and one of the first deliberate concentrations of attack upon the vital point of the enemy's line

    Fact- Using a modified version of the tactics he had successfully pioneered at Leuctra, he organised the Boeotian troops on the left wing of his army into an unusually deep column of hoplites. This formation of troops, in conjunction with the echelon, sought to establish local superiority of numbers while delaying the battle on the weaker center and right side. (Mantinea)

    Fact- Mcauthor- "The American Ceasar"

    Fact- 2008- Attacko and the noobs vs the Veterans=- a repeat of the tactic used during Attacko vs the Three Romes- ie a tactic stolen from Hoofmeyerhorsehead78.

    the evidence is clear- Picasso- good artists copy- great artists steal.

    Fact- Congratulations to themeinteam for highest score on game thing on front page

    Fact- themeinteam read "attacko's strategy guide"

    Specialization is for insects.
    -- Robert A. Heinlein
    - i like that quote. and star ship troopers as well.
    think Socrates said something similiar- specialization leads to slavery or something of that ilk.
     
  10. michmbk

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    Life has intervened and I haven't played civ in several months, nor have I been on the forums in that time. But it's good to know that some things never change - an Attacko post on the first page!
     
  11. troytheface

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    yes, he is working on a new guide about playing against zombies.

    fact- Voodoo religion= zombies

    fact-serpent and the rainbow

    fact- 50,000 zombies may be about after a haitian voodoo priest opened the gates of hell by killing a chicken

    fact- zombie players don't capture wrkers. they eat them

    i think he assumes that out of that 50,000 some have a civ4 disc.
     
  12. Bibor

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    ... and who or what is Attacko?

    EDIT Nevermind, I found out that Attacko is Troy's step-brother that plays with lego all day.
     
  13. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    That would be a good idea if you could move cities :p ( it is hard to encircle anything if you can't move :D ) But it is probably a good idea to use ithe Genghis scenario in warlords :D
     
  14. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    Beyond a fleet of u boats I dont really think Germany or Nappy really had a big navy!

    Only a fool would launch a naval invasion until they had control of the sea and air.

    One of the reasons the Uk conquered a large part of the knowned world including America was it had a huge navy that could go as it pleased and where it pleased.
     

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