BirdNES 3: When Worlds Collide

I have sent messages to all previous players who have been active in the last couple of months to see if they want to continue. They will lose their "automatic" option if I don't hear by Friday. Thor, megaman and pennypacker have been dropped and their nations are now available.
 
If you need me to switch to one of the other red roles I will, but I am kinda attached. Could you resend the pm and if I sent orders those as well?
 
I am so back. Damn how did I miss this.

Did I send turn 3 orders? If not I need the information in the PM you sent for Turn 2.
You're good. I have your turn 3 orders.

If England is unavailable for me to rejoin your NES Bird, Scotland is second on my list now.:)
Noted.

Can you void my turn 3 orders? I think I'd like to change some stuff, and I'll resend them soon.
(don't worry it won't be that different, and I can leave them if you've already got that part of the update done)
OK

I've talked with Strategos and I'm good to go with Savoy.
Great

lurker's comment: Yui is still around. Probably afraid to show up cause he hasn't updated his NES, though.
Thanks.
 
Has anyone yet claimed Portugal? I'd be quite interested, but please still follow my Indian Orders...

Its hard to make my mind up until after this next update!
 
Gay..
 
I think I'll just makes things a tad bit simpler and claim Scotland. It'll be fun trying to get that income up a bit, among other things. :)
 
Portugal is back. And let's see how the new colony works...

EDIT: Would you mind sending my last orders back?
I will send them when I get home tonight.

I think I'll just makes things a tad bit simpler and claim Scotland. It'll be fun trying to get that income up a bit, among other things. :)
Good choice.

So do I have Delhi or not?
I do not expect carmen to return. Since I player in had is worth two in the bush, and I like your enthusiasm. I go ahead and give it to you.
 
I am going to finish the update based on the current player list and orders. The big holes going forward are The Pope, China, the Inka and England. If Fantasmo doesn't show, Austria will go to Agent89.
 
I'll like Genoa, but if you can find something a tad more interesting (close to war, mercenary force, or just more initiative) that is a trading based country, then I'll take it.
 
This, I think, is what the latest player list looks like as of Tuesday Afternoon. Let me know if I've got you wrong.

Secure claims:
Spain: Luckymoose
Brandenburg: Bombshoo
Milan: Germanicus12
Hungary: qoou
Ottoman Turks: Azale
Safavids: Kraznaya
Malacca Sultanate: Cynovolans
Songhai: Frozen in Ice
House of Lee: Alex944
Mughals: ~Darkening~
Ryukyu: Ninja Dude
Venice: spryllino
Japan: T_F
Florence: Lord Joakim
Naples: Kentharu
Moscow: das
Algiers: Oruc
France: The Strategos
Poland: Stuck in Pi
China: Abaddon
Aztecs: Adrogans
Savoy: Cull
Ethiopia: Yui108
Delhi Sultanate: Karalysia
Scotland: Matt0088
Portugal: Milarqui

I have notified each of these players and asked if they want to continue.

England: Andis-1
Pope: Banana Lee (will the Reformation reshape Europe?)
Bavaria: FlyingChicken
Gujarat: Espoir
Austria: Fantasmo
Genoa: Terrence888
Inka: Soldierchild (great opportunity! You are hidden until "discovered")
Huron Confederacy: Arian

Available now:

Vijayanagar:


New Players looking for nations, choices listed:
Agent 89: Austria

A few notes about the open nations:

Pope: the Pope has a special role in the game as the head of the Church and can be a powerful influence on all European nations. It is a diplomatic and intrigue role with little nation building or warfare expectations. The Reformation is on the horizon (or is it?) and the religious fate of Europe is in the hands of the Pope.
England: On the periphery of any European upheavals England is limited in its expansion onto the continent, but is well placed to get into the race to discover new lands.
Bavaria: Small nation with kingmaker potential. With strong alliances it could become a force to be reckoned with.
Gujarat: The Indian subcontinent is in turmoil and divided. opportunity knocks for the brave who can battle their way to supremacy. But the Europeans will arrive one day and all of the nations there must be prepared. For those nations who can achieve stability, the trading world is at your feet: east to China, west to Europe and into the heart of the unknown lands that lie beyond the edges of the world.
Genoa: If you can "dance under the elephants" that are France and Austria, you can build a great trading nation that spans the world.
Egypt: Lost a recent war and its richest lands have been absorbed by the Ottomans. It would be a challenge.
Ayutthaya: Well suited to the empire builder and those who want to build a trading nation in south Asia.
Kalmar Union:If the current Swedish unrest can be resolved and stability gained, Kalmar is well situated to dominate the northern Europe and open up new world colonies.
Korea: Threatened by both China and the Mongol, Korea may be a challenge, but good diplomacy could well allow it to expand far beyond its current borders at the expense of any or all of its neighbors.
Mongols: Currently expanding in an attempt to rebuilt the great empire of the past.
Teutonic Knights: In the middle of the action in Eastern Europe. Lots of friends and enemies all around. Expect to have to win your way to success on the battlefield.
Vijayanagar: A powerhouse of southern India poised either for conquest of the sub continent or trade with East Asia and around Africa to Europe.

The hidden nations of the new world are unknown. While some of the names are currently known, their locations and stats are not. These nations get private updates and maps. There are a variety of them awaiting the intrepid explorers of the civilized world. The Indigenous peoples of the world do no know their location relative to others, so until a known landmark shows up on both their map and the public maps, they wait and watch and wonder. There are lots of opportunities for creative players.
 
China is free!!!?!? Give me China!
 
China is free!!!?!? Give me China!
Dannydehz has not been around since mid July, so China is your Abby.

Vijay was doing well too!

I'll like Genoa, but if you can find something a tad more interesting (close to war, mercenary force, or just more initiative) that is a trading based country, then I'll take it.

England if Andis does not take it. Vijayanagar in Asia or the Kalmar Union if you want a tougher start.
 
Vijayanagar I guess, to keep away from European Bohemeths while I have little, but enough, spare time.

Can you tell me about the local countries? I can't really see the country names on the map.
 
Vijayanagar: A powerhouse of southern India poised either for conquest of the sub continent or trade with East Asia and around Africa to Europe.

At no point was Vijaynagar ever in a position to conquer the subcontinent. Ever. Of that I assure you.

Don't let its wealth, population or strategic position fool you. In the majority of Vijaynagar's tangles with the Gulbaraga Sultanate and its later Bahamani successor sultanates Vijaynagar was consistently defeated, it's army destroyed, land pillaged, and forced to pay tribute.

In fact there is an account of one of the Raya's (I think it was Rama Raya) of Vijaynagar whose name escapes me lamenting that very fact. He asks his councilors why despite having a wealthier land with many rich ports, despite his larger population, despite his larger army, that he has been defeated in his latest war and forced to pay tribute.

The reply is that the Sultanates have a large force of most excellent Muslim archers, they command a force of gunpowder artillery and musketmen (many imported from Central Asia which was famous for its cannons) lacked by Vijaynagar, and their superb cavalry is far superior to what Vijaynagar holds, who is by the way forced to import horses through Goa from Arab traders, and the port frequently switched hands between Vijaynagar and Bijapur before the Portugese finally established themselves in it. Also Vijaynagar commanders tended to err on the side of caution and restrained themselves from daring attacks while the more mobile Muslim forces and their commanders generally tended to be far more willing to take the offensive and launch risky attacks. The Vijaynagar forces would find themselves frequently being cut off by Muslim cavalry or having their camp attacked in a night assault or such similar situations. What often saved them from utter disaster was the sheer size of Vijaynagar armies which were quite massive numbering at least a 100,000 or more.

So in summation, while economics may appear to be on Vijaynagar's side don't make the mistake of thinking that translated into great military power. Vijaynagar in the majority of its wars was forced on the defensive, not the offense. And most of its wars was on a small scale, Vijaynagar never attempted grand conquests or advances, most fighting was restricted to a few key forts on the border like Raichur, and an area between the Krishna and Tungabadhra River known as the Doab.


Vijayanagar I guess, to keep away from European Bohemeths while I have little, but enough, spare time.

Another myth. At this point there was little to no gap with the Europeans, in fact the Indian kingdoms were more powerful. The Portuguese lost Goa several times to the forces of Bijapur, and had the Christians there massacred several times.

The Europeans will not be a serious existential threat to any Indian kingdom for several hundred years. The Indian kingdoms are wealthier, more populous, have larger armies, and so forth.

Any European trading posts that they will want to establish will need the permission of Indian kingdoms. Remember that British didn't take Bombay by force, it was leased to them by the Mughals, and a similar situation with the trading ports established in Bengal and so forth. If any Indian power at this point decides it no longer wants Europeans there's very little they could do about it.
 
To Mahmud Begada, Sultan of Gujarat

It is with deep disappointment that I discovered your last letter directed at my uncle Alam Khan conspiring to commit treason with him as well as my brother Barabak Shah, seeking to supplant my rightful throne. I had always though of you as a fellow brother and ally, and yet you act with this treachery. This wounds my heart and fills me with a deep rage and sorrow. I shall never forget your action.

Nonetheless I am a forgiving man. I believe that the Holy Quaran commands us to be merciful and just. Be warned however, do not mistake my mercy for weakness. If I find future conspiracy against my throne by your design I shall shatter your armies, burn your cities, and sell your people into slavery to atone for their sins.

But let us set aside such unpleasantness. You have been waging war against the infidel Rajput and have asked our assistance. I cannot turn my back on a brother in need despite how he may have wronged me in the past.

Hence I shall dispatch an army commanded by my beloved uncle Alam Khan to aid your faltering armies and resume the march against the Rajput armies. May Allah grant us victory.

Signed,
Sikandar Lodhi, Sultan of Delhi
 
History does not have to repeat itself...
 
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