B04: What if they were wrong?

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

No more Americans, 2 more Spanishs ... we're just about to reach our self-imposed limit of 2 landmasses. Not gonna count Chicago here, it's way too insignificant, unless anyone wants to push on the rules.

MeteorPunch
Beorn
Khan_Asparuh
sanabas
Viper275 <- UP
Soul_Warrior <- On Deck

 

[viper275]

Got it... I hope.

 

[viper275]

Preturn: Washington becomes The Ice Hotel and Chicago becomes Fish N' Chips Island. One question. If we abandon the cities on that tiny island we are conquering, would we be able to take some from Egypt and if so, would it be worth it?
IBT- Suez Steak Sandwich Library-Harbor. Bedlam Aqueduct-University. Sanaberg Library-University. Idiot Academy South Library-University. Die Soul de Guerre Harbor-University
1
IBT- AK's Oasis Marketplace-University.
2
Santander Captured.
IBT- 22 Acacia Avenue Library-Courthouse. Zulu start Newton's.
3
Logrono is captured. Spain is gone. Found Viper's Ski Resort and start Library.
IBT- Physics--> Theory of Gravity (Newton's perhaps?)
4
Found Viperranoutofcitynames (please abbreviate in the future unless you want to be typing for days.) Start Library.
IBT- Soul Food University-Bank. Suez Steak Sandwich Harbor-University. Bulgaricus Library-University. Sarah McLachlan Rules Library-University. Dutch start Bach's.
6
IBT- Idioticus Library-University. Athens builds Bach's. Zulu start Newton's.
7
IBT- B's Idiot Academy University-Bank.
8
IBT- Greeks start Smith's, Babylon starts Newton's.
9
IBT- Flooded Desert Aqueduct-University. Babylon starts Smith's. Zulu start Smith's.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

We could do that, and if it isn't worth it, it will at least spice up the game

MeteorPunch <- On Deck
Beorn
Khan_Asparuh
sanabas
Viper275
Soul_Warrior <- UP

 

[soul_warrior]

got it, but will probably only play tomorrow
will see about abandoning tiny island.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

are we allowed to keep 2 units on this tiny island (if we abandon it) to avoid giving air bases to the AI?
EDIT: Nevermind, Viper was talking of the biggy isly.
EDIT2: We've renounced on the 2 turn worker factory? I love these...

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

From what I saw on my turns, we were all set on workers. However I didn't think long term, so I'd have to review that judgement if we are to reach rails anytime soon.

We still are a monarchy, right? We might want to change that ASAP.

 

[soul_warrior]

pre turn i see that we have 2 caravels and a galley.
if we want to go after cleo we need many more.
this seems to become yet another builder set.

the builds take some getting used too. if we remove from the list of projects the 2 spears, the musket and the odd harbour, all we are building are universities, cool

1- Barcelona's waste lib > caravel, Myxamitosis aqua > knight,
BTW, greece, zulu and babylon are up music, democracy, ToG and Military trad. good were going after cleo next.
did you ever have resisting citizens of a dead civ? curious...
move our glorious leader to Soul Food so we can rush newtons there in 3.

2- AKs oasis Uni > caravel, starve the resistors.

3- ToG in > Magnets in 32 (10% sci as we are desperate for some cash)
winter palace lib > cannon,
not enough cash to rush the bank in soul food. finishes in 2. pray.
get more beakers from resistors cutting of 5 turns.

4- Bedlam uni > knight, Sanaberg uni > musket,

5- Soul Food bank > newtons, Eddie's library > caravel,
wanted to rush newtons and cant? only build an army?

quit here, so if anyone has an idea, fix it.
no pix as nothing really changed.

and we quit our deals with the gang.

 

[MeteorPunch]

Most interesting city names ever variant that's for sure! Philadiotia?


On a more serious note, we need to think of how we're gonna win this. The "two-island rule" I was not really aware of. This probably rules out a domination victory. 20k and 100k are both out of the question, leaving us with diplo,space,and conquest.

For diplo and space we need to ramp up our infrastructure as high as possible. If going for conquest, I would plan for going after a weak Civ asap.

Also, Newton's is building in the capital and I don't think we could beat the AI civs to it. It can be switched to a bank though.

 

[soul_warrior]

the newton's build in the capital was a bank, i just switched it to see if our leader can change it. nothing wasted there, just didnt put the build back up.

cleo, oh, cleo....
i suggest a militarily oriented expedition.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

Soul, we can't rush Newton's with MGL. This is C3C.
Form an army is the thing to do, but don't fill it. I think that a conquest victory is the way to go, we're bad neigbours, but with only fish to fight it's less fun. So lets show open thinking, abstraction and ignore the oceans, saying that our neighbors are across the pool. See what I mean? Ever tried to explain the difference between a pool and an ocean to an idiot?
Looking for a roster... Found it, guess MP got it.

 

[soul_warrior]

Soul, we can't rush Newton's with MGL. This is C3C.
Form an army is the thing to do, but don't fill it. I think that a conquest victory is the way to go, we're bad neigbours, but with only fish to fight it's less fun. So lets show open thinking, abstraction and ignore the oceans, saying that our neighbors are across the pool. See what I mean? Ever tried to explain the difference between a pool and an ocean to an idiot?
Looking for a roster... Found it, guess MP got it.

i keep forgeting that military leader thingee...
and i think that they DO touch our borders (as they all have the ability to caravel, it is just a great big pond right now.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

@MP: 2-island rule is valid before Panzers only.
I think our best bet will be a military win, although we will need serious infra to keep up with the AI ... I must admit being torn between the possibilities at hand here.

We'll need to discuss a bit. Should we build infra like mad dogs and start going military only at Panzers ? That way we have a very large window of time to Republic it up and build full infrastructure to take advantage of our new research capacity. After that, commie and go roll over some badlands.
That's only my uneducated view of mid-long term stuff, because short term, something has to be done, monarchy is killing our economy, in so far as I can tell.

MP up, I'm on deck.

 

[MeteorPunch]

If we invest resources now in taking out Cleo, there is no point to keep the cities (because they island closer to us is more productive. Yet if we take her out, the other AI's will probably resettle the island so we'll have to take it over again anyway.

On the overall, I learn towards just developing infrastructure with all victory conditions in mind.

 

[MeteorPunch]

Not much to report, just some building.

Preturn - lots of MM and turn the research up.

730 - trade with England and Netherlands.

There's a caravel going north to get some units that are on an island.

One thing is that we're in Monarchy. I almost revolted but my turns took too long already so I just played. Republic/Democracy/Communism(soon) anyone?

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

If commie is within 20 turns, I'd wait for it, if not, Demo by all means. We'll have use for it. Got it, probably tomorrow night.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Pre-Turns: Mag is already MM'ed to the last scientist, nothing to add but credit to MP.

Self explanatory.
We get magnetism.Universal sufferage pop ups

T 1.
7 turns of anarchy, not the worst thing around.
We get free medecine.
Trades time !
RoP with Egypt gets us 26g
Chemistry to Hitties for Silks +8g
530+20gpt, Medecine and WM to Dutch for Demo+Nav
Trade WM's around, get some coins and the full WM.
Zulu are scary big, they took out France early and they're on a continent even larger than ours. They have SoZ, KT, Sun Tzu, Coper and Newton's.

IT: Sparta completes Shakespeare's
Babylon completes Smith's

T 2.
Hitties and Rome revolt to Demo.
10gpt for WM from English and Dutch

T 5.
This is not turn 5 but it's turn 200 anyways, so I'll take a 12-13 turns round to round it off to 210, and it'll be easier for myself to follow the turns if it's congruent mod 5. Mathematicians have a hard time counting.
1 Zulu transport spotted.

IT: Athens completes Univ Suff, Dutch sign MA against us.

T 6.
First Zulu convoy Thwarted, second one closing in on the American coast.

T 8.
WE the people of Germany vote for a strategic retreat @ Fish 'n Chips, for 2 cavs 1 LB 1 rifle are too many for a single elite MDI with 3 kids.

T 10.
The Zulu peace costs us 257+100gpt and WM but grants Steam Power
There's one IW spot but it would mean re-settling core cities, which is evil.
Electricity from Babylon for Dyes, WM, 210gpt+9g.
Industrialisation from Greece for all our spare change left.
Steam, Electricity, Indus and the rails starting to be built will cost us the next 20 turns' income I'm afraid.
Sold Dyes to everyone for whatever they could afford. Next time they'll afford more.
We're now at 12+11gpt

IT: Babylon gets Magellan at Nineveh
Dutch sign MA with England against us

T 11.
(min) Research set on Sci Method, Corporation and RP are out there.

T 14.
Peace with Netherlands would cost us a MPP with them to get us Nationalism - only way around to obtaining that pesky tech, which I don't take.

IT:Zululand and Babylon MPP.

T 15.
Sell Steam to the Dutch for some coins.
Service railnet is complete, we are now connected throughout the land by rails (except for the great white north).

Of the 6 IW spots on the map, only Heliopolis and Rotterdam are eligible. 2 civs that struggle to keep up, so it's not so bad after all.
4 towns build aqueducts that we don't necessarily need, see to it as you please.

The Save

Roster:
MP
B
Khan <- Up
sana <- On Deck
Viper
SW

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

Whoops, that makes me up I think... I can take it but am away from civ equiped computer until tomorrow night. If someone wants to jump in, go on, otherwise this is my got it for full 48.

 

[Khan_Asparuh]

I'm terribly sorry guys but I've been unable to play. Please skip me as I foresee a civless weekend. RL is coming to see me.
Sorry again.

 

[Beorn-eL-Feared]

Of course, no prob

Roster:
MP
B
Khan <- Skip
sana <- Up
Viper <- On Deck
SW