duke o' york
It don't mean a thing....
Does this somehow make the win less worthy then?
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Aussies Gonna Get Spanked
- Thread starter Mongol Horde
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andycapp
Grumpy Old Griper
It's not a matter of being less worthy, but looking objectively at *why* England won. Whether a team wins or loses what occurred can be analysed to highlight deficiencies and strengths and one off factors that influenced the result.
I don't have the time (at the moment) to do an in-depth analysis of the last test but my point is will the reasons England won this Test also make it likely to win the next - my conclusion is no.
I don't take anything away from Butcher and Co. for their great batting.
I don't have the time (at the moment) to do an in-depth analysis of the last test but my point is will the reasons England won this Test also make it likely to win the next - my conclusion is no.
I don't take anything away from Butcher and Co. for their great batting.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
We won 4-1, it seems, with McGrath taking 5/
in Englands second innings. Congrats to the team, and put your messages here. Mongol Horde, I expect your sig to come up changed soon.
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Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
- N.S.Khrushchev
in Englands second innings. Congrats to the team, and put your messages here. Mongol Horde, I expect your sig to come up changed soon.
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Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
- N.S.Khrushchev
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Well, it seems no one else cares to expand, so I will give a final analysis. We whipped the Poms comprehensivley, as I had continually said.
The 4th Test loss can be put down to rain taking away a great deal of the match, as well as a halfway decent innings from Herr Butcher. The pitch flattened out, and the weather warmed up, making conditions ideal for a team chasing runs. But this does not mean "give England no credit", because they did win. It proves that one should never give a sucker an even break. even 40 minutes more batting on the last day going for runs could have changed things, but it was not to be.
This situation changed in the final test. Classic script: Bat for two days or more, make 650, and bowl em out twice. Langer played superbly, and Hayden played his best knock. Ponting was in full control, until getting out, and the Waughs proved why they are the worlds best. Martyn put the ice on the cake.
Ramprakash played quite outstandingly, and one is quite happy for his success, but Warne was simply great.
And the second was like it, with the Poms crumbling under pressure. Typical of a most overrated team who I hope has come back to earth with a resounding thud.
This was a disappointing series for Slater, who has to get his life in order and his head right before he can take his rightful place as among the worlds best.
Likewise, Hayden didn't come good until the end, but it was not a good series for openers full stop.
Ponting came good, as predicted, but was quiet early.
Lee showed the signs of not having fully recovered from his injury. When on song, he is truly amazing; as it is, we had to be content seeing him get up to 95mph only a few times. When the Poms come to here soon, they'll see a different bowler.
Warne and McGrath showed how good they are, and Shane really stuck it up the gutter press who had written him off.
Overall, Australia had a good series, but never fully put it together in the manner that has been seen. All that was needed was a bit here and there.
England proved disappointing, discouraging and generally not in line with their much vaunted status. Atherton had his career ended by McGrath, AS I PREDICTED. Stewart does look a shadow of his former self, reduced to slogging and dissent, and banished to #7.
Hussain was injury prone, and played but one good innings, and two reasonable knocks. His much vaunted captaincy didn't seem apparent to me, as this England team was the same bunch who've got crunched before. Confidence wise, they have glass jaws.
Ward and Afzaal looked well out of their depth, Thorpe was injured, and not a factor. Even when he did play, he was not as godlike as some have suggested.
Vaughan also did not make an appearance, so I withold judgement on him.
Ramprakash got better, and Butcher played one great knock. So they keep their places.
Craig White turned out to be the complete useless pretender that I had said, and England still have no spinner at all.
Gough and Caddick were expensive, and never really in the league of McGrath and Gillespie. Cork did as I thought, and quickly disappeared.
Trescothick played three decent innings of 50+, but gave chances, and was never really a threat.
So we have a England team who are sloppy in the field, easily demoralized, dodgy with the bat, and not really threatening with the ball. So much for a contest.
Where to now? They should resist the temptation to cull everyone, but bring back Thorpe and Vaughan. Look for a replacement for Stewart who can bat as well as keep, and find a spinner. They say Vaughan was the next opener in line, so something like
Vaughan, Trescothick, Butcher, Hussain, Thorpe, Ramprakash, Wicketkeeper, Bowler, Bowler, Caddick, Gough.
Tufnell can't really get anyone out these days, so he should go off and have a smoke.
And I remain a firm proponent of Hick in the one day side, but the selectors must be smoking with Tufnell and Herschelle Gibbs, as they continue to ignore him, prefering the likes of Paul Collingwood etc. I don't understand these things.
Australia win the Ashes 4-1, and remain the utmost best in the world.
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Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
- N.S.Khrushchev
The 4th Test loss can be put down to rain taking away a great deal of the match, as well as a halfway decent innings from Herr Butcher. The pitch flattened out, and the weather warmed up, making conditions ideal for a team chasing runs. But this does not mean "give England no credit", because they did win. It proves that one should never give a sucker an even break. even 40 minutes more batting on the last day going for runs could have changed things, but it was not to be.
This situation changed in the final test. Classic script: Bat for two days or more, make 650, and bowl em out twice. Langer played superbly, and Hayden played his best knock. Ponting was in full control, until getting out, and the Waughs proved why they are the worlds best. Martyn put the ice on the cake.
Ramprakash played quite outstandingly, and one is quite happy for his success, but Warne was simply great.
And the second was like it, with the Poms crumbling under pressure. Typical of a most overrated team who I hope has come back to earth with a resounding thud.
This was a disappointing series for Slater, who has to get his life in order and his head right before he can take his rightful place as among the worlds best.
Likewise, Hayden didn't come good until the end, but it was not a good series for openers full stop.
Ponting came good, as predicted, but was quiet early.
Lee showed the signs of not having fully recovered from his injury. When on song, he is truly amazing; as it is, we had to be content seeing him get up to 95mph only a few times. When the Poms come to here soon, they'll see a different bowler.
Warne and McGrath showed how good they are, and Shane really stuck it up the gutter press who had written him off.
Overall, Australia had a good series, but never fully put it together in the manner that has been seen. All that was needed was a bit here and there.
England proved disappointing, discouraging and generally not in line with their much vaunted status. Atherton had his career ended by McGrath, AS I PREDICTED. Stewart does look a shadow of his former self, reduced to slogging and dissent, and banished to #7.
Hussain was injury prone, and played but one good innings, and two reasonable knocks. His much vaunted captaincy didn't seem apparent to me, as this England team was the same bunch who've got crunched before. Confidence wise, they have glass jaws.
Ward and Afzaal looked well out of their depth, Thorpe was injured, and not a factor. Even when he did play, he was not as godlike as some have suggested.
Vaughan also did not make an appearance, so I withold judgement on him.
Ramprakash got better, and Butcher played one great knock. So they keep their places.
Craig White turned out to be the complete useless pretender that I had said, and England still have no spinner at all.
Gough and Caddick were expensive, and never really in the league of McGrath and Gillespie. Cork did as I thought, and quickly disappeared.
Trescothick played three decent innings of 50+, but gave chances, and was never really a threat.
So we have a England team who are sloppy in the field, easily demoralized, dodgy with the bat, and not really threatening with the ball. So much for a contest.
Where to now? They should resist the temptation to cull everyone, but bring back Thorpe and Vaughan. Look for a replacement for Stewart who can bat as well as keep, and find a spinner. They say Vaughan was the next opener in line, so something like
Vaughan, Trescothick, Butcher, Hussain, Thorpe, Ramprakash, Wicketkeeper, Bowler, Bowler, Caddick, Gough.
Tufnell can't really get anyone out these days, so he should go off and have a smoke.
And I remain a firm proponent of Hick in the one day side, but the selectors must be smoking with Tufnell and Herschelle Gibbs, as they continue to ignore him, prefering the likes of Paul Collingwood etc. I don't understand these things.
Australia win the Ashes 4-1, and remain the utmost best in the world.
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Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.
- N.S.Khrushchev
Mongol Horde
Resident Savage Army
So what was the Ashes score in the end. I think I must have missed it somewhere?
Fair cop you dust sucking, kangaroo shagging spawn of convicts. I was wrong (wouldn't get an Aussie admitting that).
That show me for putting faith in English sportsmen...........
Fair cop you dust sucking, kangaroo shagging spawn of convicts. I was wrong (wouldn't get an Aussie admitting that).
That show me for putting faith in English sportsmen...........
andycapp
Grumpy Old Griper
Hey Mongol, you've forgotten something - like making good on our bet! I hope you're not going to wimp out - you can run but you can't hide!
Morgasshk
Warlord
This talk of being able to pull for days and being a great hooker has me thinking suss thoughts!!!
Hehe! As per usual the Aussies will perform greatly whupping up on the Warm beer drinking, Cold pie eating, ugly women mongoring, ****ty cricket playing pommies!!! Yar! Hehe!
Hmmm, I suspect I am going to be in for it with that one but ohwell!!!
The Aussies are always going to havea great cricketing side... but we haven't been as good as the days when We had Merv Hughes and David Boon in top form... those were the day when good traditional cricket was played... not this stupid bribery crap... Mind you the Waughs are the best team every put together... I once watched them clock up a hundred partnership in only 63 balls and only 1 hour! Now THATS cricket!
Later *****es!
Morgasshk!
Hehe! As per usual the Aussies will perform greatly whupping up on the Warm beer drinking, Cold pie eating, ugly women mongoring, ****ty cricket playing pommies!!! Yar! Hehe!
Hmmm, I suspect I am going to be in for it with that one but ohwell!!!
The Aussies are always going to havea great cricketing side... but we haven't been as good as the days when We had Merv Hughes and David Boon in top form... those were the day when good traditional cricket was played... not this stupid bribery crap... Mind you the Waughs are the best team every put together... I once watched them clock up a hundred partnership in only 63 balls and only 1 hour! Now THATS cricket!
Later *****es!
Morgasshk!
Morgasshk
Warlord
What!!!!??!?!?!?!?!?
No B1tches???
Thats fukn lame...
No B1tches???
Thats fukn lame...
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Yeah, Mongol, change that signature as per the bet, you silly Pom
Mongol Horde
Resident Savage Army
Happy now?
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
That will do quite nicely.
My work here is done, he says, as he rides off into the distance on a unicycle, laughing evily all the way
My work here is done, he says, as he rides off into the distance on a unicycle, laughing evily all the way
