^This. I do not want it taken as a whole. I want to take what changes were useful and made the game more interesting, and see what we can do with those. We have more tools and perspectives here than just the communitas folks. The advantage though of a community that set out to try to mod in interesting and strong choices shouldn't be discounted as a "meh", whatever just because it was never used.
Simply because it may not require us to reinvent the wheel every time we want to rebalance something instead of having a 20 page thread. We can reach a rough consensus a lot faster based upon changes that were already run through a 20 page thread several times. That's the reason I post change lists, is to mine them for ideas for things we may or may not want to see changed. CEP usually had a pretty good overall goal of not changing things for the purpose of change, but to seek out more interesting choices by tweaking and improving with some modification. It did not always succeed in that goal, and I think many of us quickly recognize when it did not.
And yet. We've seen some things get accepted or endorsed actively and near universally and some pushed back. That's okay. I don't expect this to be CEP+. I don't want it to either. But I do want us to get through the process of knowing what we want to or need to change quickly. And usually we were able to identify what needed to be pushed, and what did not. Even if the precise mechanics of how to push it aren't to everyone's liking.
Simply because it may not require us to reinvent the wheel every time we want to rebalance something instead of having a 20 page thread. We can reach a rough consensus a lot faster based upon changes that were already run through a 20 page thread several times. That's the reason I post change lists, is to mine them for ideas for things we may or may not want to see changed. CEP usually had a pretty good overall goal of not changing things for the purpose of change, but to seek out more interesting choices by tweaking and improving with some modification. It did not always succeed in that goal, and I think many of us quickly recognize when it did not.
And yet. We've seen some things get accepted or endorsed actively and near universally and some pushed back. That's okay. I don't expect this to be CEP+. I don't want it to either. But I do want us to get through the process of knowing what we want to or need to change quickly. And usually we were able to identify what needed to be pushed, and what did not. Even if the precise mechanics of how to push it aren't to everyone's liking.