skadistic
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If its only the rare nut that the media focuses on then the nuts are far from rare.
Australian Imam regarding Aussie girls' dress: "The uncovered meat is the problem"
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Masquerouge
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Apparently the Imam has been expelled today (link in French):
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3216,36-828096@51-828101,0.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3216,36-828096@51-828101,0.html
Urederra
Mostly harmless
"viande à l'air"... lovely french expression.
Masquerouge
Deity
Urederra said:
It's pretty funny actually because a very familiar and rude way of referring to someone's girlfriend is to use the word "meat", as in, "Robert et sa viande", Robert and his meat.
Maybe that Imam can claim he was just lost in translation?
Urederra
Mostly harmless
When I read this thread yesterday i thought about how inappropriate is the use of the word "meat" in this case. It looks to me like a despersonification of female's body. I would have used flesh instead, unless I wanted to be disrespectful. But maybe I am the one lost in translation.
CurtSibling
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He already claimed that.
But I know the beat he is making, the same beat all these drone are making.
They want to go back to some primitive and beastly era of humanity, where
humans are slave animals and death is dealt for ideological trifles....
I am glad his downfall was completed to swiftly.
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But I know the beat he is making, the same beat all these drone are making.
They want to go back to some primitive and beastly era of humanity, where
humans are slave animals and death is dealt for ideological trifles....
I am glad his downfall was completed to swiftly.
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skadistic said:
It seems though that in Islam they are all too common, or are they all to rare and people focus on them all too often? Hard to really know isn't it? Without a real media middle ground, all your getting is peanuts, there are plenty of other nuts in the bowl.
It is well known that only 10% of the Muslim people are radicalized. Still, that mans that 100,000,000 radicals. Then, there is another 10% (minimum) that also approve and will cover up for the first 10%. So, that is 200,000,000 potential radical Jihadis.
So, of course there are another 900,000,000 that are NOT radical, which of course we all work with and live with and know to be moderate.
We are all hoping that the 90% will control the 10%, but unfortunately that ihasn't so far been the case. Here in the West, we can put them in jail for their bad behavior:
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1328177.php
but we do not always know what is going on.
We hear it after the fact. We hear about the outrageous acts after they have been taught to the next generation.
The above article happened a stone's throw from my home. So, I have seen this going on in our neighborhoods. It is sickening.
The man who took a gun and shot a bunch of people at the Israeli El Al Airline in Los Angeles airport lived very close also.
So, it is happening in our neighborhoods.
So, of course there are another 900,000,000 that are NOT radical, which of course we all work with and live with and know to be moderate.
We are all hoping that the 90% will control the 10%, but unfortunately that ihasn't so far been the case. Here in the West, we can put them in jail for their bad behavior:
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/homepage/abox/article_1328177.php
but we do not always know what is going on.
We hear it after the fact. We hear about the outrageous acts after they have been taught to the next generation.
The above article happened a stone's throw from my home. So, I have seen this going on in our neighborhoods. It is sickening.
The man who took a gun and shot a bunch of people at the Israeli El Al Airline in Los Angeles airport lived very close also.
So, it is happening in our neighborhoods.
Sidhe said:It seems though that in Islam they are all too common, or are they all to rare and people focus on them all too often? Hard to really know isn't it? Without a real media middle ground, all your getting is peanuts, there are plenty of other nuts in the bowl.
I think you are missing the point.
This man is the MUFTI of Australia.
Do you know what a mufti is?
Mufti
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about an Islamic scholar. Mufti can also refer to civilian dress.
A Mufti (Arabic: مفتى‎is an Islamic scholar who is an interpreter or expounder of Islamic law (Sharia), capable of issuing fataawa (plural of "fatwa").
Role of a Mufti in governments
In theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Iran, and in some countries where the constitution is based on sharia law, such as Egypt, the Grand Mufti rules if capital punishment is in accord with Islamic jurisprudence and the sharia and sometimes overrules criminal courts.
The Authority of the Mufti
An example of the influence of the mufti can be taken from this incident in Tunisia: Habib Bourguiba, the late President of Tunisia once argued that "fasting" during Ramadan (Arabic: رمضان ); a Holy month in the Islamic calendar, a lunar calendar and one of the Five Pillars of Islam, should not be observed for it reduces productivity. In a matter of minutes, the Grand Mufti of Tunisia went on television and addressed the audience and read sura Al-Baqara:185 (2:185) :
"The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur’an, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the criterion (between right and wrong). So whoever of you sights (the crescent on the first night of) the month (of Ramadan i.e. is present at his home), he must observe Saum (fasts) that month, and whoever is ill or on a journey, the same number [of days which one did not observe Saum (fasts) must be made up] from other days. Allah intends for you ease, and He does not want to make things difficult for you. (He wants that you) must complete the same number (of days), and that you must magnify Allah [worship and say Allah is the Most Great] for having guided you so that you may be grateful to Him.
Allah (God) said the truth" (Arabic: صدق الله العظيم ), and President Habib Bourguiba lied."
So, as you can see this man is a GOVERNMENT ACCEPTED National Muslim leader. He has great authority and power.
From the original article:
He is THE NATION'S MOST SENIOR MUSLIM CLERIC. Most senior. Not just some BOOB. Australia's #1 guy.
Masquerouge
Deity
Katheryn said:
And he's been expelled.
Mise
isle of lucy
I agree with Perfection that this is the only interesting part of the story. That said, I've always been told that rape is about power and control, so I don't suppose there is a correlation.Perfection said:
(There have, incidentally, been members of the Catholic church [IIRC] who have claimed similar to what this Muslim bloke is saying. Don't ask me to find a link, because I won't.)
Margim
Footy's back.
Katheryn said:Just curious, and FYI, Protestant Christians do not believe that Catholics are actually Chrisitans. It is the 'Mary is a Co-Redeemer' thing. We consider that idolatry.
And what does a Pope have to do with rape of women anyway?A big stretch there.
Tell us Hannibal, how many Christians are rioting in your suburbs?
It's so funny how if anyone mentions some awful behavior done by a Muslim, the immediate reaction of an atheist is to drag some Christian into it, as though they have to defend this barbaric Muslim religion.
Speak for yourself, please. Protestant Christianity (being said as an Australian Baptist here) does not have a monopoly on the revelation of God.
And, as one who has also engaged with Islamic studies, please stop labelling it 'wholesale' as barbaric. Like ALL established, institutionalised religions (of which arms of Christianity are, including protestantism) there are interpretations that are barbaric...
But there are also practitioners who simply try to live out their own faith in the best way that they can, in accordance with the law of the country that they live in.
In other words, stop generalising.
Masquerouge
Deity
Mise said:
The idea that a woman is to blame if she's raped is a fairly common one, even today, in most western societies. Things are improving, of course.
It's one of the two great lies about rape, the other one being that women can actually enjoy, and have an orgasm, when they're raped.
Margim
Footy's back.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...e-investigation/2006/10/25/1161749190019.html
Just in case anyone missed my obscure first reference, here is an example of anglo-Australia (non-Islamic, thus culturally secular/Christian) at its worst.
This is a massive, current controversy, and demonstrates that the kind of opinion offered by this clown were precisely that, and nothing more... an opinion offered by a clown. The same opinions exist in some form across all cultures.
Just in case anyone missed my obscure first reference, here is an example of anglo-Australia (non-Islamic, thus culturally secular/Christian) at its worst.
This is a massive, current controversy, and demonstrates that the kind of opinion offered by this clown were precisely that, and nothing more... an opinion offered by a clown. The same opinions exist in some form across all cultures.
BasketCase
Username sez it all
"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
That sheik is a bloody idiot.
If the man was in HIS room, HIS home, HIS hijab, no problem would have occured.
When a crime occurs, it is the person who committed the crime who is at fault. End of discussion.
That sheik is a bloody idiot.
If the man was in HIS room, HIS home, HIS hijab, no problem would have occured.
When a crime occurs, it is the person who committed the crime who is at fault. End of discussion.
Bad Player
Deity
According to the Sydney Morning Herald (the Mufti preaches in Sydney) he has been suspended from preaching for a few months (not expelled).Masquerouge said:
If anyone understands Arabic here is the recording of the sermon.
Excuse me, but the MUFTI, is the PREMIER voice of Islam in Australia. Do you understand what that means? He is not a nasty kid. He is not just a nasty man (idiot). He is a FIGURE OF AUTHORITY.
HE HAS NOT BEEN EXPELLED. HE HAS NOT BEEN FIRED FROM HIS JOB WHICH IS HOLDING THE NUMBER ONE AUTHORITY OF ISLAM IN ALL OF AUSTRALIA.
Are you guy so BRAINWASHED that you don't understand the difference? This one guy is the TOP GUY. He is not some schmuck walking on the street.
As a Mufti, he can give legal opinions, fatwas, he interprets the Koran for these people and it has authority. Islam doesn't divide between religion and politics or social structures. They are Muslims FIRST. Until this man is toppled, this outrage is still valid.
HE HAS NOT BEEN EXPELLED. HE HAS NOT BEEN FIRED FROM HIS JOB WHICH IS HOLDING THE NUMBER ONE AUTHORITY OF ISLAM IN ALL OF AUSTRALIA.
Are you guy so BRAINWASHED that you don't understand the difference? This one guy is the TOP GUY. He is not some schmuck walking on the street.
As a Mufti, he can give legal opinions, fatwas, he interprets the Koran for these people and it has authority. Islam doesn't divide between religion and politics or social structures. They are Muslims FIRST. Until this man is toppled, this outrage is still valid.
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