best combo's and civ ironies

jn1009

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I just finished yet another game of civ, and I noticed some ironic things: there are not strat related but the next part is,, but i think they are funny.

when the arabs are militantly jewish, spreading judaism around the world.
when the egyptians build the parthanon and the greeks build the pyramids.
when america is a theocracy and the arabs are free religion
If you noticed anything funny post it in this thread. I like hearing about the oddities of Civ

Here are some of the best combos I have noticed:

Representation and caste system: tons of specialists, each with +3 science

The oracle and Pyramids: this lets you get caste system from COL and representation, so you can have the above combo by 1500 BC.

The parthanon and pacifism: both give great people bonus' so you get tons of um in all your cities.

The sistine chapel + Representation: super specialists, each gives +2 culture, and +3 science plus thier normal bonus'.

The statue of liberty + Mercantalism: 2 free specialists in each city.

The colossus + The great lighthouse: coastal cities become gold farms

This goes with the one above, but it is obvious: in that city with colossus + great lighthouse, harbor and lighthouse

This ofcourse can be put all together and multiply the benefits:
early game build pyramids and oracle <easy to do on prince, harder at higher levels>. Civics:caste system, representation, mercantilism, pacifism.
Wonders: the 2 already mentioned, parthanon, sisteenth chapel, statue of liberty, Ankor Wat if you are going to use priests <I never do, so i skip this one>, Great library if you can get it, national epic, oxford univ.
This gives you 2 free specialists in every city, 150% GP rate in every city, 250% in the city with national epic, and + tons of science in one city <great library city> and no limit on scientists/merchants/priests from caste system, except food production. Each specialist gives you +2 culture, +3 science, +7.5GP points per turn <higher in city with national epic>, and thier normal bonus. The best part is lots of this can be done early. Some of the wonders are kinda late game.

You will notice that your science/commerce cities kick ass without having to cottage spam. Just farm spam.
With market/grocer/bank a merchant is producing serious cash + GPP + science and culture, more than a town or cottage and much earlier.
Science cities is where this really kicks ass. library/univ/academy/monastaries/lab/observitory <i usually build 4 academies or so, then just add the great scientists to cities. I get alot b/c i turn most of my specialists into scientists, sometimes merchants, but hardly ever priests> + the 3 extra science from representation gives you serious science from not many specialists, and they dont all have to be scientists, merchants are great, and the trade missions give serious cash in a pinch, especially early game. I like this b/c after early wars my economy takes a hit, and this lets me cut my tax rate, hire scientists and merchants, and still outpace the AI<prince/monarch> or keep up <above monarch> or beat other human players who rely on cottage spam or less specialist heavy strats. Also, since you dont have many cottages if someone pillages a developed town or something you dont have to wait the rediceliously long time for them to rebuild. Just plop a farm back and go.

If you miss a wonder or two its not that big of a deal, As long as you get the pyramids for representation you can still do most of this early.

Its much easier if you have great engineers, so build the pyramids in a production city with forge <pyramids before forge>, and as many of the following as possibble: the hagia sophia <just for the engineer GPP> hanging gardens, pentagon, 3 gorges dam, iron works, west point, factory. The problem is most of those <except hanging gardens, hagia sophia, and forge> are late game, and by that point you don't really need the great engineers. But if you have the pyramids/forge you should be decent on GPP for great engineers, but the hanging gardens helps alot, and if oyu get one before you need it to hurry prod for a different wonder, you can add it to the city to help build more faster.
Don't add to many specialists to your prod city, it sucks when the 5% change of generating a great scientist actually happens, and you want a great engineer. They are the hardest to generate.
If you have any other combo's I have missed please post um. I find that taking advantage of stuff like that, and heavily specializing my cities <science, prod or $$>, makes the game much better.

Sorry for the long post, I just think it may help some people. And if someone posts more combo's it will help me:)
 
Sistine chapel and mercantilism givesyou immedeately +2 culture in every newly founded or conquered city.
It`s like having the creative trait extra.
 
The Lardossen said:
What's funny about that. You think isn't?

It really really isn't. That's why you're allowed to be any religion you want. That's why it's in the constitution that you can be any religion you want, rather than being forced to follow the state religion, as in a theocracy.

One of the best things about America is the freedom of religion here.
 
Then why is Christianity taking over politics? If I am a follower of a religion that allows people to be gay or have an abortion, am I free in America? Because Christians wouldn't be gay or have a abortion anyway, so it's little use to force people to not do what they don't do in the first place.
 
The Lardossen said:
Then why is Christianity taking over politics?

Because Athiesm isn't the state religion. Go build more universities athiest monasteries to increase your Athiesm %.
 
The point of this game is to build your own unique civilization..if you do not build everything the same as the greeks did..then you wouldnt build the parthenon in real life anyways and maybe someone else would. Although, i do see the irony you are thinking of, but really if you think about it it isn't ironic..at all.
 
Some parts of it are ironic, some aren't as ironic.

The Muslum Arabs have been killing and persecuting Jews since the beginning of times, and in his game, they were forcing it upon other civilizations with military might.

That is the last thing that will ever happen in real life, unfortunately.
 
A recurrent double irony:
Isabella founds and Buddhism and pushes it with fervor.
1: Isabella was a Christian who expelled/killed scores of Muslims. Having her be Buddhist is just wrong.
2: Buddhism is completely imcompatable with holy war. Most religions have exceptions, but Siddhartha tought no killing at all, including self defence.
So we have a famed CHRISTIAN:twitch: leader sending a bunch of BUDDHISTS:twitch::twitch: to go KILL PEOPLE.:twitch::twitch::twitch: I am losing sanity fast.

Another irony: Kublai is aggressive/ creative.
So.. he likes to build things to destroy leter? Or destroy, then build?:crazyeye:

And finally: one can research future tech without discovering hunting. Fishing is required, though.:confused:

Very strange.
 
I doubt the game could be made too religious. They have introduced 7 religions and made it so each will act same way. I think a few people might start to complain if civ 4 portrayed a particular religion in a bad light implying the murder of thousand of people.

Games should not be political or opionated about historical events. If it was it would probably be a huge headache for firaxis. Even in the manual it is made clear why they have chosen this approach. page 69.

When a manual has a statement like this in a highlighted background you know its importance. You know how important religion is worldwide and what strong beliefs and feelings they invoke.

I like the civ 4 religious system. Simple and adds great gameplay options.
 
I have to to I find it very addictive to see history rewritten every game of civ IV that I play. It's quirkiness just adds to the fun of the game. I prefer it over a cut and dry Issy is always catholic, and Ghandi is always hindu. In my opinion is shows the intellegence of the game designers to approach the game this way. It livens it up, as well as as keeping things rather neutral. However im suprised with as many crazy people out there, that the AI additudes don't spark ratial tensions. Such as some decendents of Aztecs found in mexico somewhere starting boycotts against Civilization 4 for Montezuma's portrayal in this game *snicker*.
 
holy city,great light house, shrine and asromonyand 2 carvels (run thoecary)
this gives too effects spaerds religoin and explores the world
 
z1r0un said:
A recurrent double irony:
2: Buddhism is completely imcompatable with holy war. Most religions have exceptions, but Siddhartha tought no killing at all, including self defence.

Except that it hasn't actually stopped Buddhists from fighting wars for example, Sri Lanka's civil war with around 50,000 casualities which the Buddhist majority won. No religion that's had enough followers to even come close to qualifying as a civ religion actually practices nonviolence (though they all preach it to some degree).
 
I always laugh when I get threatened by Ghandi with war or when Saladin demands I give him pigs in tribute....I agree with the people who said that this makes the game more fun. If you want all the civilizations to have religions compatible to their origins Im sure that there is a mod out there and if not, then a mod maker who will crank one out to fit your needs.
 
I find the Saladin wants pigs bit hilarious :lol: Good job highlighting that irony.
 
drkodos said:
Catherine asking for horses works on several levels, for me. :lol:


You would make catherine ask for horses??? :eek: :eek:
 
pi-r8 said:
It really really isn't. That's why you're allowed to be any religion you want. That's why it's in the constitution that you can be any religion you want, rather than being forced to follow the state religion, as in a theocracy.

One of the best things about America is the freedom of religion here.

You know, when an American talks on about how great the country's freedoms are, onlookers from a number of countries tend to go along the lines of "...yes? We've got those here, and of course they're marvellous, but... what's with the fixation?"

That's my impression, at least.
 
this thread is doubled, and i already said so in the other (almost same name, and same OP) but i find it very ironic that :

- America is a civilization
- Washington is founded in 4000 BC
- New York is built before York (most of the games)

Off topic :
And about free religion in America, i'll believe it when i see a president taking up the office and saying "in Allah/buddha/whatever we trust".

Even in Europe, where free religion has been pushed a bit farther (no religious mentions in constitutions, no prayer at school, ...) there still is a corpus of laws built on christian rules (one of the most obvious example being the christmas day holyday).
 
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