Beefjack interview (Morocco hinted?)

[KaneofEgypt]

... but they could throw some wild card like the Confederacy as a playable civ. Lets face it they often throw in something really left field (The Huns in G&K), HRE in previous games so something like the Confederate States of America is not that ridiculous.

They would get REALLY torn apart for adding the Confederate States of America. Also, I can't really think of a lot the Confederacy really did. Let's hope they don't just go for a shock.

 

[Louis XXIV]

but they could throw some wild card like the Confederacy as a playable civ. Lets face it they often throw in something really left field (The Huns in G&K), HRE in previous games so something like the Confederate States of America is not that ridiculous.

Sorry, it is that ridiculous. It existed for five years (and I'm being generous there) and it's only accomplishment was losing in a war. There's a far better argument for the Palmyrene Empire.

 

[LordDavius]

I'm pretty stoked for the possibility of a Moroccan civ! To be completely honest, I'm far more behind them than I would be for many other possible African civs.

 

[Heinage]

How about a UA like this?
Double gold and religious pressure from land trade routes

 

[PerceeP927]

I don't agree with the religious pressure, I don't think Morocco was known for aggressively spreading religion, they are sort of a mix of many

 

[Human Crouton]

Sorry, it is that ridiculous. It existed for five years (and I'm being generous there) and it's only accomplishment was losing in a war. There's a far better argument for the Palmyrene Empire.

Yeah, I'm open for pretty much any empire. I don't care if they existed for 6 months, as long as they had some kind of uniqueness or impact on history. Texas, Venice, East Timor, and Greenland are all fine for me; but not the confederate states.

The confederacy has nothing that defines it as anything more than an inbred rich kid's tantrum. They didn't conquer anything, they didn't have any new ideas, and they were all around losers. They didn't even rebel in order to advance some kind of new idea. They became an "independent nation" just to maintain a lazy status quo that the rest of the literate world had already long abandoned; and the only mark they left on history are 30 second amputation techniques and rednecks running red lights with a "Rebel Yell" decal on their trucks.

They should be a civ in the scenario, but they might as well put my apartment building as a independent civ before they put the confederacy into the main game.

 

[alter_echoe]

As pleased as I am to see Morocco, I hope we also see another Sub-Saharan Civ, such as the Ashanti.

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking right now! I watch documentaries like crazy and I had already seen all those Lost Kingdoms of Africa series long before this expansion was announced. I became obssessed with the idea of the Asante in CiV, and now that Kongo is all but out I'm very frustrated. With the perfect circumstances of a Scramble for Africa scenario, I feel it's almost criminal not to have a central african civ. We need that flavor!

On the other hand, I have to say, I'm stoked out of my mind with this quasi-confirmation of Morocco. Apart from the aparent scrape of the Pueblo and the foreign legion as a french UU (wich I feel is absolutely criminal since it is one of the more spot-on choices for a UU in all the game) it has been all good news so far: my country (Brazil) in, with Brazilwood camps (I just got that! Brazil's Wood Camps made no sense whatsoever. Now the culture after acoustics seems a genious touch); the delightful choices for Portugal, from the *perfect* color scheme to naus and feitorias; a freaking Winged Hussar; Shaka back where he belongs with the Impi range/melee combo, you name it, I love it all. But this Moroccan thing is number one for me. I think it's a lock, I think him saying what he said coupled with the obvious connection between berbers and the new trade routes (and there's the poster image) is a dead giveaway. By the way, one of their Uniques HAS to be a special type of Caravan Unit. It's perfect.

 

[Haig]

May I present a worthy leader for Morocco Civ, would fit easily in Race for Africa scenario:


Abd el-Krim (1882-3, Ajdir[1] – February 6, 1963, Cairo) (full name: Muhammad Ibn 'Abd al-Karim al-Khattabi, Arabic: محمد بن عبد الكريم الخطابي, Berber name: Muḥend n Ɛabd Krim Lxeṭṭabi or Moulay Muḥend) was a Moroccan political and military leader. Together with his brother Mhemmed, he led a large-scale revolt by a broad coalition of major Rif tribes against French and Spanish colonial occupation of the Rif, a large Berber-speaking area in northern Morocco, culminating in the establishment of the short-lived Republic of the Rif. His guerrilla tactics are known to have influenced Ho Chi Minh, Mao Zedong, and Che Guevara.[

Okay he wasn't a prime minister or anything, but would make a colorful leader. And I bet when they start doing press for the new scenarios they will reveal one African civ, it's gotta be one tied to colonialism in Africa.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Abd el-Krim would be a good choice for a leader. He's not too well-known nowadays, but that has never stopped a civ leader from showing up.

 

[poom3619]

Hmm. Given that Morocco is in for real. There's only 3 civ slot left, and BNW would be a bit "Afrocentrism" if Kongo and Ashanti is also in. Although all of them are deserve a slot IMO.

I didn't have much knowledge about Moors, Morocco and anything around there. (I love Fez hat) But addition of Morocco would fill another underrepresented part of the world, and might be fun and interesting civ to play.

"GAMIFICATION" FTW!!!

But you can't rule out a possibility
"Yep. You will enjoy sending your Archaeologist to dig near Marrakesh and relive the French conquest of City state of Marrakesh in 1400 BC. "

 

[Menzies]

Kongo is out anyhow, we've seen Mbanza-Kongo as a city state already.

 

[Dragonflow]

I wonder if the Moroccan civ will also include elements of the kingdoms of Muslim Spain. If yes then they could have a Grenadine Crossbowman UU, but I believe they'll probably have some Berber cavalry UU.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

she was a Berber queen as far as I know, ruled in what is now Algeria, was then Numidia. not really appropriate for Morocco, particularly as (my gfs Moroccan friend tells me) ethnic Moroccans consider themselves Arabic as a kind of loyalty and NOT Berber

I imagine modern Morocco does, but it wasn't always Arabic. According to that most reputed of sources, wikipedia, she in fact ruled 'tribes' in what is not Morocco and Tunisia. The only mention of Algeria (or Numidia) is that she marched there to oppose the Arabs in battle.

She could very well be included from the looks of things, and i would not oppose a leader that wears lions.

 

[Dragonflow]

I wonder if we'll have to wait for another month before Firaxis says anything about Morocco/other civs?

 

[Pouakai]

I wonder if we'll have to wait for another month before Firaxis says anything about Morocco/other civs?

By which time we'll be arguing about the composition of the dirt on Shaka's diplo screen

 

[Menzies]

Yeah, I'm open for pretty much any empire. I don't care if they existed for 6 months, as long as they had some kind of uniqueness or impact on history. Texas, Venice, East Timor, and Greenland are all fine for me; but not the confederate states.

The confederacy has nothing that defines it as anything more than an inbred rich kid's tantrum. They didn't conquer anything, they didn't have any new ideas, and they were all around losers. They didn't even rebel in order to advance some kind of new idea. They became an "independent nation" just to maintain a lazy status quo that the rest of the literate world had already long abandoned; and the only mark they left on history are 30 second amputation techniques and rednecks running red lights with a "Rebel Yell" decal on their trucks.

They should be a civ in the scenario, but they might as well put my apartment building as a independent civ before they put the confederacy into the main game.

How on Earth is Greenland unique or had cultural impact. It's a series of small villages on the coast of an insignificant rocky ice covered Island. Yes, it once had a Viking colony, but there's no point where there's anything all that unique or interesting about it. An Inuit Civilization might be interesting, but Greenland as itself?

That said, it's laughable that the CSA has even been suggested, but I think you're being a bit unfair with the characterisation there and to be blunt, you're sounding a bit of a bigot yourself in that post. The civil war was a lot more complex than just "slavery" and the "status quo" and had deeper economic and socio political issues behind it and to characterise the people who still identify with the culture of the confederacy as inbred shows horrifying prejudice and such characterisations of any group of people should not be made in a modern civil society.

 

[Menzies]

By which time we'll be arguing about the composition of the dirt on Shaka's diplo screen

If I recall, they tell us everything about 2 weeks to a month before release, so we're about 2 months from knowing everything. I'd guess we'll get a them in 3 sets, one every 2-3 weeks from now along with a general trickle of information.

 

[Dragonflow]

By which time we'll be arguing about the composition of the dirt on Shaka's diplo screen

The top topics will be: "Shaka's dirt", "How to grow a beard like Ashurbanipal", "That brick behind Maria is totally misplaced", "Is that pixel next to the Château an Inuit?" and "That X is totally OP".

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

By which time we'll be arguing about the composition of the dirt on Shaka's diplo screen

I do believe Shaka's dirt has in fact already been discussed

 

[Calouste]

How on Earth is Greenland unique or had cultural impact. It's a series of small villages on the coast of an insignificant rocky ice covered Island. Yes, it once had a Viking colony, but there's no point where there's anything all that unique or interesting about it. An Inuit Civilization might be interesting, but Greenland as itself?

That said, it's laughable that the CSA has even been suggested, but I think you're being a bit unfair with the characterisation there and to be blunt, you're sounding a bit of a bigot yourself in that post. The civil war was a lot more complex than just "slavery" and the "status quo" and had deeper economic and socio political issues behind it and to characterise the people who still identify with the culture of the confederacy as inbred shows horrifying prejudice and such characterisations of any group of people should not be made in a modern civil society.

It wasn't really. Just read the declarations of secession of the CSA states or the constitution of the CSA, which is about 95% word for word the same as the constitution of the USA, and one of the few major differences was to make laws limiting the right to own "negro slaves" explicitly unconstitutional.