Been Playing Civ too Long

[A1CBOZ]

Re France, you and some other people posting here need to calibrate your irony metres. As for the argument that "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about", that is an old and a bad one. There has never been a case of government agencies being given powers to spy on the citizens when they havent abused them. And anyway, why *should* they be allowed to snoop freeely on citizens? If there is just cause or reasonable suspicions, they can get a court order.

You don't know a thing about interception of phone signals do you?
Or have a clue of how many court orders that would require. Or the fact that when it has been established that the conversation is not out of the ordinary, it is disregarded and forgotten. But of course you'll never hear that on any news station.

And if you think that the government has just recently been listening to phone lines, you are either in denial, or delusional

 

[A1CBOZ]

Re France, you and some other people posting here need to calibrate your irony metres. As for the argument that "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about", that is an old and a bad one. There has never been a case of government agencies being given powers to spy on the citizens when they havent abused them.

Tell me. Has the US government abused it yet?

 

[Arlborn]

You don't know a thing about interception of phone signals do you?
Or have a clue of how many court orders that would require. Or the fact that when it has been established that the conversation is not out of the ordinary, it is disregarded and forgotten. But of course you'll never hear that on any news station.

Do you work on the government?
How do you know for sure then?
Yes, sure...US's politic is known to have a lot of secrets and hide facts form the public heh.

How do I know my conversation with my friend in which I promise him to burn a CD of the Windows won't be bought by Microsoft in some years, when US makes its Police State official, and used against me?

No plx no sue me. Is only fake example, plx, me can provi!

Or not.

 

[Arlborn]

Tell me. Has the US government abused it yet?

How in the name of God would I know?

If I was them, and I abused it, oh, if I wouldn't clean up the mess fast and efficiently..

And don't forget that spies are overpowered now

 

[A1CBOZ]

Do you work on the government?

Not quite. But close. Military. And in the intel community

 

[Arlborn]

Not quite. But close. Military. And in the intel community

And then again, how would I know you gotta keep quiet?
If they even tell you the truth.

Brazil is a . .. .. .. . country in, oh, so many ways,, but at least politics are careless enough to keep a, hum, 'Free Speech' politics!~

OK sorry, I don't want to take it personal, if you want please feel free to msg me. I just can't accept this kind of thing hehe.

 

[A1CBOZ]

And then again, how would I know you gotta keep quiet?
If they even tell you the truth.

Brazil is a . .. .. .. . country in, oh, so many ways,, but at least politics are careless enough to keep a, hum, 'Free Speech' politics!~

OK sorry, I don't want to take it personal, if you want please feel free to msg me. I just can't accept this kind of thing hehe.

Free Speech is a pipe dream. It doesn't exist. It can't. Never has, and never will. In no country and I dare someone to say different.. But lets not forget it gives +2 gold per town..

 

[Arlborn]

Free Speech is a pipe dream. It doesn't exist. It can't. Never has, and never will. In no country and I dare someone to say different.. But lets not forget it gives +2 gold per town..

I meant the politicians in Brazil, not the people(at least not in this comment), because they, uh, how you put it...They simply don't have the capacity for covering up their own ***

And Free Speech is possible, even if not fully existent right now
People in their own time tend to think a lot of things can't exist

 

[Arlborn]

In a side note, if you consider Brazil as a CIV....
Why the heck nobody didn't attack it yet???!?!!?
So many resources, so low in the power graph!!!!!!!!!

 

[A1CBOZ]

In a side note, if you consider Brazil as a CIV....
Why the heck nobody didn't attack it yet???!?!!?
So many resources, so low in the power graph!!!!!!!!!

Cause no one would be willing to risk the death of all the gorgeous models

 

[Photi]

Yes, and then would could be one of the weakest nations in the world with yearly riots for idiotic reasons, and a centralized government run by liberals causing more problems than they help. Yep.. exactly what this country needs....

I'm not saying that politicians should do whatever they want without regard to what the American people want, but It should be blatantly obvious that A government soley by the people cannot work becasue people, lets face it, are stupid, self serving, ignorant creatures with only their own interests at heart.

And someone also said something about the Patriot act and all that. I have one question, If you have nothing to hide, and nothing to worry about, why care if the government listens to your conversations?

There is a huge difference b/t patriotism and imperialism. The Iraq war is a war of imperialism. At the cost of many many Iraqi babies' lives, the Bush family and their friends have seen their bank accounts soar. In what way is the US safer today than before the spring of '03? In what way are the Iraqis better off? We have been lied to, and anyone who cared to be honest about it all knew we were being lied to before it began. The yes-men of the neo-conservatives (Limbaugh, Hannity and their followers etc) like to bring up this crap about honoring the soldiers, that we should support them while they are in harms way. That's just another fear tactic the people in power like to use as a smokescreen to advance their imperialist agendas. The question of 'supporting our troops' needs to be asked of them, why is it okay for them to send the brothers and sisters of the working class to kill Iraqis and to be put into harms way? How can that be considered patriotic in a war that is clearly not for defense? The imperialist argument is that the US needs to secure the free-flow of oil to the "advanced" (in what way?), industrialized, and "free" nations of the world. BS. The oil producing nations of the world need to sell their oil every bit as much as we need to buy it, the real question is who controls the profits of that oil, and the Bush family etc says that they have the biggest claim to that oil, control of the US military in effect means they (the Bush family etc) are the biggest mafia in the world. Rush Limbaugh et all go along with this non-sense in a blind act of 'patriotism.' Blood lust and greed, that's what this war is about, and the Bush family etc has shown that we (americans) are not the society we like to think we are. Of the people for the people by the people. You think so?

And about nothing to hide, nothing to worry about, that's plain non-sense. The point gets made before this question is even asked. It is a matter of principle that supposedly our government was founded upon, and is a principle that is meant to protect the citizens from the government and a government's inclination to abuse its power.

 

[Arlborn]

Cause no one would be willing to risk the death of all the gorgeous models

Ah yes true. It explains a lot!
And anyway, the WW would be killer so late in the time and probably wouldn't be worthy. So many people unhappy with the kill of future super-models and future soccer's players that the WW would make up almost for a revolution!
Look US against Iraq! So much WW, and the war was so small...Imagine if the 190 millions of people in Brazil started to suicide themselves with bombs against soldiers!

Actually I think that is why nobody invaded China before!

 

[A1CBOZ]

There is a huge difference b/t patriotism and imperialism. The Iraq war is a war of imperialism. At the cost of many many Iraqi babies' lives, the Bush family and their friends have seen their bank accounts soar. In what way is the US safer today than before the spring of '03? In what way are the Iraqis better off? We have been lied to, and anyone who cared to be honest about it all knew we were being lied to before it began. The yes-men of the neo-conservatives (Limbaugh, Hannity and their followers etc) like to bring up this crap about honoring the soldiers, that we should support them while they are in harms way. That's just another fear tactic the people in power like to use as a smokescreen to advance their imperialist agendas. The question of 'supporting our troops' needs to be asked of them, why is it okay for them to send the brothers and sisters of the working class to kill Iraqis and to be put into harms way? How can that be considered patriotic in a war that is clearly not for defense? The imperialist argument is that the US needs to secure the free-flow of oil to the "advanced" (in what way?), industrialized, and "free" nations of the world. BS. The oil producing nations of the world need to sell their oil every bit as much as we need to buy it, the real question is who controls the profits of that oil, and the Bush family etc says that they have the biggest claim to that oil, control of the US military in effect means they (the Bush family etc) are the biggest mafia in the world. Rush Limbaugh et all go along with this non-sense in a blind act of 'patriotism.' Blood lust and greed, that's what this war is about, and the Bush family etc has shown that we (americans) are not the society we like to think we are. Of the people for the people by the people. You think so?

And about nothing to hide, nothing to worry about, that's plain non-sense. The point gets made before this question is even asked. It is a matter of principle that supposedly our government was founded upon, and is a principle that is meant to protect the citizens from the government and a government's inclination to abuse its power.

That was the longest winded way I have ever heard to say that you believe Bush is seeking to make America imperialistic. And if you believe that Bush is responsible for Imperialism you really need to read your History books. America has been an imperial power since the Spanish American war.
America invading Europe in WW2 or WW1 wasn't for defense, neither was Korea, or Veitnam. Going Back further, no war in American history has been for defense except The Revolution, The War of 1812, and the Civil War, and WW2 in the pacific. Thats it. So before you start attempting to bash bush, try and educate yourself

 

[Photi]

That was the longest winded way I have ever heard to say that you believe Bush is seeking to make America imperialistic. And if you believe that Bush is responsible for Imperialism you really need to read your History books. America has been an imperial power since the Spanish American war.
America invading Europe in WW2 or WW1 wasn't for defense, neither was Korea, or Veitnam. Going Back further, no war in American history has been for defense except The Revolution, The War of 1812, and the Civil War. Thats it. So before you start attempting to bash bush, try and educate yourself

You don't need to lecture me about imperialism and about my ignorance, yet another smokescreen used as a diversionary tactic to take focus away from what is at hand. what is at hand is a war of imperialism, not defense, benefitting only a very few. the sooner we as a nation own up to that, the sooner we can actually start talking about how to get out of this mess. saying things like 'support our troops, don't criticize et' is used to cause fear and to take our focus away from this discussion, a discussion that we as a nation really need to have. and yes, that means looking at our imperialist past, but that also means not allowing ourselves to use our imperialist past to justify our imperialist present. the history of mankind, beginning with Sumeria, is one of imperialism. have we not advanced ourselves since then?

 

[A1CBOZ]

the history of mankind, beginning with Sumeria, is one of imperialism. have we not advanced ourselves since then?

umm.. no.... if it wasn't for imperialism, there would be no war. And seeing as there hasn't been a single year since WW1 that there hasn't been some kind of war somewhere in the world, it is obvious that mankind never will get past it.

 

[A1CBOZ]

You don't need to lecture me about imperialism and about my ignorance, yet another smokescreen used as a diversionary tactic to take focus away from what is at hand. what is at hand is a war of imperialism, not defense, benefitting only a very few. the sooner we as a nation own up to that, the sooner we can actually start talking about how to get out of this mess. saying things like 'support our troops, don't criticize et' is used to cause fear and to take our focus away from this discussion, a discussion that we as a nation really need to have.

How is that causing fear in anyone? It may make them feel bad and realize what a jackass move it is to be critical of troops that can't even control where they are sent, but not cause fear.

 

[Arlborn]

umm.. no.... if it wasn't for imperialism, there would be no war. And seeing as there hasn't been a single year since WW1 that there hasn't been some kind of war somewhere in the world, it is obvious that mankind never will get past it.

Most of the people using slaves one day said/thought they would never live without slaves...
Abolition of slavery in each one of the countries it happened were met with hostilities by many, but it happened anyway.

All I mean is, do not try to foresee the future, many thought they could before you, but they couldn't
Why, we could all die by tomorrow.

 

[A1CBOZ]

Most of the people using slaves one day said/thought they would never live without slaves...
Abolition of slavery in each one of the countries it happened were met with hostilities by many, but it happened anyway.

All I mean is, do not try to foresee the future, many thought they could before you, but they couldn't
Why, we could all die by tomorrow.

I know that noone can see the future, but the fact that wars have steadily gotten more frequent everywhere in the world is a good indicator that humanity is still nothing more than cavemen throwing stones at each other.

 

[toft]

That was the longest winded way I have ever heard to say that you believe Bush is seeking to make America imperialistic. And if you believe that Bush is responsible for Imperialism you really need to read your History books. America has been an imperial power since the Spanish American war.
America invading Europe in WW2 or WW1 wasn't for defense, neither was Korea, or Veitnam. Going Back further, no war in American history has been for defense except The Revolution, The War of 1812, and the Civil War, and WW2 in the pacific. Thats it. So before you start attempting to bash bush, try and educate yourself

Wether you call it defence or offence, the US has never done anything without having something to gain. Even though the US lacks history, the history of its support to some groups and suddenly cutting relationship with these, is certainly getting back ten-fold now. Too many shortterm decisions, and too few longterm. But I guess nothing wins an election, like a good old war

 

[Photi]

How is that causing fear in anyone? It may make them feel bad and realize what a jackass move it is to be critical of troops that can't even control where they are sent, but not cause fear.

it causes fear by in effect saying to criticize the war is to be against our troops, who in the main come from middle and working class america. we are afraid of that, of thinking in a way that might bring them harm, and so much of america doesn't want to criticize the war for fear of what that will do to the troops, because these troops are our family. no one wants to think that their son or their niece or their cousin died in vain. so we as a nation are afraid to face what in the end may be the truth, that this is a war of imperialism, not a war of self-defense. we were sold on that by bush, that we had somehting to fear from saddam, and that this war is a war of pre-emptive self-defense. if we as a nation were accustomed to speaking candidly about our imperialist ways, that lie would have never held water. so they the imperialists keep the fear up so we the nation never discover that we here in the present are imperialists. we don't like to think of ourselves as the enemy.