Battlestar Galactica video blog: introducing Bulldog (racial comments)

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OK.

First, let me preface this by saying that I'm not really all that concerned about racial diversity in science fiction TV shows anymore. More than most other genres, science fiction has been really good about both racial diversity and not promoting negative stereotypes, so as long as the cast isn't completely monochromatic, I'm pretty much not going to complain about racial diversity.

A good example of this was the casting choice for Kingpin in an otherwise laughable movie (Daredevil). For those of you who don't know, the Kingpin is an arch villain that appears in several different superhero comic books, and he's been a staple in the Marvel universe for decades. The character has also always been white in the comic books. When they cast a black actor, I was amazed at the lack of complaints about it. There weren't too many conservatives complaining about "political correctness" in changing a traditionally white character into a minority, and there weren't too many liberals complaining about the possibility of negative stereotypes (Kingpin is an organized crime boss). The vast majority of comic book fans simply accepted that they found the best actor for the role, and the actor just happened to be of a different race (Kingpin really needs a particular presence to satisfy comic book fans, and Michael Clark Duncan is really the only actor I can think of who could pull it off). The lack of hair-pulling over this casting choice really shows how far we've come... at least in the sci-fi/comic book genres.

Furthermore, Battlestar Galactica (the new series) is plenty diverse, so even if I were generally inclined to complain about such things, I wouldn't in this case.

It's just that one of the very few things I liked about the otherwise crappy original series was the casting of black actors in certain roles. Even after Star Trek, blacks were still depressingly absent from most science fiction, which sent an unintentional message that black people didn't have a future. Even though the original BSG wasn't the first to include prominent black characters, they were bold in where they chose to put black characters: the executive officer and one of the ace fighter pilots. Back in the late seventies, you didn't see blacks in roles like that in any genre, much less science fiction.

So when the new BSG aired, I have to admit I was a little disappointed.

Sure, they made colonel Tigh white. No big deal. The character is far more interesting, and the actor is phenomenal, and really that's what matters (re: the casting of Kingpin mentioned above). Sure, they made Boomer into an Asian woman. Again, no big deal. Although the actress doesn't impress me, they took the character in a radically different and interesting direction.

It's just that I wanted to see at least one black pilot, just to tip the hat at one of the few things I liked about the original series. The new series disappointed me in that regard... until now.

Introducing Bulldog
(Video blog entry at the official site)

All I have to say is: YAY!
 
Looks interesting! I'm guessing from the clip with the doctor that he'll be protrayed as having suffered some imjury pre-attack on the colonies and is just now recuperated enough to fly again?
 
The new BSG rocks...!

I think that there are no doubt plenty of black crewmen (and gals) in
the colonial fleet, it is just that the story didn't dwell on any of them
in the narrative...But I would really say that a show is racist because
of a lack of a certain minority being represented.

And keep in mind, the demographics were different 20 years back.

Show we accuse a WW2 drama on the Eastern front of being racist
because no black dudes are present?...You have to see the context.

.
 
A good example of this was the casting choice for Kingpin in an otherwise laughable movie (Daredevil). For those of you who don't know, the Kingpin is an arch villain that appears in several different superhero comic books, and he's been a staple in the Marvel universe for decades. The character has also always been white in the comic books. When they cast a black actor, I was amazed at the lack of complaints about it. There weren't too many conservatives complaining about "political correctness" in changing a traditionally white character into a minority, and there weren't too many liberals complaining about the possibility of negative stereotypes (Kingpin is an organized crime boss). The vast majority of comic book fans simply accepted that they found the best actor for the role, and the actor just happened to be of a different race (Kingpin really needs a particular presence to satisfy comic book fans, and Michael Clark Duncan is really the only actor I can think of who could pull it off). The lack of hair-pulling over this casting choice really shows how far we've come... at least in the sci-fi/comic book genres.
I complained about that entire movie, including Kingpin. But that was mostly because the movie was crappy.

Anyway, as long as this character is as interesting as the other characters have been, and isn't simply pandering to political correctness - which I don't think it is - then it's cool with me. BSG can always use another good actor.
 
I hate when people insert racial politics (or really any politics) into fiction or literature, but thats just me.

I always liked original Tigh back in the day, but new Tigh is incredible (except for the occasional slips of Canadian accent). I always loved original Starbuck, but Kara may be my favorite character on the new show. The skin color and plumbing attachments dont mean anything to me, the characters and acting do.

On a side not... Imposing our version of race relations onto a fictional universe where apparently, the downtrodden are Saggiteron (sp?) colonists who were exploited regardless of skin color, seems pretty ridiculous. The two SGs we've seen are Zarek and Dualla, pretty diverse.

Regards Bulldog, anytime a new character is introduced onto a show I like I get wary. The video was too choppy to follow, but I hope his backstory is believable and fits in with the events of the last three seasons. Given the history and people involved I'm relatively confident they can pull it off.
 
CurtSibling said:
The new BSG rocks...!

I think that there are no doubt plenty of black crewmen (and gals) in
the colonial fleet, it is just that the story didn't dwell on any of them
in the narrative...But I would really say that a show is racist because
of a lack of a certain minority being represented.

And keep in mind, the demographics were different 20 years back.

Show we accuse a WW2 drama on the Eastern front of being racist
because no black dudes are present?...You have to see the context.

.
Minor spoiler here:

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Bulldog
 
joycem10 said:
I hate when people insert racial politics (or really any politics) into fiction or literature, but thats just me.

I always liked original Tigh back in the day, but new Tigh is incredible (except for the occasional slips of Canadian accent). I always loved original Starbuck, but Kara may be my favorite character on the new show. The skin color and plumbing attachments dont mean anything to me, the characters and acting do.

On a side not... Imposing our version of race relations onto a fictional universe where apparently, the downtrodden are Saggiteron (sp?) colonists who were exploited regardless of skin color, seems pretty ridiculous. The two SGs we've seen are Zarek and Dualla, pretty diverse.

Regards Bulldog, anytime a new character is introduced onto a show I like I get wary. The video was too choppy to follow, but I hope his backstory is believable and fits in with the events of the last three seasons. Given the history and people involved I'm relatively confident they can pull it off.
"Insert racial politics"?

Did you read my post at all? I mentioned that I don't have problem with diversity in modern science fiction TV shows in general. I mentioned that I particularly don't have a problem with diversity in this show. I specifically mentioned that acting and character are more important to me than the race of the actor.
 
I'm less concerned about the "ethnicity" of the BSG crew than about the insane number of journalists and news network for a community of 45,000 people lost in space.
 
Underseer said:
"Insert racial politics"?

Did you read my post at all? I mentioned that I don't have problem with diversity in modern science fiction TV shows in general. I mentioned that I particularly don't have a problem with diversity in this show. I specifically mentioned that acting and character are more important to me than the race of the actor.

Which you followed up by mentioning your prior disappointment with the lack of a black pilot character until now.
 
Masquerouge said:
I'm less concerned about the "ethnicity" of the BSG crew than about the insane number of journalists and news network for a community of 45,000 people lost in space.

That's actually quite accurate ;)

On the topic: I don't care about racial equality in TV shows and I wonder why anyone should. They should choose actors according to their skills, not race (of course, when they want the character to be black, they can hardly give that role to a white, but you know, what I mean).

Nowadays, I am more concerned about the falling ratings of BSG in the US. So, my US friends, START WATCHING IT OR I SWEAR I AM GOING TO TELL THE CYLONS WHERE THE US IS, YOU UNGRATEFUL TOASTERFRAKKERS!

;)
 
If it means a visit by Six, go ahead and fire up the comms link. ;)
 
Winner said:
Nowadays, I am more concerned about the falling ratings of BSG in the US. So, my US friends, START WATCHING IT OR I SWEAR I AM GOING TO TELL THE CYLONS WHERE THE US IS, YOU UNGRATEFUL TOASTERFRAKKERS!

;)

As long as they don't bring in Heather Locklear to save the ratings, a la Melrose Place...
 
Masquerouge said:
As long as they don't bring in Heather Locklear to save the ratings, a la Melrose Place...

I thought that's what Lucy Lawless was for... ;)

Certainly Dean Stockwell wasn't in that league.
 
Masquerouge said:
As long as they don't bring in Heather Locklear to save the ratings, a la Melrose Place...

once i read an article about how american TV shows brought her in to save their ratings, they had given a few examples, the only i remember now is spin city.

basicly when she comes in, your show is over. :lol:

she is hot as hell, but what is she now? 50? there has gotta be other hotties around.

and melrose place... the only show i hate more than that was that beverly hills 90532874 show, goddamn i hated that crap. :mad:
 
Jawz II said:
once i read an article about how american TV shows brought her in to save their ratings, they had given a few examples, the only i remember now is spin city.

basicly when she comes in, your show is over. :lol:

she is hot as hell, but what is she now? 50? there has gotta be other hotties around.

and melrose place... the only show i hate more than that was that beverly hills 90532874 show, goddamn i hated that crap. :mad:

For a reason I can not quite remember, I used to regularly watch Melrose Place with my college MALE friends for over 2 years.
I think pot is indeed harmful :lol:
 
i think i know the reason, it would be that uber hot blonde model/actress chick that shared an apartment with the black chick.

dunno the blondes name, but she played the guys (brendan frasier i think) GF in the movie "airheads". one of my all time favourite movies.

i watched most of the 1st season too. i was young and dumb too once. ;)
besides initially we didnt know it was a ladies soap opera. :D
 
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