Best Imperialist Leader

[Jerrymander]

Catherine, simply because of the sheer cheesiness of her traits.

 

[The Almighty dF]

I'm pleased to see the votes so spread out so far.
Everyone has at least vote, and although Julius is in the lead, he's not that far ahead.

 

[lymond]

As usual, I try to go against the grain and vote Joao. Although IMP is generally consider a weaker trait - at least for the humans - I think it marries quite well with EXP. One can get an empire up quickly with fast workers and settlers, which is good on any map. While Joao likes economics on the surface, the abundant workers can get up lots of cottages in the many cities - or farms and chopped libraries. Granted the UU/UB are universal, but I do think the Carrack is underrated except for the driest of maps. On another note, Joao is often someone you don't want as neighbor.

 

[madscientist]

On another note, Joao is often someone you don't want as neighbor.

Actually I consider him one of the most killable leaders in the game. Even if he expands I can rage a major war against him and still find Portugese settlers being escourted by swords.

 

[plasmacannon]

As usual, I try to go against the grain and vote Joao. Although IMP is generally consider a weaker trait - at least for the humans - I think it marries quite well with EXP. One can get an empire up quickly with fast workers and settlers, which is good on any map. While Joao likes economics on the surface, the abundant workers can get up lots of cottages in the many cities - or farms and chopped libraries. Granted the UU/UB are universal, but I do think the Carrack is underrated except for the driest of maps. On another note, Joao is often someone you don't want as neighbor.

I do.
I'll conquer him with my Praetorians!
and build Great Wonders in his former cities.

Augustus.

 

[babybluepants]

It's hard to objectively vote against Rome here. Personally, I haven't actually played Rome in a very long time (since I was a noble-level player probably).

I like Justinian and Catherine a whole lot. They are two of my favourites to play.

 

[shyuhe]

I love Catherine

It's been a long time since I played a Caesar game so I don't remember what praets are like any more Isn't the imperialistic trait basically useless for him since you're just going to use praets to grab cities instead of settlers?

 

[madscientist]

I love Catherine

It's been a long time since I played a Caesar game so I don't remember what praets are like any more Isn't the imperialistic trait basically useless for him since you're just going to use praets to grab cities instead of settlers?

Not if that early settler get's the iron first. The thing about JC is whether he expands peacefully with fast settlers or brutally with Prats he can afford the empire with ORG. JC is BIG! He's Roman afterall dammit!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I love Catherine

It's been a long time since I played a Caesar game so I don't remember what praets are like any more Isn't the imperialistic trait basically useless for him since you're just going to use praets to grab cities instead of settlers?

IMP/ORG is good fallback coverage if your early rush targets are impractical (PRO or especially high level mali/native america), you lack iron, or if you wind up isolated. If you DO go prats, you still gain a useful benefit from IMP as you pick between 5 xp units very early and a super medic.

 

[Ataxerxes]

I'm pleased to see the votes so spread out so far.
Everyone has at least vote, and although Julius is in the lead, he's not that far ahead.

Enjoy the discussion, but are you looking at the same results I'm looking at? At this time, Julius has 13 votes and the #2 Cathy, the REX Queen has 4 votes. Admittedly it's interesting that everyone has at least one vote, but this is pretty one-sided.

Hate to be boring, but I vote Julius. Organized is one of the best, if not the best trait, and it synergizes with both Imperialistic (REX and pay for it) and the Praetorian (after you run over a couple of others, you'll need the reduced maintenance. UB isn't much, but very few have everything.

 

[plasmacannon]

Enjoy the discussion, but are you looking at the same results I'm looking at? At this time, Julius has 13 votes and the #2 Cathy, the REX Queen has 4 votes. Admittedly it's interesting that everyone has at least one vote, but this is pretty one-sided.

Hate to be boring, but I vote Julius. Organized is one of the best, if not the best trait, and it synergizes with both Imperialistic (REX and pay for it) and the Praetorian (after you run over a couple of others, you'll need the reduced maintenance. UB isn't much, but very few have everything.

And, you don't think Augustus' Wonders won't be able to pay for cities, until, he too builds courthouses? TGL ? ToA ? Colossus ? Spiral Minaret ? and cottages, of course.
Plenty of early gold.
ORGs build courthouses faster, but, they won't get the wonders which are Augustus' bonus. Those Wonders gain him more Great People Points with in addition to their Forum.

I like ORG, and I like IND in some cases. Augustus and Huayna Capac are two of the best IND leaders. HC being #1.

I don't know how Cathy is up there, she doesn't have the cash flow to maintain healthy growth. No FIN, No ORG, No UB (for gold) nothing to pay for city maintenaince.
She is one that seems like she would have good traits, until, you use them, and can't afford to expand or upgrade units.

 

[madscientist]

She is one that seems like she would have good traits, until, you use them, and can't afford to expand or upgrade units.

Whip fast libraries, farm everything, run Scientists, work ocean/sea tiles. Play nice (no wars), target currency, and trade/trade/trade. Once she expands as much as she can, worry about bringing the science slider up with cottages. While more cities means more maintenace, it also means more trade route yield.

 

[Ataxerxes]

And, you don't think Augustus' Wonders won't be able to pay for cities, until, he too builds courthouses? TGL ? ToA ? Colossus ? Spiral Minaret ? and cottages, of course.
Plenty of early gold.
ORGs build courthouses faster, but, they won't get the wonders which are Augustus' bonus. Those Wonders gain him more Great People Points with in addition to their Forum.

I like ORG, and I like IND in some cases. Augustus and Huayna Capac are two of the best IND leaders. HC being #1.

Cheaper courthouses are less than half the benefit of Organized. Your maintenance for cities is less before courthouses (useful on Praet rampage) and it also effects Civics maintenance.

Eventually, Augustus' wonders will pay for themselves. Org will pay for it faster.

I agree on the two best IND leaders, but I have a question. How does Industrious fit Augustus better than other leaders?

 

[SuperSmash5]

This isn't a hard choice at all. Julius wins. Preats are game breaking.

 

[Jerrymander]

This isn't a hard choice at all. Julius wins. Preats are game breaking.

Augustus gets Praetorians, too.

 

[plasmacannon]

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Eventually, Augustus' wonders will pay for themselves. Org will pay for it faster.

I agree on the two best IND leaders, but I have a question. How does Industrious fit Augustus better than other leaders?

Because, he has the Forum +25% GPP to apply to his Wonders that generate GPP.
Unless, I am incorrect on how the math works on that.

He is the only IND leader with Praets, so, he can build wonders and conquer.

Once Augustus has build his wonders and courthouses, he will be stronger than Julius Caesar.
His forges will be built 1st. He will get the GLH and other gold producing wonders, where Julius will usually have to pass, as Julius will be expanding, building more settlements.
Augustus builds a few settlers, then, goes wonder crazy, then, conquers when his Praets become available.
Then, goes back to wonders like Spiral Minaret.
Heck, he could go build The Great Wall, and have the defensive version of Julius' IMP trait and get a Great Spy.

 

[Jerrymander]

Because, he has the Forum +25% GPP to apply to his Wonders that generate GPP.
Unless, I am incorrect on how the math works on that.

It works the same as any other +GPP bonus. It's not an overtly large bonus (if it were larger the Forum would be broken, probably) so it's mostly only useful in GPFarms.

 

[plasmacannon]

It works the same as any other +GPP bonus. It's not an overtly large bonus (if it were larger the Forum would be broken, probably) so it's mostly only useful in GPFarms.

ok, so, we can conclude:
UU: same
UB: same
+100% GGs: Same
Settlers built faster: Same

Sooner Lighthouses: Julius
Sooner Courthouses: Julius
Lower Civic Costs: Julius
Style of play: Expands earliy, attacks more to earn more GGs

Sooner Forges: Augustus
More Wonders: Augustus
More Great People: Augustus
Greater income after courthouses built: Augustus (from wonders that Julius missed)
Who will tech faster: Augustus from Great Library and gold Wonders permitting him to research at a Higher %age.
Style of play: builds wonders for their benefits, conquers mid and late game

Both will conquer neighbors, when, they have Praets.

 

[The Almighty dF]

ok, so, we can conclude:
UU: same
UB: same

Sooner Lighthouses: Julius
Sooner Courthouses: Julius
Lower Civic Costs: Julius
More Great Generals: Julius
Style of play: Expands earliy, attacks more to earn more GGs

Sooner Forges: Augustus
More Wonders: Augustus
More Great People: Augustus
Greater income after courthouses built: Augustus (from wonders that Julius missed)
Who will tech faster: Augustus from Great Library and gold Wonders permitting him to research at a Higher %age.
Style of play: builds wonders for their benefits, conquers mid and late game

Both will conquer neighbors, when, they have Praets.

"More Great Generals" is both, since both are Imp.

 

[madscientist]

Agustus also get's faster National Wonders than Julius even if Agustus never builds a World Wonder.