AVS3: Nuclear Winter

[Gyathaar]

I am guessing english are getting destroyed by babylon.. they were dieing fast to babylon and france when I started war with babylon, then did ok while I was the main focus of babylon.. after I made peace with babylon they prolly got into trouble again..

 

[steviejay]

DOH yeah, sorry I meant Babylon. I only noticed it offhand exactly how far Babylon were progressing. I got quite worried when I saw alot of Bab units head to our border near our oil town, but then I figured that it was probably just forces heading for Reading, but its still something that should be watched out for.

 

[Gyathaar]

Babylon wiping out england would be perfect actually.. since they are fascist, they cant expand cultural borders in captured cities untill they have the majority of the population.. which will take awhile in size 20 cities.. so would be much easier for us to take out the towns if babylon own them than having to slug though huge english cultural borders

 

[Gyathaar]

I have played a turn, but need to get clarification on rules before I go on..:

1) Rules say we cant wage offensive war untill we we have built our first nuke.. does that mean i can take out french cities before I nuke paris?

2) Can I use nukes on stacks of units and other cities before I nuke that civs capital?

3) if not 1 or 2, can I use RoP rape to get nukes into position to nuke capitals on home continent faster? (having trouble sneaking subs past destroyers and bombers)

 

[steviejay]

from my understanding I thought we had to build up enough nukes (1 for each capital) launch them all then we can start getting offensive and taking cities but I think Andvruss will have the final say on that (did read somewhere of someone mentioning Modern Age AW)

As for the RoP I'm undecided. if we're gonna nuke anyone then we might as well be dirty I was scared of Persian Destroyers during my turns, I saw a few roaming about, thats why I kept my nuke subs in port rather than explore.

 

[andvruss]

I have played a turn, but need to get clarification on rules before I go on..:

1) Rules say we cant wage offensive war untill we we have built our first nuke.. does that mean i can take out french cities before I nuke paris?

2) Can I use nukes on stacks of units and other cities before I nuke that civs capital?

3) if not 1 or 2, can I use RoP rape to get nukes into position to nuke capitals on home continent faster? (having trouble sneaking subs past destroyers and bombers)

no, no and....yes

 

[Gyathaar]

1425AD, inherited turn:
Babylon and china (and us) has space flight..
Babylon has uranium, but no aluminium.. so they cany build nukes..
China however has both.. but they have the same problem we have.. they have as much problem nuking us as we have them untill ICBMs are available (trouble as in moving nuklear subs with nukes over to us will take quite awile)
France has both aluminium and uranium.. but their 2 uranium sources are in atrillery range from our borders... I will get rid of those before they have the tech to build nukes..
Persia has no uranium..
Except from the uranium sources of china and englands 2nd source (and backwards russia and india).. all the uranium in the world are inside or a few tiles away from out borders.

In short.. china is the only civ that will get any chance to build nukes to launch back at us..

Read back though enture succession game.. england and india are the only nations in the world that has not declared on us at one point..
They will declare on us when we let nukes fly thou..

Hmm.. I really want to trigger our golden age.. searching around I find a few fortified artillery and hwach'a.. (9 art and 14 hwach'a) problem is the only units left in range that stevejay didnt kill off is a small stack of french destroyers.. getting rid of the french uranium tiles has highest priority thou

4 artillery takes out frances 2 uranium and turn them into craters..
the remaining 5 artillery puts all 3 destroyers in the stack to 2 hp each
6 shots with Hwach'a.. and one of the hwach'a promotes to elite (We enter golden age in other words). I then kill off the other 2 destroyers aswell.
Golden age allows 20% lux.. and we make 1052gpt

persia has computers but lacks space flight.. they dont have uranium. They will grab space flight from someone else, so I decide to make peace and make trade.
Peace and space flight to persia for computers, 2205gold, 26gpt and their WM
trade maps with england and india aswell

Use the leader to make an army (nothing else to build so, and this will allow us to build HE,MA and pentagon soon)
Fill the army with tanks

pull in and upgrade non elite infantery that can be spared from defense.. upgrade 32 infantery to MI


checking army strengths...
Your army is average to persia, weak to babylon and china.. strong to everyone else..

Adjust lots of builds acording to new shields in golden age.. seoul builds tactical nukes in 2 turns now..

IBT:
england and china sign peace
india declare on china.. cool.. perhaps they will pillage the uranium tile

kill 2 tanks, 1 bomber in defense.. french bombers bomb, and a destroyer bombard and take out some of our rails

persia and russia sign trade embargo vs us
persia and russia ally vs spain

Seoul: nuke -> nuke
p'yongyang: nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
Pusan: nuclear sub->nuclear sub
namp'o: nuclear sub-> nuclear sub
taejon: harbor -> SAM
paegam: nuke -> nuke
kaesong: commersial dock -> catheral
haeju: rax -> cathedral
sunwon: temple -> cathedral

aztecs declare on persia

1530AD, turn 1:

china and france knows ecology now.. we dont need that yet.. so will wait a bit to see if anyone get or miniaturization for 2-fer

load the 2 nukes into subs and send them towards chinese capical and uranium supply.. since they are furthest away.. this way we can get nukes to them before they can get nukes to us.

kill a galleon in a stack with a nuclear sub.

Hmm.. we dont have coal to rebuild our destroyed rails..

30 babylonian units inside our lands atm on way to Reading..

redline a french infantery inside our lands so I can kill it with army..

switch seoul to MA, due in 3 turns..
Hyangsan will finish nuke, then start HE next turn (would loose shields switching)

Amazing watching the babylonian town nippur.. the one I put craters all the way around.. it was size 19.. has lost one pop every turn since, and is down to size 3 now..

I decide I will rediect one of the subs heading for china towards aztecs instead.. and will load a transport with MI and TOW and send along.. then wipe out the aztecs and get their coal and 2 luxes..

since I have no units to kill I start bombarding french roads/rails

IBT:
Japan declare on india
damn.. french bombers bomb and kill 2 nuclear subs i had moved into position so I could launch nukes on paris in a couple turns.. need to check what units can see subs.. guess it was the destroyer a few tiles away..

russia and babylon sign alliance vs china..

japan declare on babylon

babylon attack reading with several troops, but fail to take it

amarica and russia sign an alliance vs china

india and america sign an alliance vs us (guess india wants to get nuked too )

wonsan: tank -> tank
punsan: nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
nampo: nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
cheju: nuke -> nuke
nyangsan: nuke -> HE
ulsan: nuke -> nuke
inch'on: nuke -> nuke
pyongsong: nuke -> nuke
taejon: SAM -> nuclear sub
manp'o: tank -> tank
kaesong: cathedral -> bomber
chonju: cathedral -> bomber
haeju: cathedral -> market
sunwon: cathedral -> nuclear sub

1535ad, turn 2:
load up subs with nukes heading for india,persia,russia,america and japan .. nukes are already heading towards aztecs and china
will build nukes for france,babylon and india next turn (england has not declared on us yet)

persian,aztec,babylonian and french capitals will get struck next turn...

Nippur is size 2 now

use artillery to redline 2 french tanks that entered our lands
elite tanks finish them off, but no leaders

bombard stack of russian boats. sink the galleon with sub

plant spies with aztecs and spain, get caught with japan and america

The grand army of aztecs is : 2 archers, 13 spearmen, 1 galley... that is everything
Spain just has 1 worker, 15 rifles, 1 conquistador and 3 trebuchets.

take out french iron with artillery

rush some builds

IBT: japanese ironclad run into one of the subs loaded with nukes, lucily the sub wins

France move a lot of troops, land a tank behind wall, kill a MI and a TOW.. loose a bomber.. hurt some units

England and babylon sign peace

babylon bomb chinese ships in our waters
babylon move tons of units away from reading (they didnt capture it..)

japan and russia ally vs aztecs

Cheju: nuke -> nuke
Ulsan: nuke -> nuke
pyongsong: nuke -> nuke
Paegam: nuke -> nuke

 

[Gyathaar]

1540AD, turn 3:
We now have a nuke for every civ in the game, inclding england who havent declared on us (yet)

The nuclear sub that was attacked and redlined by japan was the one heading for aztecs, and will be able to release its load this turn..

redline all french and chinese units/ships inside our borders, kill off 5 redlined french tanks

there is a stack of french ships a bit out from land, with a carrier in it.. will use a nuke on that after taking out Paris...

time for some shady deals...:

france pays us 20gold for peace and RoP..
babylon takes straight up RoP
peace with china costs us 220gold

14993gold and WM from china for 917gpt..

move nukes into position to strike paris,babylon and london (I know england has not declared on us, but they have made demands in the past so taking advantage of the ROP to get to them this turn
nukes are already in position to strike persepolis and tenochotitian

move 4 ToW into position to pillage the 2 babylonian oils after nukes are launched

York should be a high priority city to capture.. it has js bachs and smiths..

paris and orleans are good too.. sadly I cant take advantage of the rob to capture them this turn because I need to hold back lots of troops to deal with the huge stack of babylonin troops by Haeju

launch on paris.. babylon declare on us,persia declare on us

launch on babylon... noone declare.. hmm.. I dont understand why china didnt declare on us when we attacked france.. I had kinda hoped they would declare so I could get rid of the per turn payment..

pillage both babylonian oils
because of destroyer that risk to sink the sub, I decide to use the nuke that was heading for china on persia instead
launch on persia.. cool.. china declared,, and we get our 917gpt back

launch on aztec capital:

england is still gracious.. seems like she wont declare on us afterall.. since they are our only friends in the world, I decide to use the nuke aimed for london on the babylonian town of coventry instead.. taking away the babylonian wines supply.

wont be able to sneak out a sub towards spain this turn, so will use the last nuke to take out a french town (more nukes are built next turn)

nuke marseilles

bombard big babylonian stack
kill 3 infantery in stack with tank army
kill 2 infantery with elite tank
kill tow with elite tank, and gain a leader, leader makes army
kill a ton more units in stackk.. loose 4 tanks.. then another elite tank wins and another leader.. make another army
finally kill last unit in main stack, and capture 7 artillery
load 3 tanks into one of the armies, and attack brighton. kill 2 tow there and still fully healed tow ontop (after I bombarded it with several artillery first).. send army back to heal since it redlined
capture 5 babylonian workers that work around nippur

brace myself for the counterattacks... and press enter

IBT:
thanks to us nuking aztec capital, japan makes short work of aztecs, and aztecs is destroyed..
babylon and persia sign alliance vs spain
argh.. parsia bomb and attack several of our nuclear subs.. they sink 3.. 2 ofthem contained nukes on way to china and india..
england and india sign peace
china land a marine
france bommabrd several units, but does no major damage
persia and babylon signs an alliance vs china (good..china is the dangerous civ here..)
babylon kills a tank and a tow..
damn.. russian ironclad runs into one of our subs with nukes loaded, and sinks it (ironclad redlines)

Wonsan: tank -> tank
cheju: tank -> pentagon
ulsan: nuke -> nuke
inch'on: nuke -> nuke
pyongsong: nuke -> nuke
peagam: nuke -> nuke
manp'o: tank -> tank

1545AD, turn 4:
The way the subs are getting harrassed atm I dont see a way to get nukes on way to india, china and america untill we take out france or babylon and have a city on west coast of our continent.
nukes are still heading towards russia and japan
we may not even have to nuke india at all... china has done massive progress into indian territory the last turns.. india capitalis surounced by chinese towns now.
hmm.. we got more WW, and I have to raise lux to 30% now.. still making 792gpt
there is a massive dogpile on spain.. everyone but india is at war with them

since I cant safely get nukes to china,india,america and spain atm due to persian and french fleets and bombers. I decide to use the nukes on nearby babylonian and french cities..

Eulbar : BOOM
Samarra: BOOM
Avignon: BOOM
Rouen: BOOM

WTH,, england declared war on us when we nuked Rouen? They like nukes so much they want to get nuked themselves?

Kill the landed marine
redline defenders in brighton
fill empty army with elite* tanks
kill 2 defenders in brighton with army, then send it to heal
kill 2 defender in grighton with elite tank
capture and autoraze brighton with next tank
bombard english uranium just in case
turn babylonian rubber to craters
redline all defenders in norwich (babylonian town)

capture and autoraze norwich, loosing 1 tank and a cav in process. Capture an artilery

babylon has 3 tanks and 1 bomber left and cant build any more
france has 4 tanks and 3 bomers left

I am running short on tanks, so switch a lot of builds to this..


IBT:
japan and america fight in former aztec lands
spain and england sigh peace
japan declare war on persia
win and loose some units in defense.. all lost units was exposed units in enemy lands (including the oil pillaging units that finally died)

Seoul: Military academy -> nuke
p'yongyang: transport -> bomber
pusan: tank -> tank
namp'o: tank -> tank
hyangsan: Heroic Epic -> nuke
Ulsan: tank -> tank
taejon: nuke-> nuke
kaeson: bomber -> bomber
chonju: bomber -> bomber
Haeju: market -> nuke
sunwon: nuke -> nuke

1550AD, turn 5:
nuclear sub gets in range of russian capital Rostov...

Besancon: BOOM
Cherbourg: BOOM

Capture Nippur.. decide to keep it for now to see how bad flip risk is
Nippur is size 1 and comes loaded wuth all the improvmenets it had at size 19
Checking CprMapStat Nippur is hardly any flip-chance.. (0.055%) .. so keep it.. it will be ok once the craters has been cleared.

I left all workers fortified by seoul.. you can prolly start roading to Nippur and clearing the craters furthest away from borders.

So far it seems like no problem running in republic at 30% lux with just 2 luxuries... though lux tax will have to go higher in 15 turns when golden age ends.. (unless we can secure more luxes by then)

Taking a nuke along the blue path and guarding it properly will allow us to nuke London (will take 2 turns to get in position due to lack of coal for rails)

the save

 

[Gyathaar]

We need to rush some settlers soon to fill in unclaimed lands. Capturing York and paris would help a lot on WW and lux as well as cash.. (js Bach, smiths, universal suffage). We also need to grab gems from babylon or france.

I left a few units down by former aztec capital.. I shipped them there hoping to grab the luxes and coal, prroblem was that japan declared on aztecs before I got there and there was no way to get the units back (transport got redlines by bombers on the way.. and got sunk turn after units landed).. They can still capture the old aztec capital, and then we can rush reinforcements there... then hopefully grab the coal and luxes. Japan has rifles and cavs.

 

[andvruss]

Good turns. Woohoo for nukes

 

[geonnyboy]

:delurk: Is there a certain reason why you haven't built the UN yet? Obviously there's no chance of you guys winning a diplo victory (especially now) but losing to a diplo victory by one of the AI would be a shame, particularly since the game just got REALLY interesting. Or does everyone simply hate everyone else so much that the vote would be locked in a constant stalemate?

 

[Gyathaar]

We did build UN in Seoul in 1455AD..

In addition everyone DOES hate everyone.. I think all civs at most is at peace with 3 other civs
The world really blew up in war after I denied that demand from babylon.. it was an extremely peaceful game untilll then

 

[geonnyboy]

Oh. I must have missed that post.

Well, in that case nuke on fellows! Nuke on!

 

[steviejay]

truely awesome

you have to love nukes!!

Good set of turns, brilliant that we now have nukes.

 

[andvruss]

Will play tomorrow. I need to work on my portfolio for the rest of today .

 

[andvruss]

We may now capture French, English, and Babylonian cities on our contienent.
Hit enter
IBT: Russia and Persian sign alliance vs Japan
France and China sign allance vs America

France bombs us with bombers and ships
babylon pulls up TOWs and MI in our lines

During my first tank battle, our elite tank kills a vet inf in Reading, -1hp, and get a leader! Army formed
Vet MI kills flak in Reading and we capture the city.

Bombard large stacks of marines and TOW
Kill a 2hp MI with tank, but lose to a 1 hp one.

Tank Army kills 2 inf at Liverpool
Elite elite kills 2 cavs and get another leader !
Cant make anymnore armies.
Our city currently building Pentagon (3 turns done) switch to nuke (2 turns. I rush the Pentagon in Taejon
Nuke Amiens
Vet MI kills 2 hp inf in Liverpool and we take the city
Bomb stack of 6 TOWS to red

My elite tank make short work of these TOWs

IBT: repulse attacks
TBC, restart system.

 

[Gyathaar]

We may now capture French, English, and Babylonian cities on our contienent.

Actually, I didnt nuke london yet

 

[andvruss]

Whoops, didnt notice that. Hm, , abandon the cities, wait to capture more cities until every captial in the world is nuked, or let it slip?

 

[andvruss]

: edited

 

[Gyathaar]

I would say stop capturing more english cities, and nuke london asap