[R&F] Based on the new features - which civilizations and leaders should be introduced in R&F?

[Eagle Pursuit]

Yeah those archers looked strange to me. I couldn't really place the design.

The guy who sneaks up on the father just prior to that is pretty unique looking too.

 

[Guandao]

The guy who sneaks up on the father just prior to that is pretty unique looking too.

That happened so fast, I couldn't really make out his design.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

That happened so fast, I couldn't really make out his design.

I had to pause the video. He has a big bushy mustache and is vaguely Middle-eastern.

The dominant colors on the archers (and the the mustache guy, and the one the father kills) all seem to match the Ottomans when you GIS Ottoman uniforms. But the design is completely off.

 

[Kheznik]

On the subject of the archers: I've been doing a LOT of searching since the trailer first dropped, because I swear those horse archers aren't Mongolian, on account of the lack of fur in their armour (which isn't necessarily a rule in Mongolian attire or anything, but if they were a reference to them, surely they'd make 'em furry?). Anyways, I found this:

(Lamiskana Orbeliani fortress)

It's a fortress within the Kingdom of Kartli, which existed from 1466 to 1762, long after the Mongols were relevant. The design is very similar though it's not a perfect match, and the one "featured" in the trailer (assuming it's meant to refer to anything) could have been built centuries earlier for all I know. I'm no Georgian historian and Georgian architecture ain't my strong suit. But pair this image with the Caucasian mountains in the backgrounds and I would say that that scene was very likely set in Georgia.

 

[God of Kings]

On the subject of the archers: I've been doing a LOT of searching since the trailer first dropped, because I swear those horse archers aren't Mongolian, on account of the lack of fur in their armour (which isn't necessarily a rule in Mongolian attire or anything, but if they were a reference to them, surely they'd make 'em furry?). Anyways, I found this:

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(Lamiskana Orbeliani fortress)

It's a fortress within the Kingdom of Kartli, which existed from 1466 to 1762, long after the Mongols were relevant. The design is very similar though it's not a perfect match, and the one "featured" in the trailer (assuming it's meant to refer to anything) could have been built centuries earlier for all I know. I'm no Georgian historian and Georgian architecture ain't my strong suit. But pair this image with the Caucasian mountains in the backgrounds and I would say that that scene was very likely set in Georgia.

...and there's going to be date palms as well and the dev team said that there would be more female leaders from unrepresented areas.

Thus, Tamar of Georgia (it helps that her name means "date palm" in Hebrew).

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

On the subject of the archers: I've been doing a LOT of searching since the trailer first dropped, because I swear those horse archers aren't Mongolian, on account of the lack of fur in their armour (which isn't necessarily a rule in Mongolian attire or anything, but if they were a reference to them, surely they'd make 'em furry?). Anyways, I found this:

View attachment 482561

(Lamiskana Orbeliani fortress)

It's a fortress within the Kingdom of Kartli, which existed from 1466 to 1762, long after the Mongols were relevant. The design is very similar though it's not a perfect match, and the one "featured" in the trailer (assuming it's meant to refer to anything) could have been built centuries earlier for all I know. I'm no Georgian historian and Georgian architecture ain't my strong suit. But pair this image with the Caucasian mountains in the backgrounds and I would say that that scene was very likely set in Georgia.

Interesting. When I was looking at Ottoman uniforms, I kept getting images of Armenian archers from the Total War series that looked a little like the archers.

 

[Kheznik]

...and there's going to be date palms as well and the dev team said that there would be more female leaders from unrepresented areas.

Thus, Tamar of Georgia (it helps that her name means "date palm" in Hebrew).

Gotta be honest. I thought Tamar was just a forum meme for the longest time, but I did some reading on her, and with everything else surrounding R&F, I'm now willing to believe that you may be right. What a crazy world.

 

[Hakan-i Cihan]

The archers don't look Ottoman or Seljuq to me. Their headgear doesn't look like fezzes, which is introduced in ottoman army in 19th century so archers would be weird in that timeframe and never used by Seljuks. It somewhat looks like religious headgear of muslims taqiyah (similar to jewish kippah). Uzbek and Kazakh taqiyah (called tubeteika) came to my mind, for example:

But I noticed that the soldier attacking Sean Bean, has a small shield (a buckler?), smaller than the shield of Sean Bean. That type of shield doesn't look very Central Asian or Middle Eastern. So could it be a Slav or Caucasus soldier?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

It's way more elaborate, but here's a tunic with repeating triangles like the warriors the Mongols are fighting. apparently it's a style called khevsureti talavari. the second guy even has a tiny buckler.

Spoiler :

 

[Zaarin]

Guys, you're building up my hopes for Tamar of Georgia. I can't handle another Gorgo-disappointment.

 

[Cerilis]

Someone should start watching day tv shows in Georgia though

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

On the subject of the archers: I've been doing a LOT of searching since the trailer first dropped, because I swear those horse archers aren't Mongolian, on account of the lack of fur in their armour (which isn't necessarily a rule in Mongolian attire or anything, but if they were a reference to them, surely they'd make 'em furry?). Anyways, I found this:

View attachment 482561

(Lamiskana Orbeliani fortress)

It's a fortress within the Kingdom of Kartli, which existed from 1466 to 1762, long after the Mongols were relevant. The design is very similar though it's not a perfect match, and the one "featured" in the trailer (assuming it's meant to refer to anything) could have been built centuries earlier for all I know. I'm no Georgian historian and Georgian architecture ain't my strong suit. But pair this image with the Caucasian mountains in the backgrounds and I would say that that scene was very likely set in Georgia.

It's way more elaborate, but here's a tunic with repeating triangles like the warriors the Mongols are fighting. apparently it's a style called khevsureti talavari. the second guy even has a tiny buckler.

Spoiler :

And the region this style of tunic comes from is the same as the above castle. very interesting.

 

[Phoenix1595]

I agree that we might be looking at a trailer choked full of clues for the expansion civs, but there are questions I have: if we take the gladiator scene to mean Rome gets the alt, where does that leave the Berlin Wall scene and Germany? It seemed clear that only one alt leader was being added, so are some of the scenes red herrings, or is there a civ we are missing?

On that matter, nobody seems to be discussing the very first scene at the building site, next to the river. Could this be a clue too?

As for the ocean scene, it was spliced with the plague scene via the compass. Portugal is likely, but could it also correlate to Genoa, given the maritime republic's great berth of explorers and sailors?

Finally, I am sticking to the Mongols on the seige scene, but simply based on the daughter's outfit-- it is far more derivative of East/Central Asia than the more Western Ottoman. That said, there were Turkic/Mongol hordes everywhere throughout medival history, so who am I to say? Either way, I am happy they are burning Tamar's castle and her dreams of joining the civ ranks. Good riddance forever, Tamar!

 

[bite]

The Berlin wall could just be symbolizing the new city revolt mechanism

 

[KnightModern]

so if we list the parts in the trailer (P.S not in order)

- korea
- netherland
- mongol and/or georgia
- rome
- germany
- exploration civs
- US
- an ancient civs

excluding existing civs that have part in the trailer, we got about 5 parts (6 if we count rome part as other civs) about new civs, it's possible that both mongol & georgia are picked

 

[chronoturner]

I feel like Georgia is a safe bet, based on all the hints seemingly pointing a wide arrow at the Caucuses.

Though it does make me wonder, what other new civilisations could be represented? I have a feeling it'll either be an African or Native American civilisation, though these could also easily be civilisations already represented in the game as well. I do think that we'll get Georgia and Canada, but a third one I cannot think of.

 

[luigilime]

gentlemen, these are some georgian traditional costumes, look at the third couple on the top row, looks familiar?

 

[liv]

so if we list the parts in the trailer (P.S not in order)

- korea
- netherland
- mongol and/or georgia
- rome
- germany
- exploration civs
- US
- an ancient civs

excluding existing civs that have part in the trailer, we got about 5 parts (6 if we count rome part as other civs) about new civs, it's possible that both mongol & georgia are picked

Video in order
Ancient Building scene - clearly Greece based on the pattern we see on the desk
Ancient fighting scene - Roman
Medieval fighting scene pt 1 Korean
Medieval fighting scene pt 2 Mongol ?
Medieval fighting scene pt 3 storming of a castle
Black Death Scene - look is Italian
Exploration pt 1: pure exploration
Exploration pt 2: in a warship
Statue of Liberty and French Flag Scene
Dutch Resistance Scene
Berlin Wall Scene
Modern UN? Speech Scene

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

gentlemen, these are some georgian traditional costumes, look at the third couple on the top row, looks familiar?

After spending some hours perusing traditional Georgian costume, I have to say they are some snappy dressers.

 

[Siptah]

Since we are trying to see as much as possible in the trailer, I want to mention the things on the table in the very beginning. There's a globe, a pair of compasses, a compass. The pair of compasses and the compass switch places suddenly when there is a switch in perspective. Does that mean we'll finally see a civ with supernatural powers? Or is it the Antikythera mechanism indicating a science focused third leader for Greece ?