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Be honest! Who currently still prefers Civ IV?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by kamex, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. squadbroken

    squadbroken King

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    I keep seeing this in hex vs. squares arguments and it totally baffles me. How is simply having more directions you can move better? Especially when the way Civ 4 handled movement meant that diagonal moves were almost always superior unless something in particular prevented them.
     
  2. kenwyn

    kenwyn Master

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    As an old boardgamer, the new, much more realistic hex tile system should be a step up in looks as well as movement. Tho I'll miss the transports, so long merchant marines. http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/frown.gif
     
  3. sosco

    sosco Chieftain

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    Ive gone through all pages and cant stop laughing... After 1 days som vets on Civ fanatics are rumbling such a nonsense....there is only one thing that goes through my mind (Darwin):“It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.” Here it seems that nothing works for guys that are used to civ iv (i'v played it since start btw)....and to think how they criticised it at start...heh.
     
  4. 12agnar0k

    12agnar0k Emperor

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    What are you people going on about, Civ V is way better than Civ IV, that was so 5 years ago, change with the time people.
     
  5. chongli

    chongli Prince

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    Civ 5 is, in my experience so far, the best game in the series and one of the best strategy games I've ever played (very close to Master of Magic). The tactical combat is so refreshing. No more fretting over the possibility of losing a unit despite 99% odds. Through proper planning, I can make multiple ranged attacks on an enemy unit and kill it without taking any damage, guaranteed.

    The elimination of sliders is another huge godsend. Man, did I ever hate how Civ 4 forced me to keep adjusting the science/culture/espionage/gold rate all the time. The elimination of per-city happiness and health is also really nice. As eluded to earlier in this thread, there is a huge amount of strategic depth to keeping your empire in positive happiness, gold and food while continuing to grow (and actually be able to produce anything). So far, there seems to be no easy answer for how to do this.

    The other major implication of empire-wide happiness is that you can no longer think about maxing each city. An extra citizen in one city means one fewer in another. You need to think extremely carefully about where you want to allocate your population among your cities in order to be most productive.

    The last big thing I really enjoyed is that I no longer have to tediously hook up all my resources with roads. A simple route-to command allows me to connect all my cities in a much more orderly fashion.

    Really? Have you won on deity yet?
     
  6. RD-BH

    RD-BH Human

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    The deity AI is quite 'stoopid'.
     
  7. onedreamer

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    Rethorical question when asked on day 1.
     
  8. tuuhhov

    tuuhhov Chieftain

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    I've only played the demo once, so no comments on actual gameplay yet. Call me crazy, but I actually like Civ 4's graphics more than 5's! (I use the highest settings in both games.)
     
  9. Bluetooth

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    I’ve only played the demo for a couple of hours so it’s too early to say of course. All I can say right now is that I don’t like the graphics. And by that I don’t mean the graphics quality but more the look.
     
  10. AFACI

    AFACI Chieftain

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    Holy :):):):) I can't believe people are already dissing it and asking what their preference is! The game only just came out - give it a chance!
    For one thing, the "Civ IV" most people refer to, is usually BTS, a game that has fully developed. Look back at people's reactions when Vanilla first came out.

    I just can't wait until all the expansions come out - that's the best part!
     
  11. Newcomer24

    Newcomer24 Warlord

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    I love Civ4... it's my favorite game of all times. This said... I have played it hundreds of times for a total of thousands of hours. I really needed something new.

    This new Civ is a good game, it still lacks something but even Civ4 wasn't perfect at release. So, for now, I will just force myself to try to get used the new game knowing for sure that with time this is going to be another masterpiece.
     
  12. draxil

    draxil Chieftain

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    Not me. I live the novelty, and the tactical battles :)

    But then I can only play 100 turns at a time right now, perhaps it sucks after that?
     
  13. Iceciro

    Iceciro Special Ability: Decimate

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    Civ V does a lot of things better than Civ IV. It just needs some tweaking, just like Civ IV did.

    Asking me to compare my Civ IV experience to new civ is really unfair since my Civ IV experience has two major expansions, a boatload of patches, and then Rise of Mankind: A New Dawn on top. :crazyeye:
     
  14. Schuesseled

    Schuesseled Deity

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    When a unit gets a level up theres an efdit button underneath the promotions pop up interface. click on that.
     
  15. Schuesseled

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    The civ demo is a little limiting, but i didn't expect anything different. The full game of civ 5 is gonna rock when it's released here.
     
  16. KyleCraig

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    gotta give you that :)


    Good for you to like Darwin, but I don't think you can generalize his quote about preferences in gaming. If we were talking about a real-life situation, then I would completely agree with you. But this is JUST a game. In a game, we are allowed to be picky and expecting, because it is about OUR fun. :)
    But I agree that probably after 1-2 years everybody (probably including me) will have changed their minds. But it is still about a current impression, not about a general judgement that decides whether this game is a mistake or not. In the end, even I will buy the game, but the demo has not impressed me at all, and I LOVE Civ IV, so I'm probably gonna stick to that one for a while longer till I finally make the switch.

    And the expansions (+mods) are gonna be what makes number 5 probably another great game that is worth playing... So far though......... :confused::confused::confused:

    but I'm sure it will be better....


    In the end all these criticisms just mean that we have to come up with some nice mods and changes ourselves and BLESS firaxis for giving us this opportunity!! :D :goodjob:
     
  17. sghiminini

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    I don't want to sound offensive or arrogant, but this post to reads: "I don't like this game because I can't use my favourite Civ IV strategy...".

    It's a new game, you'll need to come up with different strategies. Personally I wouldn't like it if I could play the same style I played Civ IV.
     
  18. Orbiter

    Orbiter Chieftain

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    I think the game looks and feels amazing! There's a few things I would like to see changed though:

    1. When it's time to choose a new policy/production/research, let us be able to press enter to open the relevant interface. Clicking all the time is tedious.

    2. There are way too many city-states and they are too frequent in their requests (in the demo atleast).

    3. MP needs a fix
     
  19. Bad Brett

    Bad Brett King

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    In that case you got me wrong. My biggest issue with this game isn't that I can't use my Civ IV tactics (Remember that I've played all Civ games a lot, including Colonization), no, it's the fact that I have no control in the beginning of the game. The cities grow if you are happy and when they grow you get extra science.

    In earlier versions, you could have a small mining town with source of corn and three gold mines, and yet your entire economy could depend on it. You have big great people farms, or cottage cities... You could try to found three or four religions in your capital to get a great income. You could focus on trade routes, you could turn useless water tiles into something great with Moai + Col + Fin...

    No one can tell me that you have the same amount of options in Civ V.

    I've played Civ IV for five years and still come up with new strategies all of the game. The game wasn't perfect, but the replay value was incredible.
     
  20. May Day 10

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    I hate to say it, but I may end up reverting before too long.

    Civ V feels and looks a lot like Revolutions. A couple things I like, but a few things I hate already. I think I can get used to it and "get into it", but it doesnt feel right yet.

    The game seems very clunky, including the UI. I have a pretty decent laptop, and it really struggles with the game.... and IMO Civ IV looks better and moves better (other than battles). The little struggles the CPU has makes it not that enjoyable and for how the game looks and acts, it doesnt seem necessary.
     

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