Bible Questions for Dr. Laura (This is good stuff)

[amadeus]

I believe in God, but sometimes I can't believe the Bible. Honestly, some passages just don't make sense.

You read one thing "thou shalt not steal" and then on the next page "thou must'th steal if survival'th be questioned" or something similar to that. Can't cite verbatim, but you know what I mean.

 

[knowltok2]

Originally posted by Scrimshaw


If I took some americans as slaves and Uncle sam wanted them back, my good buddy jean would probably throw me to the wolves to save "Our vast refrigerator"

All the more reason we should take it from you. You government won't even stand up for you.

That's alright though for awhile I'd have members of a semi hardworking nation working for me. Americans would make good slaves until I get bombed.

Rather decreases their value, don't you think?

Edit:Formatting

 

[FredLC]

Originally posted by Marlos
With the exception of one citation, all of the verses mentioned are from the Old Testament, and most are from the Mosaic Law (Exodus, Deuteronomy, Numbers, Leviticus). God gave the Mosaic Law to the nation of Israel as a basis for their self-rule.

Any Bible scholar worth his salt would tell you that Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law that had been given to Israel. Through his death, burial and resurrection, all can be saved in eternal life. Because of him we no longer need to follow all of the rules of ritual sacrifice, since he himself was sacrificed for the forgiveness of all of our sins.

I won't start any argument about faith - may every person have their own - but there's one topic, touched by your statement, that I always wanted to see cleared out:

How the heck "ritual sacrifice" redeem anyone? Why the hell killing, gore and blood wash out the "sins"? Why is that bloodthrust needed?

Wouldn't redemption make much more sense if it was just about a state of spirit, or mind?

Personally, I don't think that the fact of people dying (even Jesus, with a painfull death in a cross), will clear any acts of abuse (sins) that people have previously made.

So, what I want to know is: Why pain, suffering, death and sacrifice equals salvation?

 

[Dralix]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
One does agree with the sentiment that people should not use Biblical passages in isolation, and out of context.
One also agrees with the points put forth by Becka and Marlos.

But isn't that the very point of the "letter" to Dr. Laura? (I say that has to be a fake, but have no evidence to support my claim.)

Dr. Laura cites some passage to say that homosexuality is wrong. A listener (real or otherwise) then cites various other passages stating equally absurd things. Then some people come here and say that the quotes are taken out of context so as to twist their meaning. Do you not say the same about "homosexuality is an abomination"?

 

[floppa21]

I have looked and searched much for "God" in my life. I have come to the conclusion I will never find a satisfactory answer. If there is a God, I am afraid he is childish, selfish, and quite backwards. I would love to have a word with Him. But that doesn't happen nowadays... So my only choice is to have blind faith and I can't and won't do that. See you all in Hell my fellow CFCers minus Becka and Marlos.

 

[Dralix]

I'll save you a seat by the fire

 

[Supernaut]

Originally posted by Dralix


But isn't that the very point of the "letter" to Dr. Laura? (I say that has to be a fake, but have no evidence to support my claim.)

Dr. Laura cites some passage to say that homosexuality is wrong. A listener (real or otherwise) then cites various other passages stating equally absurd things. Then some people come here and say that the quotes are taken out of context so as to twist their meaning. Do you not say the same about "homosexuality is an abomination"?

Actually, no-one has said those quotes in the letter were taken out of context - it was napoleon's quotes which were partial and out of context, so Becka put him right. As I said previously, with the exception of the bits about sacrifice, that guy should have been living in that way if he wanted to be a good Jew.

 

[Becka]

Originally posted by FredLC
So, what I want to know is: Why pain, suffering, death and sacrifice equals salvation?

It's that something sinless took your place in death to atone for your sins.

 

[FredLC]

Originally posted by Becka
It's that something sinless took your place in death to atone for your sins.

Hmmm... that would give room to two conculsions:

1 - Dead babies would do the trick as well;

2 - If Jesus payed for all the sins in the world... did he end up in hell?

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by floppa21
I have looked and searched much for "God" in my life. I have come to the conclusion I will never find a satisfactory answer. If there is a God, I am afraid he is childish, selfish, and quite backwards. I would love to have a word with Him. But that doesn't happen nowadays... So my only choice is to have blind faith and I can't and won't do that. See you all in Hell my fellow CFCers minus Becka and Marlos.

I'd give him a poke in the eye to remind him what pain and
suffering are. I'll have some sticks & marshmallows buried with
me.

 

[Becka]

Originally posted by FredLC


Hmmm... that would give room to two conculsions:

1 - Dead babies would do the trick as well;

No. Humans are not sinless, even at birth.

2 - If Jesus payed for all the sins in the world... did he end up in hell?

No. He conquered death by His resurrection.

 

[FredLC]

Originally posted by Becka
No. Humans are not sinless, even at birth.

I will never get the concept of how can a newly born infant can be maculated.

No. He conquered death by His resurrection.

Than, nobody really payed for any sin. What's the use of convicting someone that can simply walk out of the jail?

 

[Dralix]

Originally posted by Supernaut


Actually, no-one has said those quotes in the letter were taken out of context - it was napoleon's quotes which were partial and out of context, so Becka put him right.

Well, no offense to Becka, but even taken in context, many of those passages don't sit well with me. But then again, I've never believed in following the bible literally.

Originally posted by Supernaut
As I said previously, with the exception of the bits about sacrifice, that guy should have been living in that way if he wanted to be a good Jew.

So then should Dr. Laura. But I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that she isn't, because it would be absurd.

So, speaking purely in terms of "being a good Jew" here ... if it is absurd to put your neighbour to death for working on the Sabbath, is it not then equally absurd that homosexuality is an abomination?

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Originally posted by Dralix


But isn't that the very point of the "letter" to Dr. Laura? (I say that has to be a fake, but have no evidence to support my claim.)

Dr. Laura cites some passage to say that homosexuality is wrong. A listener (real or otherwise) then cites various other passages stating equally absurd things. Then some people come here and say that the quotes are taken out of context so as to twist their meaning. Do you not say the same about "homosexuality is an abomination"?

As was later pointed out, one was referring to the later quotes taken out of context, and then later put into context.
I, of all people, do not give credence to the idiotic 'homosexuality is an abomination' argument. Tsk.

 

[Dralix]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade


As was later pointed out, one was referring to the later quotes taken out of context, and then later put into context.
I, of all people, do not give credence to the idiotic 'homosexuality is an abomination' argument. Tsk.

Please accept my most humble apologies.

 

[Becka]

Originally posted by FredLC
I will never get the concept of how can a newly born infant can be maculated.

I thought you should be happy we weren't sacrificing children at the alter.
The good thing about this "original sin" business from a secular staind point is that the Hebrews didn't sacrifice people.

Than, nobody really payed for any sin. What's the use of convicting someone that can simply walk out of the jail?

Ask a silly question....

 

[drake]

Dr Laura is a repressed lesbo. Willing to bet on it.

Screw the ignorant, hateful *****.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Originally posted by drake
Dr Laura is a repressed lesbo. Willing to bet on it.

Screw the ignorant, hateful *****.

I agree with the second point, but one doesn't subscribe to the point of view that because someone is against something, it must be because they secretly endorse it. It is like the silly argument that one is celibate because one can't get any...
Sillyness. They are just worthless excuses for human beings. They walk upright, and jabber, but the resemblence ends there.

 

[Supernaut]

Originally posted by Dralix


Well, no offense to Becka, but even taken in context, many of those passages don't sit well with me. But then again, I've never believed in following the bible literally.

So what's the problem?

Originally posted by Dralix


So then should Dr. Laura. But I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that she isn't, because it would be absurd.

So, speaking purely in terms of "being a good Jew" here ... if it is absurd to put your neighbour to death for working on the Sabbath, is it not then equally absurd that homosexuality is an abomination?

But who says it is absurd to kill a Sabbath breaker? You are making far too many assumptions here. Anway, you can only put him to death if he is a Jew, otherwise the Sabbath is irrelevant to him.

 

[drake]

Simon....you are aware the most vocal and biggest homophobes are in many case gay themselves right? Thats not something I made up.

Truthfully I could care less, it doesnt matter. She's a bich whether shes gay or not.