Adamb0mb
Lawless
An ignoramus? I've never heard Hawking called an ignoramus before, anything to back that up?
Ben Stein's new movie about Intelligent Design (tm)
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An ignoramus? I've never heard Hawking called an ignoramus before, anything to back that up?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
The start was brilliant: "I made a movie".
If he's serious .... and he might be, he's being a little dishonest. If you can't answer the questions you demand answering, then your theory is just as plausible as you believe evolution to be right?
Where's the level of proof he asks (and doesn't believe) of evolution for intelligent design? Show me. If you don't merely try to ridicule the theory you do not believe in because there is no proof accoording to you, you should be just as critical of the theory you support.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yzgBj8deKE&feature=related
Right at the start he shows what he knows about evolution.
If he's serious .... and he might be, he's being a little dishonest. If you can't answer the questions you demand answering, then your theory is just as plausible as you believe evolution to be right?
Where's the level of proof he asks (and doesn't believe) of evolution for intelligent design? Show me. If you don't merely try to ridicule the theory you do not believe in because there is no proof accoording to you, you should be just as critical of the theory you support.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yzgBj8deKE&feature=related
Right at the start he shows what he knows about evolution.
Adamb0mb
Lawless
I guess the saddest part is that Ben Stein is smart enough to make a truly elegant argument for intelligent design and utterly fails.
Ecofarm
Deity
Guys, he was kidding.
Noone with an IQ of 187 (pretty much max) frequents CFC. Gaurenteed.
There is no 280.
Hawking is working on Einstiens unifying theory. The 5th force = string theory. He is the leading theoretical physicist of our time.
http://www.askipedia.com/askipedia-article-009001-1084.htm
Living people:
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Me? 134
Adamb0mb
Lawless
thanks for exposing my IQ 
My physicist friends's tutors don't rate Hawking too highly, but that may just be down to rivalry.
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Hawkins is subject to interference from mini-cabs and wireless internet. So, we better be carefull to take his word for granted.
Funny thing is that I can ask 10 questions similar to what Stein "asked" in the trailer and get the same answer as the "teacher" gave. Except that I can ask them about religion. Stein is nothing but some random person who misunderstands science.
More likely he referring to Darwinists more than Darwinism itself ( as well as evolution) in this case since the film " The Privileged Planet" was heavily attacked by the Darwinist even though it had nothing to do with evolution nor biology. Also here in America it's not uncommon to have the school biology books include "origin of life" with evolution which is what Ben is dealing with.
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
Eh, sorry, that was a typo. My IQ is 157. Of course, I also have Aspergher's syndrome, which elevates it somewhat without actually making me generally smarter. Or at least that's what it was last time I was tested. It fluctuates slightly depending on exactly what the questions are and how long it takes to answer them. I once only got 143.
And I assume you two were making fun of me, but no, AT and LF, I am not in MENSA or anything else. And starting a thread like that wouldn't do me any good, I'm basically just a pretty smart guy. There are many people on these boards that qualify for that, and probably quite a few who are smarter than I am.
As for Hawking, calling him an ignoramus was hyperbole, but he is considered to be below average in the world of physics. I think it was in 2003 that a thousand physicists around the world were asked to compile their lists of the top 200 physicists of the 20th century, and he wasn't even considered by most. I think he made three of the lists. I'll try and find them, but I'm not sure if they were ever published online.
Hawking has only produced one major theory in his lifetime, his famous black hole theory, which has since been proven wrong. He became famous on the back of it, but its failure and rejection by the theoretical physics community garnered a lot less attention than the initial hysteria over such a controversial theory to begin with, so he's still lauded by the general public.
And I assume you two were making fun of me, but no, AT and LF, I am not in MENSA or anything else. And starting a thread like that wouldn't do me any good, I'm basically just a pretty smart guy. There are many people on these boards that qualify for that, and probably quite a few who are smarter than I am.
As for Hawking, calling him an ignoramus was hyperbole, but he is considered to be below average in the world of physics. I think it was in 2003 that a thousand physicists around the world were asked to compile their lists of the top 200 physicists of the 20th century, and he wasn't even considered by most. I think he made three of the lists. I'll try and find them, but I'm not sure if they were ever published online.
Hawking has only produced one major theory in his lifetime, his famous black hole theory, which has since been proven wrong. He became famous on the back of it, but its failure and rejection by the theoretical physics community garnered a lot less attention than the initial hysteria over such a controversial theory to begin with, so he's still lauded by the general public.
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
I'm surprised that any serious biology book would lump evolution with the origin of life. Darwin's
major contribution was his Theory of Natural Selection which describes the mechanisms by which
all life evolves in response to its environment. Which had already been observed to some extent
by the botanist, Joseph Banks. Darwin considered himself a Christian and had little comment on
the possible origins of life. That many "Darwinists" like Huxley expanded on his theory to include
the cruder implications like "survival of the fittest" takes nothing away from Darwins' thesis and
does not address the question of "origins" at all. IMHO
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
Darwin did consider himself a Christian when he was younger, but he later "converted" to agnosticism.I'm surprised that any serious biology book would lump evolution with the origin of life. Darwin's
major contribution was his Theory of Natural Selection which describes the mechanisms by which
all life evolves in response to its environment. Which had already been observed to some extent
by the botanist, Joseph Banks. Darwin considered himself a Christian and had little comment on
the possible origins of life. That many "Darwinists" like Huxley expanded on his theory to include
the cruder implications like "survival of the fittest" takes nothing away from Darwins' thesis and
does not address the question of "origins" at all. IMHO
QuoVadisNation
keeping your angel alive
He's not only butchering 'darwinism', but this Ben Stein is also pretty much butchering the first amendment. Ben Stein is a smart guy (I think?), but part of me believes that Ben Stein is doing this all on purpose in order to get some money to compensate for his lack of key roles in "Red eye" commercials.
Ecofarm,
I wouldn't worry that your 134 stacks up poorly with some of those people on that list. Since IQ was developed in the 20th Century, it's not entirely clear to me how they can determine with such precision the scores for people like Baruch Spinoza or Thomas Hobbes.
Cleo
I wouldn't worry that your 134 stacks up poorly with some of those people on that list. Since IQ was developed in the 20th Century, it's not entirely clear to me how they can determine with such precision the scores for people like Baruch Spinoza or Thomas Hobbes.
Cleo
brennan
Argumentative Brit
News to me....
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
Particularly since it takes actual testing to come up with a proper result. You can theoretically diagnose some mental disorders by conjecturing from information that's been passed on, but IQ scores? Doubt it.
Stein has always been a hack of one sort or another, whether writing speeches for Nixon in the 70's, bashing Milken instead of Boesky in the 80's, or doing what he is doing today.
He's serious.
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