Ben Stein's new movie about Intelligent Design (tm)

[Trajan12]

This should make your day:

Yep, between creationism and intelligent design, some 60% of Americans believe that stuff, with only 30% "believing in" evolution. That survey was in The Economist recently. I've seen others that put the creation+ID number at 75%

For the purpose of my sanity I am forgetting that I just saw that.............

 

[mangxema]

We have seen it with much bigger animals. Dogs have changed radically during the last 150 years. I know that canine evolution is driven and controlled by humans but evolution in the wild is also fairly selective. If it works in a lab for big animals and it works for small ones it should probably work for bigger animals.

You're right. What I said was more a definite refutation of 'We've never seen it!' than an exhaustive list of what we have seen.

 

[LightFang]

Who is Ben Stein?

 

[Phlegmak]

That is very scary, but.. I just expected more from Ben Stein

Why did you think so highly of Stein? I saw a video clip of him saying that elected officials should never be removed from office. Saying that means that an elected official can get into office and commit any crimes he wants and not be removed. That's indirectly what he was saying because he was saying it in regard to the Spitzer resignation due to committing crimes.

I found it:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/16/stein-on-spitzer-elections-are-more-important-than-hookers/

 

[skadistic]

Who is Ben Stein?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein

Hes actually a very accomplished man.

 

[LightFang]

I might watch this film for kicks then, to see how far the mighty has fallen.

 

[Phlegmak]

http://expelledexposed.com/

Expelled "exposed".

 

[Gilder]

Who is Ben Stein?

You could win his money from him.

 

[Elrohir]

You're right, I just looked this up.

I used to love this guy! Any sort of credibility (ok, there was a lot of it) that this guy had is just.. gone.

Wait, he's wrong on one thing, and that means he has absolutely no credibility, about anything?

That's dumb. No credibility as a scientist - sure. No credibility about anything? That's a crazy standard.

 

[GoodGame]

This guy is a major supporter of it and writes literature on it besides teaching:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe

I'm not impressed with it myself. Feels like some dogma-oriented intellectuals feel evolution is a bunch of drivel and want to spout drivel back as revenge.

Can anyone explain to me what Intelligent Design is? Hopefully someone that believes in it? Like what scientific studies have been done to prove it?

 

[ParkCungHee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein

Hes actually a very accomplished man.

And he will be known best as "That guy with a really boring voice" upon his death.

 

[Supermath]

This should make your day:

Yep, between creationism and intelligent design, some 60% of Americans believe that stuff, with only 30% "believing in" evolution. That survey was in The Economist recently. I've seen others that put the creation+ID number at 75%

My problem is that I believe in two of those three. But that's just me.

 

[Alpine Trooper]

Goddamnit finkle, get my goddamn daughter out of school! also Ben stein is a fool.

 

[Adamb0mb]

Friggin "Darwinism" again?

Last time I heard the development of complex life over great lengths of time, through mutation and competition was refered to as "evolution." It's like they know they'd look silly combating "evolution" without evidence so they renamed it.

It's one of the more blatant strawmen out there: Evolution doesn't explain gravity or the origin of life so it is wrong in the things that it does try to explain.

 

[Ecofarm]

I find it very hard to believe Stein is serious. The guy is technically a genius (IQ) and wrote speeches for Nixon. He was practically a prodigy, graduating at some ridiculous age from Ivy (IIRC).

He really is (was?) brilliant.

Either he is pulling one over on the audience, or he has lost his mind.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I find it very hard to believe Stein is serious. The guy is technically a genius (IQ) and wrote speeches for Nixon. He was practically a prodigy, graduating at some ridiculous age from Ivy (IIRC).

He really is (was?) brilliant.

Either he is pulling one over on the audience, or he has lost his mind.

I have seen lots of people who can be extremely intelligent or incredibly stupid, depending on what they're talking about.

 

[WillJ]

It's obvious he's not serious. I mean, believing in intelligent design is one thing (smart people can believe it), but saying evolution relates to the motion of the planets? Only an illiterate could think that, which Ben Stein certainly isn't.

 

[Sharwood]

I find it very hard to believe Stein is serious. The guy is technically a genius (IQ) and wrote speeches for Nixon. He was practically a prodigy, graduating at some ridiculous age from Ivy (IIRC).

He really is (was?) brilliant.

Either he is pulling one over on the audience, or he has lost his mind.

IQs don't technically mean anything. I have an IQ of 187, yet I know a few people smarter than I am. Not many mind you, but some. And Stephen Hawking, the man widely considered the smartest man on earth, with an IQ of 280, is actually considered something of an ignoramus in the world of physics.

 

[Alpine Trooper]

IQs don't technically mean anything. I have an IQ of 187, yet I know a few people smarter than I am. Not many mind you, but some. And Stephen Hawking, the man widely considered the smartest man on earth, with an IQ of 280, is actually considered something of an ignoramus in the world of physics.

Sharwood, you should create an ASK A PERSON WITH AN IQ of 187 thread.

 

[LightFang]

IQs don't technically mean anything. I have an IQ of 187, yet I know a few people smarter than I am. Not many mind you, but some. And Stephen Hawking, the man widely considered the smartest man on earth, with an IQ of 280, is actually considered something of an ignoramus in the world of physics.

Oh wow, are you in MENSA? Or the Triple Nine Society?