AVS3: Nuclear Winter
- Thread starter andvruss
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Perhaps post for more players again? pretty close to modern ages now so not long till some Nuke action now..
steviejay
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ok, I'm on standby. I'm free pretty much all weekend anyway. And I doubt we'll have much trouble getting players. There ain't a Civ player in the land who doesn't like launching a nuke in anger 
steviejay
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its been two days........... can I assume that Detlaf's been skipped? If so, I've got it
steviejay
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1370AD(0)
Have a look about, nothing really needed to be changed or anything. Electronics due next turn. Theres a marine sitting outside Seoul for some reason so I move it to P'yongyang as that citys undefended.
Check Diplo. Sell Scientific Method to the Russians for Spice, WM, 60gold and 53gpt. I think thats not a bad deal for a tech thats relatively useless because the Babs already have ToE.
Medicine to Japan for Dyes, Ivory and 5 gold. With 3 new luxuries Im able to lower lux to 0. Netting in 284gpt.
IBT- India come up to us to trade Saltpetre for 27gpt. Say yes.
1375AD(1)
Research Electronics. Choose Motorized Transport.
Wosan Inf > Hydro
Realise were on tech parity. This is awesome because if memory servers me correctly. Korea is a SCI civ, which means if we get to the Modern Age at the same time as the rest of the pack, we might have a tech to float about or even better, Fission, so we can get the UN cause loosing to Diplomacy would leave a bitter taste in the mouth of all of us.
Due to the luxuries I was able to get hold of, I can milk more out of the science bar, taking it to 90. Tanks are due in 7 with +11gpt. Thats as high as itll go, at 100 its still due in 7 but with a -100odd gpt.
Its making me INCREDIBLY nervous that the English dont have AT but we do.
IBT- Aztecs and England sign an alliance against Russia. Pft.
HOLY MOTHER!!! BABYLON DECLARE ON ENGLAND !!!!
Who mentioned earlier about Fascist Babylon and Democratic England getting it on? Good call to whoever it was.
1380AD(2)
Seoul completes Battlefield Medicine. Groovy. Set to artillery. At 88spt I can get one a turn. Thats just groovy.
Nampo Inf > Inf.
IBT- China and America sign an alliance against Persia. Its all flaring up now.
China then ask us for a MPP. Sorry, but no.
In war news the Babs take Norwich, a town on our border (near Ulsan) Its strange how some things are so obvious that you dont notice them right away. The English have no rail. None, not one single track. Take the war with Spain into account and the English are not in a very good position. With probably all their offensive units up north, the Babs are hitting the south hard and I wouldnt be surprised at all if they dont push right to Reading on the east coast, capturing Englands border with us.
We catch the Babs trying to put a spy in our capital.
1385AD(3)
Seoul Art > Art
P'yongyang Inf > Inf
Pusan Inf > Inf
Cheju Inf > Hydro
Pyongsong Inf > Hydro
In order to keep an eye on how the wars going. England has 136 Inf to Babs 138.
IBT- China and Persia sign a peace treaty.
Watch first hand as Babylon throw cavalry at Brighton. Kill some units but generally the attack seems to be a failure. Thatll change when the slow moving SoD arrives in a few turn. The cool thing is, if Brighton falls then we should net ourselves another source of saltpetre and I might build another city but Ill consider that if/when the city falls.
1390AD(4)
Seoul Art > Art
Hyangsan Inf > Hydro
Inchon Colosseum > Settler.
Manpo Inf > Hydro
Clean up some pollution. At the moment, its pretty quiet on doing things. Building up the cities for the eventual nuke attack and firming up the defences. The IBT are a lot more fun lol. (subnote- Ankka, if youre lurking, I think you made a good choice leaving, the turns are even slowing my computer down, and Im running an AMD 3200+ with 512RAM!!)
IBT- Spain cancels our Wine deal with them. No big loss, it was only for 7gpt.
The Babs bring in Persia against England. 14 Inf and 4 Guerillas advance on Brighton.
America demands Wines off us. Tell Abe where he can shove it, he chickens out.
1395AD(5)
Seoul Art > Art
Ulsan Hospital > Inf
Babs have 140 Inf to Englands 133
IBT- Spain and Persia sign an alliance against America and Japan.
China and France sign an MPP.
America and Babylon sign an alliance against England.Its starting to feel like the years coming up to WW1.
Babylon take Brighton, gaining us some land at Englands expense, also netting us another saltpetre. But my eyes are firmly set upon the oil just outside our borders now. If the Babs take Reading Im going to shove that settler in there, it wont be productive and itll be highly at risk of a flip but we will have an oil supply
1400AD(6)
Seoul art > art
Inchon settler > Hydro
Railroad the land freed up by the capturing of Brighton. The amount of units the Babs are throwing into this fight is massive and Ive only ever seen 2 English counter strikes.
IBT- Russia and Persian sign an alliance against Japan. Spain and Russian sign an alliance against the Aztecs.
Babs begin on UN 
Loose our coal and horses.
1405AD(7)
Learn Motorized Transport
Seoul art > Hoover (prebuild for UN, Ill need to steal it)
Taejon uni > inf
Paegam Hospital > Hydro
Drop science to 10 and 90 tax. Pulling in 1002gpt. Need a lot of successful steals here.
IBT- Just troop movement. Get the Babs start building UN message again must be in another city.
1410AD(8)
P'yongyang Inf > hydro
Pusan inf > inf
Cheju hydro > inf
Ulsan inf > hydro
Should be able to do a safe steal next turn on the Babs. For Radio, then say another 5 turns to get Fusion .. cutting it close .. wait a minute . Im a scientific civ . If I get Radio off of the Babs, I can either get Fussion for free, or get a tech for free which I can ultimately trade for Fussion.
For Wines, 3706gold and 215gpt I trade for Radio off the Babs .. and get FISSION
Set Seoul to UN. The race is on. Once I get some funds Ill check out the Bab city which is building it, see how itll end. At present Seoul can get it in 9, Ill mine some plains round Seoul we might be able to shave another turn or two off it but I dunno if Ive messed it up, if I have, please change it. Those turns are going to get really stressful
What to research now though, do I start going to nukes . Or go for Mech Inf . Ill go for Computers, when we start nuking well need some defence.
For the record . We have uranium. Phew, Now if weve just got a source of aluminium were in business. Subnote- the Babs dont have uranium.
IBT- France and Babylon sign an alliance against England
1415AD(9)
ARGH!! Accidently press the wrong button and turn a good worker into a poxy outpost. :doh:
IBT-China and Babylon sign an alliance against England. Dogpile.
Babylon completes Hoover Dam.
1420AD(10)
Do a check of the Babylon city of Nippur, the city which is building the UN. Due in 24, were sound. Got plenty of time.
Babs have 140 Inf to England's 123
Dont do much else. Making sure we get the UN so we dont loose to Diplomacy should be essential. With everyone trying to get a piece of England, were in pretty good shape, no threats visible. If the Babylonians ever decide to advance on Reading and take the city then the Settler outside Inchon and move to capture the oil deposit. Weve got a source of uranium .. but I dont know about aluminium yet, just need to pray. Theres a trade possible with the Persians, they dont have radio and would be willing to give about 80odd gpt for it plus whatever theyve got. Also, once they have that, they should get a free tech cause theyre also a scientific civ. If they dont get Fusion then we might be able to trade them for it. France will give us 5000odd gold for Fusion. A good theoretical situation would be selling Radio to Persia for 80gpt and stuff, Persia getting Computers for their free tech. We get it from them for Fusion and whatever gold they want. Well have enough since we give France Fusion for their gold. We then sell Computers to Babylon (theyll be research something like that anyway) for their gold (which is at present, 29,000!!!) So were up in techs and weve got a monopoly for the worlds gold.
Good luck to the next person and once more, I appologise if Ive buggered it up or anything
Have a look about, nothing really needed to be changed or anything. Electronics due next turn. Theres a marine sitting outside Seoul for some reason so I move it to P'yongyang as that citys undefended.
Check Diplo. Sell Scientific Method to the Russians for Spice, WM, 60gold and 53gpt. I think thats not a bad deal for a tech thats relatively useless because the Babs already have ToE.
Medicine to Japan for Dyes, Ivory and 5 gold. With 3 new luxuries Im able to lower lux to 0. Netting in 284gpt.
IBT- India come up to us to trade Saltpetre for 27gpt. Say yes.
1375AD(1)
Research Electronics. Choose Motorized Transport.
Wosan Inf > Hydro
Realise were on tech parity. This is awesome because if memory servers me correctly. Korea is a SCI civ, which means if we get to the Modern Age at the same time as the rest of the pack, we might have a tech to float about or even better, Fission, so we can get the UN cause loosing to Diplomacy would leave a bitter taste in the mouth of all of us.
Due to the luxuries I was able to get hold of, I can milk more out of the science bar, taking it to 90. Tanks are due in 7 with +11gpt. Thats as high as itll go, at 100 its still due in 7 but with a -100odd gpt.
Its making me INCREDIBLY nervous that the English dont have AT but we do.
IBT- Aztecs and England sign an alliance against Russia. Pft.
HOLY MOTHER!!! BABYLON DECLARE ON ENGLAND !!!!
Who mentioned earlier about Fascist Babylon and Democratic England getting it on? Good call to whoever it was.1380AD(2)
Seoul completes Battlefield Medicine. Groovy. Set to artillery. At 88spt I can get one a turn. Thats just groovy.
Nampo Inf > Inf.
IBT- China and America sign an alliance against Persia. Its all flaring up now.
China then ask us for a MPP. Sorry, but no.
In war news the Babs take Norwich, a town on our border (near Ulsan) Its strange how some things are so obvious that you dont notice them right away. The English have no rail. None, not one single track. Take the war with Spain into account and the English are not in a very good position. With probably all their offensive units up north, the Babs are hitting the south hard and I wouldnt be surprised at all if they dont push right to Reading on the east coast, capturing Englands border with us.
We catch the Babs trying to put a spy in our capital.
1385AD(3)
Seoul Art > Art
P'yongyang Inf > Inf
Pusan Inf > Inf
Cheju Inf > Hydro
Pyongsong Inf > Hydro
In order to keep an eye on how the wars going. England has 136 Inf to Babs 138.
IBT- China and Persia sign a peace treaty.
Watch first hand as Babylon throw cavalry at Brighton. Kill some units but generally the attack seems to be a failure. Thatll change when the slow moving SoD arrives in a few turn. The cool thing is, if Brighton falls then we should net ourselves another source of saltpetre and I might build another city but Ill consider that if/when the city falls.
1390AD(4)
Seoul Art > Art
Hyangsan Inf > Hydro
Inchon Colosseum > Settler.
Manpo Inf > Hydro
Clean up some pollution. At the moment, its pretty quiet on doing things. Building up the cities for the eventual nuke attack and firming up the defences. The IBT are a lot more fun lol. (subnote- Ankka, if youre lurking, I think you made a good choice leaving, the turns are even slowing my computer down, and Im running an AMD 3200+ with 512RAM!!)
IBT- Spain cancels our Wine deal with them. No big loss, it was only for 7gpt.
The Babs bring in Persia against England. 14 Inf and 4 Guerillas advance on Brighton.
America demands Wines off us. Tell Abe where he can shove it, he chickens out.
1395AD(5)
Seoul Art > Art
Ulsan Hospital > Inf
Babs have 140 Inf to Englands 133
IBT- Spain and Persia sign an alliance against America and Japan.
China and France sign an MPP.
America and Babylon sign an alliance against England.Its starting to feel like the years coming up to WW1.
Babylon take Brighton, gaining us some land at Englands expense, also netting us another saltpetre. But my eyes are firmly set upon the oil just outside our borders now. If the Babs take Reading Im going to shove that settler in there, it wont be productive and itll be highly at risk of a flip but we will have an oil supply
1400AD(6)
Seoul art > art
Inchon settler > Hydro
Railroad the land freed up by the capturing of Brighton. The amount of units the Babs are throwing into this fight is massive and Ive only ever seen 2 English counter strikes.
IBT- Russia and Persian sign an alliance against Japan. Spain and Russian sign an alliance against the Aztecs.
Babs begin on UN Loose our coal and horses.
1405AD(7)
Learn Motorized Transport
Seoul art > Hoover (prebuild for UN, Ill need to steal it)
Taejon uni > inf
Paegam Hospital > Hydro
Drop science to 10 and 90 tax. Pulling in 1002gpt. Need a lot of successful steals here.
IBT- Just troop movement. Get the Babs start building UN message again must be in another city.
1410AD(8)
P'yongyang Inf > hydro
Pusan inf > inf
Cheju hydro > inf
Ulsan inf > hydro
Should be able to do a safe steal next turn on the Babs. For Radio, then say another 5 turns to get Fusion .. cutting it close .. wait a minute . Im a scientific civ . If I get Radio off of the Babs, I can either get Fussion for free, or get a tech for free which I can ultimately trade for Fussion.
For Wines, 3706gold and 215gpt I trade for Radio off the Babs .. and get FISSION
Set Seoul to UN. The race is on. Once I get some funds Ill check out the Bab city which is building it, see how itll end. At present Seoul can get it in 9, Ill mine some plains round Seoul we might be able to shave another turn or two off it but I dunno if Ive messed it up, if I have, please change it. Those turns are going to get really stressfulWhat to research now though, do I start going to nukes . Or go for Mech Inf . Ill go for Computers, when we start nuking well need some defence.
For the record . We have uranium. Phew, Now if weve just got a source of aluminium were in business. Subnote- the Babs dont have uranium.
IBT- France and Babylon sign an alliance against England
1415AD(9)
ARGH!! Accidently press the wrong button and turn a good worker into a poxy outpost. :doh:
IBT-China and Babylon sign an alliance against England. Dogpile.
Babylon completes Hoover Dam.
1420AD(10)
Do a check of the Babylon city of Nippur, the city which is building the UN. Due in 24, were sound. Got plenty of time.
Babs have 140 Inf to England's 123
Dont do much else. Making sure we get the UN so we dont loose to Diplomacy should be essential. With everyone trying to get a piece of England, were in pretty good shape, no threats visible. If the Babylonians ever decide to advance on Reading and take the city then the Settler outside Inchon and move to capture the oil deposit. Weve got a source of uranium .. but I dont know about aluminium yet, just need to pray. Theres a trade possible with the Persians, they dont have radio and would be willing to give about 80odd gpt for it plus whatever theyve got. Also, once they have that, they should get a free tech cause theyre also a scientific civ. If they dont get Fusion then we might be able to trade them for it. France will give us 5000odd gold for Fusion. A good theoretical situation would be selling Radio to Persia for 80gpt and stuff, Persia getting Computers for their free tech. We get it from them for Fusion and whatever gold they want. Well have enough since we give France Fusion for their gold. We then sell Computers to Babylon (theyll be research something like that anyway) for their gold (which is at present, 29,000!!!) So were up in techs and weve got a monopoly for the worlds gold.
Good luck to the next person and once more, I appologise if Ive buggered it up or anything
steviejay
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andvruss said:
andvruss said:
Besides this, good job. We should really hope we get the UN. Hm, I didnt know we were so closw to the Modern Age! I guess I usually research up to Atomic Theory, and then motorized transport instead of the other way around.
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steviejay-just played
Gyathaar-up
Looking for 2 more players! Join if intertested in some modern age madness
The battlefield medicine was our prebuild for Hoover
Edit: I see Andvruss managed to point this out before me
Got it
steviejay
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Oh god, I'm so sorry!! I didn't see that when I was reading through the old reports. I did think it odd when we were building Battlefield Medicine as I think someone said earlier it wasn't needed but I saw that pretty much everyone was building Hoovers so I didn't think twice. I screw up, I'm sorry 
edit: went back and checked. saw where you said that, I don't know how I didn't see it, I'm sorry, I appologised, I just hope you can make up for it. sorry
A 2nd minor mistake was not spending a couple turns building up cash so you could buy fission before entering modern ages so we could have gotten another tech as free tech
But this would have meant having no prebuild for UN since you used up BM
But this would have meant having no prebuild for UN since you used up BM
steviejay
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sorry guys, I didn't think about that one, all I thought about was making sure we could get the UN. we might still be able to get a tech from the Perisans, but thats just hoping. Sorry guys, screwed up quite a bit here
Just occured to be.. we can prolly win diplomatically after we build UN.. 
Np.. just would have meant free powerplants in the cities that cant build nuklear powerplants.
Have played half my turns.. and as an update.. we got UN..
and we are about to get golden age after babylon decided they wanted to pick a fight with me
We finally have a target to nuke first
Edit: Had not started the Golden Age yet when I wrote this, and in hindsight didnt start it at all
and we are about to get golden age after babylon decided they wanted to pick a fight with me
We finally have a target to nuke first
Edit: Had not started the Golden Age yet when I wrote this, and in hindsight didnt start it at all
steviejay
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Babylon picked a fight?? :shock: they were so puppy-like in my turns. ok fair enough they were ripping the English to bits, but they seemed to like us.
They demanded 100gold from us (while we were paying them 215gpt ).
Since the turns was fairly boring.. I said no
).Since the turns was fairly boring.. I said no
1420AD, inherited turn:
The political powersituation has changed a lot ince I last played. So takes a bit to get caught up.
Babylon/english war has opened up extra land for us to work, and fliprisk in border towns are way down.
Go though all cities and change a lot of taxmen to civil engineers or policemen (policeman will produce more gold than a taxman in cities with markets,bank and stock.. aslong as it can get rid of 1 corrupted gold)
Rush commercial dock in Sunwon.
Switch some builds, rush other builds.
inch'on only need 8 units to prevent flip now, has 21..
Peagam only need 6, has 10
ship 4 infantery out on our island
Every border fort has 1 infantery guarding it now, except the one buidt on rubber.. that one has 3
After the changed borders, only 1 city can be reached by move 3 units..
babylon has just 3 cavalry, 1 tank
england has no units with more than 1 move
france has 12 cavalry.. they are actually biggest threat
Trying to map all alliances:
Poor england...
babylon and france is allied vs england
babylon and persia is allied vs england
babylon and china is allied vs england
babylon and america is allied vs england
spain is at war with england
russia is at war with england
persia and spain is allied vs america
persia and spain is allied vs japan
persia and russia is allied vs japan
france and india has a MPP
france and china has a MPP
outstanding deals:
china pay us 43gpt for 3 more turns
spain pay us 36gpt for 3 more turns
russia pay us 31gpt for 3 turns
persia pay us 110gpt and we pay them 155gpt (net 45gpt) for 3 turns
persia give is incense for wines and 8gpt for 6 turns
japan give us ivory and dyes for 10 turns
russia give us spices and 53gpt for 10 turns
india pay us 27gpt for saltpeter for 10 turns
we give babylon wines and 215gpt for 18 turns
babylon has almost 30k gold.. I want that stack..
france has 5.5k
india has 1 uranium
england has 2 uranium (one at our border)
babylon has 1 uranium
russia has 1 uranium
china has 1 uranium
plant spy with china
time to get a few techs
sell radio to england for horses, WM, 264gold and 251gpt
sell radio to persia for WM, 320gold and 87gpt (to get them into modern ages)
persia get rocketry
getting russia into moden ages for their free tech would mean gifing them 11 required industrial techs, including letting them infantery and tanks.. not worth it
sell fission to france for WM and 5479gold (babylon would sell it to them soon)
carefully attempt steal of rocketry from persia.. success
Sell rocketry to babylon for oil, Wm and 10664gold
sell rocketry to china for coal, Wm, 479gold and 178gpt
Now, just hope one of the civs with rocketry will research space flight for us
We have aluminium in the mountains inside our wall.
france has 2 aluminium
england has 1 aluminium on their island
india has 3
china has 1
america 1
russia 1
Only us, england,russia, china and india have the resources to build nukes without trading for them.. and only 1 spare uranium exists and its on the tile next to our border!
Currently have 14042gold, an making 1451gpt.. so rush some hydro plants so can start building tanks and artillery units next turn.
IBT:
P'yongyang: artillery -> Hwach'a (shortrush it with worker and then explorer so it finish in 1 turn)
Wonsan: artillery -> Hwach'a (builds them in 1 turn)
Namp'o: Hydro plant -> cathedral (on brink of rioting)
Hyangsan: Hydro plant -> police station (making 48 shields per turn.. I want 50 or more)
Ulsan: Hydro plant -> manhatten project (due in 16 turns.... countdown to nuclear first strike has started...)
Inch'on: Hydro plant -> ToW (wastes shields for everything else)
Pyongsong: Hydro plant -> Hwach'a
Teajon: Stock exchange -> commercial dock
Paegam: Hydro plant -> police station
Manp'o: Hydro plant -> police station
Kaesong: Bank -> court
Chonju: Bank -> court
Sunwon: commercial dock -> aqueduct
France is building UN
France is building manhatten project
1425ad, turn 1:
Upgrade all our warriors to ToW infantery to 5940gold
shortrush all police stations via worker and civil defense, cathedral via worker and nuclear sub..
Sell saltpeter and wines to france for WM,71gold, 56gpt and a worker
sell fascism to japan for WM, 49gold and 37gpt
Allow america to get into industrial ages by selling them magnetism for WM,23gold and 7gpt
Inspect the french city that build manhatten project.. its due in 15 turns.. 1 turn faster than We can build it..
No point in us building it then.. so switch Ulsan to tank
IBT:
P'yongyang: Hwach'a -> nuclear sub
Wonsan: Hwach'a -> Hwach'a
Punsan: artillery -> nuclear sub
Namp'o: Cathedral -> tank
Cheju: tank -> tank
Hyangsan: police station-> tank
pyongsan: Hwach'a -> Hwach'a
Teajon: Commercial dock -> granary
Paegam: police station -> hwach'a
Manp'o: police station -> tank
suwon: aqueduct -> stock exchange
1430ad, turn 2:
fill every square of the desert island with ToW.
buy worker from england for Wm and 107gold
IBT:
Persia and japan sign peace
persia and england sign peace
aztecs and england sign an alliance vs america (are aztecs suicidal? )
aztecs and angland sign an allianve vs france
aztecs and russia sign peace
wonsan: hwach'a ->hwach'a
ulsan: tank -> tank
pyongsong: hwach'a -> hwach'a
teajon: granary -> cathedral
paegam: hwach'a -> hwach'a
kaesong: courthouse -> stock exchange
chonju: court -> stock
1435ad, turn 3:
aztecs suddenly has a little bit of gold.. prolly from alliances..
sell republic to aztecs for WM and 141 gold
We have now passed persia, and is number 4 on the power graph.. after china, babylon and england
IBT:
America and persia sign peace
Wonsan: hwach'a -> SAM
cheju: tank -> SAM missile battery
hyangsan: tank -> SAM missile battery
inch'on: tank -> SAM
Pyongsong: hwach'a -> SAM
Peagam: Hwach'a -> SAM
Manp'o: tank -> SAM
sunwon: stock -> hwach'a
1440AD, turn 4:
sell corporation to russia for WM, 64gold and 32gpt
sell ironclads to japan for WM, 63gold and 8gpt
sell medicine to america for WM, 21gold and 42gpt
Our army is weak vs babylon, england and china.. strong or average compared to everyone else...
IBT:
England and spain sign peace
Namp'o: tank -> SAM
Ulsan: tank -> SAM
Teajon: Cathedral -> hospital
Chinese start building UN
1445AD, turn 5:
nothing.. I wish one of our neighbours would declare war on us.. we are ready for them now.. and getting a golden age would be good
They appear more scared of us than usual.. they even take the long route around our lands when it would be shorter for them to go though it
IBT:
Wonsan: SAM -> Hwach'a
cheju: tank -> SAM
Hyangsan: SAM -> tank
Inch'on: SAM -> Hwach'a
pyongsong: SAM -> Hwach'a
Paegam -> SAM -> Hwach'a
Manp'o: SAM -> tank
1450AD, turn 6:
nothing
IBT:
we no longer have to pay 8gpt to trade wines for incense from persia.. they will take it straight up now
babylon demands territory map and 100gold from us... (we pay them 215gpt... with some luck they will declare on us )
I tell him to take his empty threats elsewhere!
And he declare on us! Finally.. our first war
Seoul: UN -> SAM (dont hold election)
(continued)
The political powersituation has changed a lot ince I last played. So takes a bit to get caught up.
Babylon/english war has opened up extra land for us to work, and fliprisk in border towns are way down.
Go though all cities and change a lot of taxmen to civil engineers or policemen (policeman will produce more gold than a taxman in cities with markets,bank and stock.. aslong as it can get rid of 1 corrupted gold)
Rush commercial dock in Sunwon.
Switch some builds, rush other builds.
inch'on only need 8 units to prevent flip now, has 21..
Peagam only need 6, has 10
ship 4 infantery out on our island
Every border fort has 1 infantery guarding it now, except the one buidt on rubber.. that one has 3
After the changed borders, only 1 city can be reached by move 3 units..
babylon has just 3 cavalry, 1 tank
england has no units with more than 1 move
france has 12 cavalry.. they are actually biggest threat
Trying to map all alliances:
Poor england...
babylon and france is allied vs england
babylon and persia is allied vs england
babylon and china is allied vs england
babylon and america is allied vs england
spain is at war with england
russia is at war with england
persia and spain is allied vs america
persia and spain is allied vs japan
persia and russia is allied vs japan
france and india has a MPP
france and china has a MPP
outstanding deals:
china pay us 43gpt for 3 more turns
spain pay us 36gpt for 3 more turns
russia pay us 31gpt for 3 turns
persia pay us 110gpt and we pay them 155gpt (net 45gpt) for 3 turns
persia give is incense for wines and 8gpt for 6 turns
japan give us ivory and dyes for 10 turns
russia give us spices and 53gpt for 10 turns
india pay us 27gpt for saltpeter for 10 turns
we give babylon wines and 215gpt for 18 turns
babylon has almost 30k gold.. I want that stack..
france has 5.5k
india has 1 uranium
england has 2 uranium (one at our border)
babylon has 1 uranium
russia has 1 uranium
china has 1 uranium
plant spy with china
time to get a few techs
sell radio to england for horses, WM, 264gold and 251gpt
sell radio to persia for WM, 320gold and 87gpt (to get them into modern ages)
persia get rocketry
getting russia into moden ages for their free tech would mean gifing them 11 required industrial techs, including letting them infantery and tanks.. not worth it
sell fission to france for WM and 5479gold (babylon would sell it to them soon)
carefully attempt steal of rocketry from persia.. success
Sell rocketry to babylon for oil, Wm and 10664gold
sell rocketry to china for coal, Wm, 479gold and 178gpt
Now, just hope one of the civs with rocketry will research space flight for us
We have aluminium in the mountains inside our wall.
france has 2 aluminium
england has 1 aluminium on their island
india has 3
china has 1
america 1
russia 1
Only us, england,russia, china and india have the resources to build nukes without trading for them.. and only 1 spare uranium exists and its on the tile next to our border!
Currently have 14042gold, an making 1451gpt.. so rush some hydro plants so can start building tanks and artillery units next turn.
IBT:
P'yongyang: artillery -> Hwach'a (shortrush it with worker and then explorer so it finish in 1 turn)
Wonsan: artillery -> Hwach'a (builds them in 1 turn)
Namp'o: Hydro plant -> cathedral (on brink of rioting)
Hyangsan: Hydro plant -> police station (making 48 shields per turn.. I want 50 or more)
Ulsan: Hydro plant -> manhatten project (due in 16 turns.... countdown to nuclear first strike has started...)
Inch'on: Hydro plant -> ToW (wastes shields for everything else)
Pyongsong: Hydro plant -> Hwach'a
Teajon: Stock exchange -> commercial dock
Paegam: Hydro plant -> police station
Manp'o: Hydro plant -> police station
Kaesong: Bank -> court
Chonju: Bank -> court
Sunwon: commercial dock -> aqueduct
France is building UN
France is building manhatten project
1425ad, turn 1:
Upgrade all our warriors to ToW infantery to 5940gold
shortrush all police stations via worker and civil defense, cathedral via worker and nuclear sub..
Sell saltpeter and wines to france for WM,71gold, 56gpt and a worker
sell fascism to japan for WM, 49gold and 37gpt
Allow america to get into industrial ages by selling them magnetism for WM,23gold and 7gpt
Inspect the french city that build manhatten project.. its due in 15 turns.. 1 turn faster than We can build it..
No point in us building it then.. so switch Ulsan to tank
IBT:
P'yongyang: Hwach'a -> nuclear sub
Wonsan: Hwach'a -> Hwach'a
Punsan: artillery -> nuclear sub
Namp'o: Cathedral -> tank
Cheju: tank -> tank
Hyangsan: police station-> tank
pyongsan: Hwach'a -> Hwach'a
Teajon: Commercial dock -> granary
Paegam: police station -> hwach'a
Manp'o: police station -> tank
suwon: aqueduct -> stock exchange
1430ad, turn 2:
fill every square of the desert island with ToW.
buy worker from england for Wm and 107gold
IBT:
Persia and japan sign peace
persia and england sign peace
aztecs and england sign an alliance vs america (are aztecs suicidal?
)aztecs and angland sign an allianve vs france
aztecs and russia sign peace
wonsan: hwach'a ->hwach'a
ulsan: tank -> tank
pyongsong: hwach'a -> hwach'a
teajon: granary -> cathedral
paegam: hwach'a -> hwach'a
kaesong: courthouse -> stock exchange
chonju: court -> stock
1435ad, turn 3:
aztecs suddenly has a little bit of gold.. prolly from alliances..
sell republic to aztecs for WM and 141 gold
We have now passed persia, and is number 4 on the power graph.. after china, babylon and england
IBT:
America and persia sign peace
Wonsan: hwach'a -> SAM
cheju: tank -> SAM missile battery
hyangsan: tank -> SAM missile battery
inch'on: tank -> SAM
Pyongsong: hwach'a -> SAM
Peagam: Hwach'a -> SAM
Manp'o: tank -> SAM
sunwon: stock -> hwach'a
1440AD, turn 4:
sell corporation to russia for WM, 64gold and 32gpt
sell ironclads to japan for WM, 63gold and 8gpt
sell medicine to america for WM, 21gold and 42gpt
Our army is weak vs babylon, england and china.. strong or average compared to everyone else...
IBT:
England and spain sign peace
Namp'o: tank -> SAM
Ulsan: tank -> SAM
Teajon: Cathedral -> hospital
Chinese start building UN
1445AD, turn 5:
nothing.. I wish one of our neighbours would declare war on us.. we are ready for them now.. and getting a golden age would be good
They appear more scared of us than usual.. they even take the long route around our lands when it would be shorter for them to go though it
IBT:
Wonsan: SAM -> Hwach'a
cheju: tank -> SAM
Hyangsan: SAM -> tank
Inch'on: SAM -> Hwach'a
pyongsong: SAM -> Hwach'a
Paegam -> SAM -> Hwach'a
Manp'o: SAM -> tank
1450AD, turn 6:
nothing
IBT:
we no longer have to pay 8gpt to trade wines for incense from persia.. they will take it straight up now
babylon demands territory map and 100gold from us...
(we pay them 215gpt... with some luck they will declare on us )I tell him to take his empty threats elsewhere!
And he declare on us! Finally.. our first war
Seoul: UN -> SAM (dont hold election)
(continued)
1455AD, turn 7:
Babylon attacked and killed an infantery in a border fort next to their rails.. seems we need to put ToW in the forts on flat ground that border to them.
had really bad luck with the rng.. our fortified vet infantery in barricades killed first attacking infantery, but redlined. Their 2nd infantery killed our redlined one (but was redlined itself).
In adition to this the entire babylon attack force was 2 infantery that moved into a hole in wall.
babylon use bombers on our border town that isnt building SAM yet, so shortrush nuclear sub there so it can build SAM next (would waste a lot of shields if i switched)
Killed off the redlined infantery with a ToW.
Bombard the invading infantery with artillery, but since pretty much every city will complete their builds next turn, I kill them off with tanks instead of Hwach'a, will start golden age next turn.
At this point I wrote update in thread and went to bed.
Awake and looking at situation again, I decide to mobilize instead of starting golden age.
We have no non-military builds to start, and atm we have no need for extra gold from golden age.
Not starting golden age also allows us to keep building Hwach'a instead of artillery (40 shields instead of 80).. and we make enough gold to upgrade almost 20 of them per turn..
Carefully check if babylon has MPP with anyone.. they dont.. so I start bombarding their roads/rails nar our borders
railroad gone from 5 of their tiles, and another 4 tiles are just craters now.
Decide to sell england tanks so they have something to raze babylonian cities with once babylon gets gassed vs us
This war vs babylon has turned england gracious vs us..
Sadly all they have to offer is WM and 145gold for motorized transportation.. but I let them have it..
buy a worker from france for WM and 98gold
IBT:
America and england sign peace
Russia and england sign peace
Babylon bomb some units in border forts, attack some infantery in other forts there with tanks (they seem to stay away from tow). Loose no units, but retreat several babylon tanks
Seoul: SAM -> ToW (can build anything we have available in 1 turn (except manhatten that will take 6 turns), so pick the most expensive troop)
P'yongyang: nuclear sub -> SAM (babylon keeps bombing it every turn)
Pusan: Nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
Namp'o: SAM -> nuclear sub
Cheju: SAM -> TOW
Hyangsan: Tank -> artillery
Manp'o: Tank -> TOW
1460AD, turn 8:
kill a few units, bombard a lot more, but mainly consentrate on bombing out babylonian border territory.
misclick and send a Hwach'a out into enemy territory instead of bombing (cover it with a few units)
use a worker to build a radar tower in one of the places where bablylon attack our units in interturn
sell wines to china for 35gpt (make it pure per turn deal incase we want to declare on china before deal runs out)
buy worker from china
sell fission to persia for WM, 315gold and 131gpt
Loose 3 infantery on defense in the same fort.. kill about 10-15 units in defense before they fall
Seoul: ToW -> ToW
P'yongyang: SAM -> Hwach'a
Wonsan: ToW -> ToW
Ulsan: Tow -> tow
Pyongsong: tow -> tow
Teajon: tow -> tow
Peagam: Tow -> tow
Kaesong: rax -> coastal fort
chonju: rax -> coastal fort
1465AD, turn 9:
bombard and kill a ton of units.. manage to loose 2 tanks
IBT:
Aztecs request audience.. they want to trade world maps.. sure
persia and babylon sign alliance vs us..
we loose incense
loose a tow from to bombers and tank attacks.
Seoul riots, use scroll-ahead to prevent riots in other towns
Cheju: tow -> tow
Hyangsan: artillery -> artillery
Inch'on: Tow -> tow
Manp'o: Tow -> tow
loose spices,ivory, dyes..
1470AD, turn 10:
electricity to japan for ivory and dyes
steel gets us spices from russia
Notice babylon's only rubber is within range of artillery.. their rubber is now a crater..
Decide to play an extra turn to be able to get game into a better shape for handling over (units all over atm), since no longer at round set of turns anyway
IBT:
gandi wants to renew saltpeter trade, but can only pat 15gpt instead of 27gpt now.. make the trade pure per turn deal.
Persia and france sign alliance vs england
France and babylon signs alliance vs us..
aztecs and babylon sign alliance vs us..
aztecs and babylon sign alliance vs england
loose 3 TOW on defense.. kill a lot of units.
Seoul: Tow -> Tow
P'yongyang: Nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
namp'o: nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
Ulsan: Tow -> tow
pyongsong: tow -> tow
paegam: tow -> tow
capture hammurabi in trying to plant a babylonian spy in seoul
1475AD, turn 11:
totally isolate babylonian town nippur (surrounded by craters now, and has dropped to size 15 from 19)
spot french nuclear sub, and kill it
babylon will talk peace now..
WW has finally started to kick in..
after I kill all babylon units inside our borders, they will pay us for peace
So I sign peace with babylon and they pay us 4gpt
This also gets us out of mobilization, so next player can start golden age now if wanted.. (mobilization and golden age dont stack, and mobilization takes presedence i believe)
Can run 0% lux again
babylon is selling their extra oil to someone.. either france or persia.. no matter what.. its someone at war with us.. and we need oil.
For next player:
we have 2 ways to get oil so we can build tanks..
a) either use our settler and build a town south of the oil in english territory by inch'on. Can send unused workers this turn to the tile, and can connect it next turn.. we are at peace with both england and babylon, so they should not attck is yet.. but need to protect the town and workers well, since france has ROP with babylon.
b) Other option is to sign trade embargos with france and see if that frees up babylons extra oil, if not sign vs persia.. then buy the oil from babylon.
Advantage with b is that our enemy cant build tanks.. advantage with a is we wont have to pay for oil, and wontbe at babylons mercy
another possibility is to first do b, then a.. and we get the best of both
France should finish manhatten project soon.. it had 6 turns left when I inspected the town that builds it the turn before they declared on me.
Several civs has been in modern ages for many turns now and havent finished research on anything yet. Hopefully atleast one of them is researching space flight, thou computers would be very good too...
Steal or buy whatever shows up the turn it is available.. if you see that any of the civs we are at war with have MI, steal computers from them.
France and china has a MPP, so dont bombard tiles in french lands, also dont bombard or attach french units when they are on their side of the border.
(China pay us lots of gpt and also supply us with coal.. thou coal isnt needed atm)
The AIs will attack infantery in fort/barricade in flat land with infantery
They will attack TOW in fort/barricde in flat land with tanks
They wont touch units in forts/barrickades in hills or mountains unless they can bombard them first.. may be worth building some mobile SAMs.. pretty much every unit I lost was due to bombers boming the units down before multiple tanks attacked them
Btw.. all AI capitals can be reached with tactical nukes from subs..
The save
Babylon attacked and killed an infantery in a border fort next to their rails.. seems we need to put ToW in the forts on flat ground that border to them.
had really bad luck with the rng.. our fortified vet infantery in barricades killed first attacking infantery, but redlined. Their 2nd infantery killed our redlined one (but was redlined itself).
In adition to this the entire babylon attack force was 2 infantery that moved into a hole in wall.
babylon use bombers on our border town that isnt building SAM yet, so shortrush nuclear sub there so it can build SAM next (would waste a lot of shields if i switched)
Killed off the redlined infantery with a ToW.
Bombard the invading infantery with artillery, but since pretty much every city will complete their builds next turn, I kill them off with tanks instead of Hwach'a, will start golden age next turn.
At this point I wrote update in thread and went to bed.
Awake and looking at situation again, I decide to mobilize instead of starting golden age.
We have no non-military builds to start, and atm we have no need for extra gold from golden age.
Not starting golden age also allows us to keep building Hwach'a instead of artillery (40 shields instead of 80).. and we make enough gold to upgrade almost 20 of them per turn..
Carefully check if babylon has MPP with anyone.. they dont.. so I start bombarding their roads/rails nar our borders
railroad gone from 5 of their tiles, and another 4 tiles are just craters now.
Decide to sell england tanks so they have something to raze babylonian cities with once babylon gets gassed vs us
This war vs babylon has turned england gracious vs us..
Sadly all they have to offer is WM and 145gold for motorized transportation.. but I let them have it..
buy a worker from france for WM and 98gold
IBT:
America and england sign peace
Russia and england sign peace
Babylon bomb some units in border forts, attack some infantery in other forts there with tanks (they seem to stay away from tow). Loose no units, but retreat several babylon tanks
Seoul: SAM -> ToW (can build anything we have available in 1 turn (except manhatten that will take 6 turns), so pick the most expensive troop)
P'yongyang: nuclear sub -> SAM (babylon keeps bombing it every turn)
Pusan: Nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
Namp'o: SAM -> nuclear sub
Cheju: SAM -> TOW
Hyangsan: Tank -> artillery
Manp'o: Tank -> TOW
1460AD, turn 8:
kill a few units, bombard a lot more, but mainly consentrate on bombing out babylonian border territory.
misclick and send a Hwach'a out into enemy territory instead of bombing (cover it with a few units)
use a worker to build a radar tower in one of the places where bablylon attack our units in interturn
sell wines to china for 35gpt (make it pure per turn deal incase we want to declare on china before deal runs out)
buy worker from china
sell fission to persia for WM, 315gold and 131gpt
Loose 3 infantery on defense in the same fort.. kill about 10-15 units in defense before they fall
Seoul: ToW -> ToW
P'yongyang: SAM -> Hwach'a
Wonsan: ToW -> ToW
Ulsan: Tow -> tow
Pyongsong: tow -> tow
Teajon: tow -> tow
Peagam: Tow -> tow
Kaesong: rax -> coastal fort
chonju: rax -> coastal fort
1465AD, turn 9:
bombard and kill a ton of units.. manage to loose 2 tanks
IBT:
Aztecs request audience.. they want to trade world maps.. sure
persia and babylon sign alliance vs us..
we loose incense
loose a tow from to bombers and tank attacks.
Seoul riots, use scroll-ahead to prevent riots in other towns
Cheju: tow -> tow
Hyangsan: artillery -> artillery
Inch'on: Tow -> tow
Manp'o: Tow -> tow
loose spices,ivory, dyes..
1470AD, turn 10:
electricity to japan for ivory and dyes
steel gets us spices from russia
Notice babylon's only rubber is within range of artillery.. their rubber is now a crater..
Decide to play an extra turn to be able to get game into a better shape for handling over (units all over atm), since no longer at round set of turns anyway
IBT:
gandi wants to renew saltpeter trade, but can only pat 15gpt instead of 27gpt now.. make the trade pure per turn deal.
Persia and france sign alliance vs england
France and babylon signs alliance vs us..
aztecs and babylon sign alliance vs us..
aztecs and babylon sign alliance vs england
loose 3 TOW on defense.. kill a lot of units.
Seoul: Tow -> Tow
P'yongyang: Nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
namp'o: nuclear sub -> nuclear sub
Ulsan: Tow -> tow
pyongsong: tow -> tow
paegam: tow -> tow
capture hammurabi in trying to plant a babylonian spy in seoul
1475AD, turn 11:
totally isolate babylonian town nippur (surrounded by craters now, and has dropped to size 15 from 19)
spot french nuclear sub, and kill it
babylon will talk peace now..
WW has finally started to kick in..
after I kill all babylon units inside our borders, they will pay us for peace
So I sign peace with babylon and they pay us 4gpt
This also gets us out of mobilization, so next player can start golden age now if wanted.. (mobilization and golden age dont stack, and mobilization takes presedence i believe)
Can run 0% lux again
babylon is selling their extra oil to someone.. either france or persia.. no matter what.. its someone at war with us.. and we need oil.
For next player:
we have 2 ways to get oil so we can build tanks..
a) either use our settler and build a town south of the oil in english territory by inch'on. Can send unused workers this turn to the tile, and can connect it next turn.. we are at peace with both england and babylon, so they should not attck is yet.. but need to protect the town and workers well, since france has ROP with babylon.
b) Other option is to sign trade embargos with france and see if that frees up babylons extra oil, if not sign vs persia.. then buy the oil from babylon.
Advantage with b is that our enemy cant build tanks.. advantage with a is we wont have to pay for oil, and wontbe at babylons mercy
another possibility is to first do b, then a.. and we get the best of both
France should finish manhatten project soon.. it had 6 turns left when I inspected the town that builds it the turn before they declared on me.
Several civs has been in modern ages for many turns now and havent finished research on anything yet. Hopefully atleast one of them is researching space flight, thou computers would be very good too...
Steal or buy whatever shows up the turn it is available.. if you see that any of the civs we are at war with have MI, steal computers from them.
France and china has a MPP, so dont bombard tiles in french lands, also dont bombard or attach french units when they are on their side of the border.
(China pay us lots of gpt and also supply us with coal.. thou coal isnt needed atm)
The AIs will attack infantery in fort/barricade in flat land with infantery
They will attack TOW in fort/barricde in flat land with tanks
They wont touch units in forts/barrickades in hills or mountains unless they can bombard them first.. may be worth building some mobile SAMs.. pretty much every unit I lost was due to bombers boming the units down before multiple tanks attacked them
Btw.. all AI capitals can be reached with tactical nukes from subs..
The save
Excellent turns . Things heating up now. In my turns, I will prebuild for nukes in a bunch of cities. It's been long since I posted this SG, so I need to look over the rules I posted about nuclear engagment.
To keep i the spirit of this SG, I wll get nukes ASAP, and not stall for more unit buuilding time. BTW, does any civ have computers yet?
. Things heating up now. In my turns, I will prebuild for nukes in a bunch of cities. It's been long since I posted this SG, so I need to look over the rules I posted about nuclear engagment.To keep i the spirit of this SG, I wll get nukes ASAP, and not stall for more unit buuilding time. BTW, does any civ have computers yet?
No civ has computers yet, and there is nothing to prebuild for nukes.. most expensive thing to build is ToW for 120 shields.. and almost no town use more than 3 turns to build that
That is one reason I wanted a war to start.. because only thing I had to do was build units
I would think that both computers and space flight will be available before france finish manhatten.
That is one reason I wanted a war to start.. because only thing I had to do was build units
I would think that both computers and space flight will be available before france finish manhatten.
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